Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party

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Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party
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“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

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And Stein's answer every single time this comes up?

"What about Gaza?"

She is literally an operative for Russia and the Republicans. This isn't even a meme or conspiracy theory, it's simply a plain truth.

I don't understand how a genocide can be taken so lightly. Some people have trouble casting a vote for any political party that sponsors one.

I support the college protestors even when people say they're hurting the cause, but I would say Jill Stein definitely hurts the cause.

I think you're suggesting Trump would be worse than Harris for the cause. But my point is that a lot of people feel that voting for either is sanctioning genocide, and Stein fills that niche by condemning it. It's pretty low-hanging fruit for a politician.

I'm legitimately curious as to how college protestors could be hurting the cause.

I've given more details elsewhere, but the short version:

We can classify US presidential votes into three categories:

  1. Vote for the Democrat
  2. Vote for the Republican
  3. Vote third-party/independent or don't vote

The most effective vote to make on an anti-genocide platform is #1.

Voting for a Republican is voting for a party that appears to be profoundly okay with the genocide in Gaza AND wants to start some genocides of their own (e.g. against trans folks, immigrants and racial minorities). This is the most pro-genocide vote.

Voting for a Democrat is voting for a party that has a fairly significant group that opposes the genocide, and which appears to be movable on the topic.

Any other vote is roughly equivalent to not voting. On the presidental front, there is no chance in this election that anyone other than a candidate from one of the main two parties is elected, and that's also true for most senate or house races. (Possibly all, but I don't want to make that strong claim since I haven't actually researched all the races.) Voting for a candidate who you know won't win is explicitly choosing not to have a say between the tho feasible candidates.

I do have one caveat though...

If you live in West Virginia for example, it's a bit more complex. There your choice is essentially "the Republican or not the Republican," so third-party/independent moves into category 1. However, then I'd argue that voting for the Democrat for president may still be the preferable response because if the Republican wins the electoral college but, (as has happened in every presidential election since 1990 except 2004) the Democrat still wins the popular vote, it further delegitimises the Republican's presidency and the electoral college.

Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!

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I know, it's like when Jews bring up the Holocaust all the time. So annoying!

Imagine being such a scumbag that you make fun of the Holocaust because you don't like a country that didn't exist in 1944. Or is it maybe the race of people you don't like

Right, making a joke about a past Holocaust is so much worse then implicitly endorsing one your own country is perpetrating right now.

So this is about Jews not Israelis. Got it. Glad the mask is off

No this is about how your righteous indignation about the Jewish Holocaust is complete BS because you refuse to speak out against one your letting happen now. You would have been a coward then as you are now.

Says the American, who has genocided half the world without an apology. Your people genocided mine and called us all sorts of names. Now you've moved on and want to take the moral high ground while there's a line of bodies and blood behind you

I was against those genocides too. The Zionist brain is so diseased that they really believe they can justify genocide by saying "Not fair, you did it too!" Ahahahah

Your brain is so diseased you call people Zionists without any meaning. I guess you may as well throw every person of color you don't like today into the batch right? Throw the baby out with the bath water.

lol you guys give in to propaganda so fucking easily

😂 🤡

The ronald dump supporter thinks other people are the ones vulnerable and susceptible to propaganda.

Pure fucking comedy.

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