But I have been recycling like they asked me too. Who's not doing their part? Oh wait ....
Recycling metals is good, especially aluminum. Recycling glass? Not bad. Recycling plastic? That is literally something the oil industry forced by having their resin codes look almost exactly like the recycling symbol. People understandingly confused the resin codes to mean it was recyclable and flooded recycling centers with plastic. So instead of throwing it in the garbage and telling people plastic is not recyclable, they did what they could to recycle it. Sorting and cleaning was a pain in the ass and made it not worth it...in the US. China was happy to accept it for a couple decades until a few years ago. Now most recycling centers only accept plastic with a reason code of 1 or 2. But people do not really check the number on the symbol. A lot of it is 5 which is not recyclable in the vast majority of places but people still toss that into recycling because they think it has the recycling symbol on it. So recycling centers have to sort that shit out and send it to the landfill. It is a massive waste of resources that the oil companies are fine with since people think they are doing their part.
Recycling in general though was not supposed to be a fix for climate change. While recycling things like aluminum is significantly more energy efficient than mining, the bigger issue there is the mine itself.
Recycling plastic is more so a lie fed by the plastic manufacturers.
Recycling does not have any impact on climate change and was never suggested to have any impact on climate change
I think that was the joke....
Ah if it is I missed it and I feel appropriately goofy
So why have I been wasting my time?!? Captain planet is an asshole
If we cure climate change tomorrow and do nothing about garbage/sustainability in packaging, we all still die - its just more disgusting.
Captain Planet focuses on the entirety of the environment, not just climate. That's why he whooshes bulldozers into the air in the Amazon.
We’re all dead no matter what. Climate change or not, humans don’t have a good ending.
Strong disagree.
Oh ok. What happens when the sun explodes? What happens when the universe collapses?
Go on keep strong disagreeing.
The universe "collapsing" has fallen largely out of favor as a theory. The sun isn't going to explode, at all.
What happens to stars when they run out of energy? They explode. You sound like you lack a science based education.
That is not accurate for all stars. Our star, for instance, is a yellow dwarf star (Type G Main Sequence). When it runs out of fuel it will briefly swell up as a red giant then collapse into a white dwarf. At no point will it explode because it simply lacks the mass for that type of chain reaction. We have a billion years before this happens, so can literally fly existing rockets elsewhere if need be. A billion years is a long time.
Tell me again about my science education lol
A 5 second Google search will present you that information in wiki.
The reason I am not impressed by your education is that after you spewed all of that you still can’t connect the dots.
When our sun dies we have no more energy. Earth turns into a brick of ice. Nothing will survive that.
Second of all when our sun “swells” it’s going to swallow up earth. If some how it doesn’t do that it will at the very least increase temperatures on earth to the point where nothing survives.
Humans are fucked no matter how you slice and dice it.
It seems you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Unfortunately for you there is absolutely no world where you are correct.
It won't swallow earth, but it will burn it. Even in your downplaying, you're still wrong.
In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers. If indeed all the models are correct and human-produced CO2 is causing global warming, it's not just "corporations" or "the rich" or just individuals, it's the whole of the machine of humanity hacking away at the tree branch they're sitting on, and we need to radically shift our energy production to eliminate greenhouse gas externalities, and ideally figure out, what's it called, CO2 sequestration or whatever, to bring it back to normal.
And to the degree we can't shift immediately, we shouldn't just be burning fossil fuels towards ends we don't even need, like dumb luxury goods or just driving in circles. It does come down to all of us as individuals - some of us have more power than others (yeah, more or less proportionally to wealth), but the buck has to stop somewhere.
Of course it is, but consumers generally don't make the decisions about resource procurement and manufacturing. They only drive the demand. However, demand is also heavily shaped by both the cultural zeitgeist as well as marketing, which is in turn funded by corporations.
So in effect, it all comes down to corporations.
Well - corporations are funded by everyone, under the legal framework of the ostensibly democratic government, to which extent it's not democratic, it's at the mercy of the population choosing to continue perpetuating its existence. My point here is that the entire thing is just humanity working in a self-destructive way, and even when there are power imbalances in practice, real power - think of it like potential energy in physics - is truly democratic.
Corporations are certainly NOT democratic. If anything, their corporate hierarchy of management and ownership is.. capitalist. It's a top-down structure that concentrates wealth in the ha ds of a few to the detriment of the workers, always resulting in class conflict.
Democracies allow them to exist because it's the only efficient way for civilians to organize profitable industry.
That's...not what I wrote.
"In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers."
That's odd. Why do you think you feel that way?
Which should be our government. But we're too busy trying to prevent fascism and climate change denial as a whole to affect how much we're doing about climate change.
We need bigger changes now. For instance, we need to take aggressive military action against anyone burning bunker fuel on the ocean, and that needs to happen soon.
But I have been recycling like they asked me too. Who's not doing their part? Oh wait ....
Recycling metals is good, especially aluminum. Recycling glass? Not bad. Recycling plastic? That is literally something the oil industry forced by having their resin codes look almost exactly like the recycling symbol. People understandingly confused the resin codes to mean it was recyclable and flooded recycling centers with plastic. So instead of throwing it in the garbage and telling people plastic is not recyclable, they did what they could to recycle it. Sorting and cleaning was a pain in the ass and made it not worth it...in the US. China was happy to accept it for a couple decades until a few years ago. Now most recycling centers only accept plastic with a reason code of 1 or 2. But people do not really check the number on the symbol. A lot of it is 5 which is not recyclable in the vast majority of places but people still toss that into recycling because they think it has the recycling symbol on it. So recycling centers have to sort that shit out and send it to the landfill. It is a massive waste of resources that the oil companies are fine with since people think they are doing their part.
Recycling in general though was not supposed to be a fix for climate change. While recycling things like aluminum is significantly more energy efficient than mining, the bigger issue there is the mine itself.
Recycling plastic is more so a lie fed by the plastic manufacturers.
Recycling does not have any impact on climate change and was never suggested to have any impact on climate change
I think that was the joke....
Ah if it is I missed it and I feel appropriately goofy
So why have I been wasting my time?!? Captain planet is an asshole
If we cure climate change tomorrow and do nothing about garbage/sustainability in packaging, we all still die - its just more disgusting.
Captain Planet focuses on the entirety of the environment, not just climate. That's why he whooshes bulldozers into the air in the Amazon.
We’re all dead no matter what. Climate change or not, humans don’t have a good ending.
Strong disagree.
Oh ok. What happens when the sun explodes? What happens when the universe collapses?
Go on keep strong disagreeing.
The universe "collapsing" has fallen largely out of favor as a theory. The sun isn't going to explode, at all.
What happens to stars when they run out of energy? They explode. You sound like you lack a science based education.
That is not accurate for all stars. Our star, for instance, is a yellow dwarf star (Type G Main Sequence). When it runs out of fuel it will briefly swell up as a red giant then collapse into a white dwarf. At no point will it explode because it simply lacks the mass for that type of chain reaction. We have a billion years before this happens, so can literally fly existing rockets elsewhere if need be. A billion years is a long time.
Tell me again about my science education lol
A 5 second Google search will present you that information in wiki.
The reason I am not impressed by your education is that after you spewed all of that you still can’t connect the dots.
When our sun dies we have no more energy. Earth turns into a brick of ice. Nothing will survive that.
Second of all when our sun “swells” it’s going to swallow up earth. If some how it doesn’t do that it will at the very least increase temperatures on earth to the point where nothing survives.
Humans are fucked no matter how you slice and dice it.
It seems you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Unfortunately for you there is absolutely no world where you are correct.
It won't swallow earth, but it will burn it. Even in your downplaying, you're still wrong.
I think you lack a science-based education.
Sigh……
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God damnit, now you're gonna have me watching the enitre mini-saga again. You wanna be a tree? Cause if I had the power, you'd become a tree
I hate it here.
In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers. If indeed all the models are correct and human-produced CO2 is causing global warming, it's not just "corporations" or "the rich" or just individuals, it's the whole of the machine of humanity hacking away at the tree branch they're sitting on, and we need to radically shift our energy production to eliminate greenhouse gas externalities, and ideally figure out, what's it called, CO2 sequestration or whatever, to bring it back to normal.
And to the degree we can't shift immediately, we shouldn't just be burning fossil fuels towards ends we don't even need, like dumb luxury goods or just driving in circles. It does come down to all of us as individuals - some of us have more power than others (yeah, more or less proportionally to wealth), but the buck has to stop somewhere.
Of course it is, but consumers generally don't make the decisions about resource procurement and manufacturing. They only drive the demand. However, demand is also heavily shaped by both the cultural zeitgeist as well as marketing, which is in turn funded by corporations.
So in effect, it all comes down to corporations.
Well - corporations are funded by everyone, under the legal framework of the ostensibly democratic government, to which extent it's not democratic, it's at the mercy of the population choosing to continue perpetuating its existence. My point here is that the entire thing is just humanity working in a self-destructive way, and even when there are power imbalances in practice, real power - think of it like potential energy in physics - is truly democratic.
Corporations are certainly NOT democratic. If anything, their corporate hierarchy of management and ownership is.. capitalist. It's a top-down structure that concentrates wealth in the ha ds of a few to the detriment of the workers, always resulting in class conflict.
Democracies allow them to exist because it's the only efficient way for civilians to organize profitable industry.
That's...not what I wrote.
"In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers."
That's odd. Why do you think you feel that way?
Which should be our government. But we're too busy trying to prevent fascism and climate change denial as a whole to affect how much we're doing about climate change.
We need bigger changes now. For instance, we need to take aggressive military action against anyone burning bunker fuel on the ocean, and that needs to happen soon.