They’re not really much debate going on in this community. 95% of all posts are just “lol republican dumb Nazis” and every comment that’s not agreeing is downvoted to hell.
I mean, they typically are dumb nazis.
Perfectly proves my point.
This community is just “if you’re not “vote blue no matter who” you’re a dumb nazi”.
Since I don’t live in the States, I’m not voting blue. But I still think Republicans are dumb nazis.
Am I an outlier, or are objective facts tough for you to swallow?
Maybe you’ll find more friends on Truth Social 👋🏻
Maybe you’ll find more friends on Truth Social
As though that's far enough to the right for him.
You guys keep proving the point, over and over again.
The point, which will always be lost on you, is that we see no reason to engage, or take seriously, an ideology based on lies, hate, and oppression—one that cultivates division, stupidity, and has zero actual redeeming values that do not involve restricting human rights.
Nobody owes your archaic political views a platform. We—and I speak for the proudly 'woke' progressive leftists, who value the rights of others and believe in equality and diversity—are sick of your self-centred psychopathy.
There are plenty of platforms for you to circlejerk with feeble minded xenophobes while sucking off your grifting conservative overlords.
If you can't respect the rights of minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, then you have no value to me. You're either conning others or being conned. That's the extent of your "values."
You're all just weak, scared little children who have the same capacity for self-reflection as a fucking turnip.
Every argument is disingenuous; every political position is based on bad science and lies. And you still complain like whiney little bitches when you get shunned by the rational free-thinking majority.
Go and wipe that drool off your chin with your Pauline Hanson flag, you mouth-breathing regressive bogan Nazi.
Yes, point proven.
Teach me your ways of rhetoric senpai.
You’ve mistake me for a republican and or a conservative. I’m neither.
I’m against echo chambers and “my side and their views are right by default, all others are wrong” views. That’s what this community seems to be, unquestionably. Look at everything that’s posted - it’s all anti-republican/conservative.
Again - your entire post just proves my point.
I'm a leftist, and I'm "mistaken" for a republican all the time. It's projecting. A lot of what is accused of by my party they are guilty of themselves. They're crazy if they don't think their own rhetoric isn't just as bad or worse than what Republicans currently say.
The brainwashing into being able to dehumanize others is horrific. Yet here we are.
I’m a leftist, and I’m “mistaken” for a republican all the time.
The current "left" seems to be "as soon as you disagree with any of my points, you're a MAGA Trumper Republican Nazi".
You can be trying to fight climate change, want all people to have equal rights, be pushing for a UBI, supporting reparations for indigenous people, but the second you dare say "hey maybe we should just keep the books telling you how to have anal sex away from the 10 year olds?" you're instantly a nazi.
The only person you're fooling is yourself.
Also, "leftism" isn't a party.
And I'm not dehumanizing anyone. They're all human. Just very shitty versions.
Politics and vitriol aside, well done on winning the Ashes. The fifth test starting tomorrow should be a cracker.
Cheers. Pretty shitty way to win tbh. I hate draws in a sport where a match has gone for 5 bloody days.
What objective facts do you have that most/all Republicans are nazis?
Nazi = Fascist. Trump= Fascist. Trump= Republican. Republicans= Fascist. Republicans = Nazi. We can’t wait for the evidence of mass graves this time.
Think the issue is more with republicans than with the community
Again, proving the point.
There’s always some right wing snowflake whining yet adding nothing. We’re all doing our part. You’re doing yours. Maybe you can make a joke about identifying as a helicopter now, and you’ll be done for the rest of the year.
In most democracies you don't have the toxic two party split ala US. There are intelligent conservaties, but the Republican party is ... kinda wild.
You got it.
To be fair, the US GOP is dancing closer and closer to fascist nazism day by day
If Republicans ever quit doin' nazi shit, people will quit pointin' it out.
There's already too many places where disingenuous support for nazi shit is welcome: reddit, facebook, threads, bluesky, truth social, 4chan, twitter, youtube comments, and far too many more.
Not everywhere has to be, and I hope the mods won't be swayed by the constant insufferable whining of people who won't shut up about how unhappy they are that everywhere isn't stormfront.
REPUBLICANS ARE NAZIS!!!!
lol, you people are beyond reason.
places where disingenuous support for nazi shit is welcome: reddit,
LOL, lemmy is like /pol/ for Democrats.
If you like republicans doing nazi shit, you know where to find supportive communities. I listed a few.
If people stop moving the goalposts on what "litteral Nazi shit" is, you'd find that most Republicans aren't literal nazis. Are there some? Yes. Do they make up a significant amount? Not eve close.
I'd say cheering when someone suggests eradicating a vulnerable minority is nazi shit. I'd say marching with nazis is nazi shit. I'd say carrying a nazi flag is nazi shit.
Welcoming nazis into your party? That's nazi shit.
I’d say cheering when someone suggests eradicating a vulnerable minority is nazi shit.
Where is this happening? Firstly who is suggesting it, and secondly who is cheering it?
Michael Knowles advanced “eradicating” trans people at CPAC. And the people there cheered.
That’s taken completely out of context and you know it.
It’s not calling for trans people to be eradicated, it’s calling for the current trans ideologies, where if you’re a girl who likes trucks you must be trans and therefore must be rushed on to puberty blockers and get your breast removed, to be eradicated.
No one is calling for trans people to be eradicated as in “killed”. That’s what Nazis did - they literally killed people by the millions.
No one is suggesting or calling for a genocide. It’s not happening. It’s not going to happen. You’re just fear mongering to try and paint people you don’t like as Nazis.
I swear some of you want an actual genocide so you can go “see I told you!!!”
I call a spade a spade ♠️. Ask a trans person what they think Knowles meant. You won’t. Because you know what they’d say. And you don’t care , because you assert your ignorance as truth.
ask a crazy person what something normal means and you get a crazy response
Yes, that's true.
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If you're splitting hairs about what "eradicate" means, it says a lot about what you're happy to defend.
And why.
It’s not calling for trans people to be eradicated, it’s calling for the current trans ideologies
I'd say this is a distinction without a difference, since both involve eradication of trans people from public life, but the latter involves eradication of the very idea that trans people exist. That's worse.
You're being disingenuous. Then you move straight into the standard conservative bigoted lies which I'll not quote.
No one is calling for trans people to be eradicated as in “killed”.
They absolutely are. Don't insult people by expecting them to buy such hogwash.
technically the republican party is currently literally fascist, not literally nazi, although some republicans are indeed literal nazis.
Trump got 74 million votes. They’re Nazis. They may not know it or admit it, but they are. If you vote for fascism, you are a fascist. Giving people the benefit of the doubt or a second chance is what caused Trump in the first place. It can happen here.
Trump got 74 million votes. They’re Nazis.
So everyone that voted for trump is a Nazi? Everyone that voted for trump wants the jews and all non blonde hair blue eyed people to be rounded up and killed?
If you vote for fascism, you are a fascist.
You guys really are killing the meaning of these words. No party is promoting fascism. One party is promoting silencing their opponents though, which is a big element of fascism. Can you guess which one it is? Hint - not who you want it to be.
Giving people the benefit of the doubt or a second chance is what caused Trump in the first place.
Trump being elected was a combination of the democrats being so out of touch with the general population that they thought just paying millionaire celebrities to shill for Clinton would resonate with the average joe. They thought that neglecting half the population would work, while also demonizing them. The fact that trump got elected should tell you that the democrats were half the problem at least, because it got to the point that people would rather a terrible meme worthy business man with the worst wig and fake tan in the world be president than the competition.
The majority of people in here are just so completely clueless on how far gone they are in their bias, it's insane.
So you think it's important to distinguish between "eradicate transgenderism" and "eradicate transgender people". Because the second would be Nazis and the first is just Republicans.
And you really need that subtle difference.
Umberto Eco. Timothy Snyder. Fascism has been studied. MAGA meets the criteria. You conflated 2016 with 2020. Trump and MAGA couldn’t be classified as fascist in 2016. By 2020 it should have been obvious. 74 million said, “Give me more of that fascism.” The Nazis were fascist, therefore Trump is a Nazi. The people that voted for him, voted for fascism. Therefore, they are fascist. Logic, bro. I don’t like it. I have family that are fascist. I’m not going to wait for them to turn over my gay neighbors before calling them fascist. Learn what it is now, before it’s too late.
What “fascism” are people asking for? Actual examples that meet the definition of fascism please.
In your link, what criteria does "MAGA" meet? (I'll humour you and overlook the fact that "MAGA" is literally just a catchphrase for returning america to being "the (self proclaimed) greatest country on earth").
America has a 2 party system. Democrats and republicans. If you don't like the democrats and their policies and handling of the country, you vote republican. That doesn't mean you're a Nazi, and anyone suggesting it does is just telling people to ignore them and their crazy opinions.
Your logic is "I declare trump a fascist, therefore anyone that votes for him is a nazi". That's terrible, terrible, idiotic logic.
Also not really sure who declared Umberto Eco the expert on Fascism.
Learn to debate. The logic is sound. You just can’t hear it.
Eco literally grew up in Mussolini’s(the original) fascist Italy. He wrote the book on fascism. Literally.
The logic is not sound. The entire "logic" is based on wanting something to be fascism, so calling it fascism, and then using that same terrible "logic" to classify tens of millions of people as a nazi based on nothing other than wanting to call them nazis.
I guess I'll keep waiting for those actual examples that meet the definition of fascism, right? Surely you're going to list them, right?
Your ignorance is boring me. C’mon man. Give me something to convince me. At least give me doubts. The description of fascism is in the links. MAGA meets the criteria. Nazis were fascist. MAGA = Nazi. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. They are never going to declare themselves Fascist or Nazis. Would you?
Do people just not understand how unpopular opinions work?
This thread has a lively debate. That seems to be contrary to your characterization. I do understand why fascist propaganda and talking points don’t go over well here though. It’s probably upsetting to not get a lot of support.
This thread has a lively debate.
Not really. It's got a lot of one side screaming that people they have decided are nazis hate being called nazis though.
From where I'm sitting, it looks like Republicans pop in and whine that people keep calling them nazis for doin' nazi shit, and then act even more offended when people elaborate on exactly what sort of nazi shit that Republicans are doing.
There are a lot of non-US people bemoaning the name
I upvoted for controversy.
This community is limited to US politics only so I don't know what else you would expect.
I’d expect both sides to be allowed to be represented and discussed without shouting “fascist! Nazi!” on every post.
You just want people to do nazi shit without anyone callin' it nazi shit.
No, I want people to stop calling everyone they disagree with a nazi/fascist and simply shouting "YOURE A NAZI!" over and over instead of actually having a conversation.
You guys are doing your absolute best to make terms like nazi and fascist lose all meaning, just like you have already done with transphobe and bigot.
I pretty much reserve transphobic to posts that express transphobia or support for transphobia demagoguery and political parties.
Similarly with fascist.
I don’t understand why transphobic fascists get so upset when their transphobic fascist posts are criticized.
I don’t understand why transphobic fascists get so upset when their transphobic fascist posts are criticized.
The issue is when people, probably like yourself, incorrectly call things transphobia and fascism, while excusing your own side for their fascist tendencies (like silencing opposition, controlling narratives on social media, etc).
99% of what is called "transphobia" and "fascism" online these days is neither.
Person 1: "Drag queens shouldn't be allowed to perform sexually charged strip teases for children. It's inappropriate even if it was a straight white male doing a strip tease and acting that way."
Person 2: "Nazi! Fascist! Transphobe!"
The issue is when people, probably like yourself, incorrectly call things transphobia and fascism, while excusing your own side for their fascist tendencies (like silencing opposition, controlling narratives on social media, etc).
I'd say calling for the eradication of trans people is both transphobic and fascist.
And there it is. The lies and the fascist remedy all proudly posted.
And the misinformation is allowed because it's hateful.
You guys are doing your absolute best to make terms like nazi and fascist lose all meaning, just like you have already done with transphobe and bigot.
You get called nazi, fascist, transphobe, and bigot a lot, huh?
"Crowds. How do they work?!"
Start inviting your friends who like debating and/or upvoting disagreements. Otherwise a 10k user community will be subject to the particular whims of those users. It'd be the same if it were started and/or run by actual Nazis, but the other way around. Or lizard people. Or voodoo witch doctors. Or opera singers.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
It looks like people tried to be the change they wanted in this community earlier this morning but the mods just deleted all evidence.
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I brought this exact issue up with the moderators of c/politics and they dont care. In fact one of the moderators (yoBuckStopsHere) is the top poster of all the tabloid articles that have little to nothing to do with politics. Hes trying to curate a community that vilifies one particular party. Its sad.
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Speak of the devil. Are you here to spread lies that I "spam violent comments" or do you save that for just other communities? Perhaps youre here to delete more posts you dont agree with?
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Yeah this really should be c/democrats, or more specifically c/republicansarenazis
How about c/hindenburgs? Because right now it's full of fragile nazi gasbags.
They’re not really much debate going on in this community. 95% of all posts are just “lol republican dumb Nazis” and every comment that’s not agreeing is downvoted to hell.
I mean, they typically are dumb nazis.
Perfectly proves my point.
This community is just “if you’re not “vote blue no matter who” you’re a dumb nazi”.
Since I don’t live in the States, I’m not voting blue. But I still think Republicans are dumb nazis.
Am I an outlier, or are objective facts tough for you to swallow?
Maybe you’ll find more friends on Truth Social 👋🏻
As though that's far enough to the right for him.
You guys keep proving the point, over and over again.
The point, which will always be lost on you, is that we see no reason to engage, or take seriously, an ideology based on lies, hate, and oppression—one that cultivates division, stupidity, and has zero actual redeeming values that do not involve restricting human rights.
Nobody owes your archaic political views a platform. We—and I speak for the proudly 'woke' progressive leftists, who value the rights of others and believe in equality and diversity—are sick of your self-centred psychopathy.
There are plenty of platforms for you to circlejerk with feeble minded xenophobes while sucking off your grifting conservative overlords.
If you can't respect the rights of minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, then you have no value to me. You're either conning others or being conned. That's the extent of your "values."
You're all just weak, scared little children who have the same capacity for self-reflection as a fucking turnip.
Every argument is disingenuous; every political position is based on bad science and lies. And you still complain like whiney little bitches when you get shunned by the rational free-thinking majority.
Go and wipe that drool off your chin with your Pauline Hanson flag, you mouth-breathing regressive bogan Nazi.
Yes, point proven.
Teach me your ways of rhetoric senpai.
You’ve mistake me for a republican and or a conservative. I’m neither.
I’m against echo chambers and “my side and their views are right by default, all others are wrong” views. That’s what this community seems to be, unquestionably. Look at everything that’s posted - it’s all anti-republican/conservative.
Again - your entire post just proves my point.
I'm a leftist, and I'm "mistaken" for a republican all the time. It's projecting. A lot of what is accused of by my party they are guilty of themselves. They're crazy if they don't think their own rhetoric isn't just as bad or worse than what Republicans currently say.
The brainwashing into being able to dehumanize others is horrific. Yet here we are.
The current "left" seems to be "as soon as you disagree with any of my points, you're a MAGA Trumper Republican Nazi".
You can be trying to fight climate change, want all people to have equal rights, be pushing for a UBI, supporting reparations for indigenous people, but the second you dare say "hey maybe we should just keep the books telling you how to have anal sex away from the 10 year olds?" you're instantly a nazi.
The only person you're fooling is yourself.
Also, "leftism" isn't a party.
And I'm not dehumanizing anyone. They're all human. Just very shitty versions.
Politics and vitriol aside, well done on winning the Ashes. The fifth test starting tomorrow should be a cracker.
Cheers. Pretty shitty way to win tbh. I hate draws in a sport where a match has gone for 5 bloody days.
What objective facts do you have that most/all Republicans are nazis?
Nazi = Fascist. Trump= Fascist. Trump= Republican. Republicans= Fascist. Republicans = Nazi. We can’t wait for the evidence of mass graves this time.
Think the issue is more with republicans than with the community
Again, proving the point.
There’s always some right wing snowflake whining yet adding nothing. We’re all doing our part. You’re doing yours. Maybe you can make a joke about identifying as a helicopter now, and you’ll be done for the rest of the year.
In most democracies you don't have the toxic two party split ala US. There are intelligent conservaties, but the Republican party is ... kinda wild.
You got it.
To be fair, the US GOP is dancing closer and closer to fascist nazism day by day
If Republicans ever quit doin' nazi shit, people will quit pointin' it out.
There's already too many places where disingenuous support for nazi shit is welcome: reddit, facebook, threads, bluesky, truth social, 4chan, twitter, youtube comments, and far too many more.
Not everywhere has to be, and I hope the mods won't be swayed by the constant insufferable whining of people who won't shut up about how unhappy they are that everywhere isn't stormfront.
lol, you people are beyond reason.
LOL, lemmy is like /pol/ for Democrats.
If you like republicans doing nazi shit, you know where to find supportive communities. I listed a few.
If people stop moving the goalposts on what "litteral Nazi shit" is, you'd find that most Republicans aren't literal nazis. Are there some? Yes. Do they make up a significant amount? Not eve close.
I'd say cheering when someone suggests eradicating a vulnerable minority is nazi shit. I'd say marching with nazis is nazi shit. I'd say carrying a nazi flag is nazi shit.
Welcoming nazis into your party? That's nazi shit.
Where is this happening? Firstly who is suggesting it, and secondly who is cheering it?
Michael Knowles advanced “eradicating” trans people at CPAC. And the people there cheered.
That’s taken completely out of context and you know it.
It’s not calling for trans people to be eradicated, it’s calling for the current trans ideologies, where if you’re a girl who likes trucks you must be trans and therefore must be rushed on to puberty blockers and get your breast removed, to be eradicated.
No one is calling for trans people to be eradicated as in “killed”. That’s what Nazis did - they literally killed people by the millions.
“Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”. If we wait for them to explicitly express trans-genocide, it will be too late.
No one is suggesting or calling for a genocide. It’s not happening. It’s not going to happen. You’re just fear mongering to try and paint people you don’t like as Nazis.
I swear some of you want an actual genocide so you can go “see I told you!!!”
I call a spade a spade ♠️. Ask a trans person what they think Knowles meant. You won’t. Because you know what they’d say. And you don’t care , because you assert your ignorance as truth.
Yes, that's true.
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If you're splitting hairs about what "eradicate" means, it says a lot about what you're happy to defend.
And why.
I'd say this is a distinction without a difference, since both involve eradication of trans people from public life, but the latter involves eradication of the very idea that trans people exist. That's worse.
You're being disingenuous. Then you move straight into the standard conservative bigoted lies which I'll not quote.
They absolutely are. Don't insult people by expecting them to buy such hogwash.
technically the republican party is currently literally fascist, not literally nazi, although some republicans are indeed literal nazis.
Trump got 74 million votes. They’re Nazis. They may not know it or admit it, but they are. If you vote for fascism, you are a fascist. Giving people the benefit of the doubt or a second chance is what caused Trump in the first place. It can happen here.
So everyone that voted for trump is a Nazi? Everyone that voted for trump wants the jews and all non blonde hair blue eyed people to be rounded up and killed?
You guys really are killing the meaning of these words. No party is promoting fascism. One party is promoting silencing their opponents though, which is a big element of fascism. Can you guess which one it is? Hint - not who you want it to be.
Trump being elected was a combination of the democrats being so out of touch with the general population that they thought just paying millionaire celebrities to shill for Clinton would resonate with the average joe. They thought that neglecting half the population would work, while also demonizing them. The fact that trump got elected should tell you that the democrats were half the problem at least, because it got to the point that people would rather a terrible meme worthy business man with the worst wig and fake tan in the world be president than the competition.
The majority of people in here are just so completely clueless on how far gone they are in their bias, it's insane.
So you think it's important to distinguish between "eradicate transgenderism" and "eradicate transgender people". Because the second would be Nazis and the first is just Republicans.
And you really need that subtle difference.
Umberto Eco. Timothy Snyder. Fascism has been studied. MAGA meets the criteria. You conflated 2016 with 2020. Trump and MAGA couldn’t be classified as fascist in 2016. By 2020 it should have been obvious. 74 million said, “Give me more of that fascism.” The Nazis were fascist, therefore Trump is a Nazi. The people that voted for him, voted for fascism. Therefore, they are fascist. Logic, bro. I don’t like it. I have family that are fascist. I’m not going to wait for them to turn over my gay neighbors before calling them fascist. Learn what it is now, before it’s too late.
What “fascism” are people asking for? Actual examples that meet the definition of fascism please.
In your link, what criteria does "MAGA" meet? (I'll humour you and overlook the fact that "MAGA" is literally just a catchphrase for returning america to being "the (self proclaimed) greatest country on earth").
America has a 2 party system. Democrats and republicans. If you don't like the democrats and their policies and handling of the country, you vote republican. That doesn't mean you're a Nazi, and anyone suggesting it does is just telling people to ignore them and their crazy opinions.
Your logic is "I declare trump a fascist, therefore anyone that votes for him is a nazi". That's terrible, terrible, idiotic logic.
Also not really sure who declared Umberto Eco the expert on Fascism.
Learn to debate. The logic is sound. You just can’t hear it.
Eco literally grew up in Mussolini’s(the original) fascist Italy. He wrote the book on fascism. Literally.
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He wrote a book on fascism.
The logic is not sound. The entire "logic" is based on wanting something to be fascism, so calling it fascism, and then using that same terrible "logic" to classify tens of millions of people as a nazi based on nothing other than wanting to call them nazis.
I guess I'll keep waiting for those actual examples that meet the definition of fascism, right? Surely you're going to list them, right?
Your ignorance is boring me. C’mon man. Give me something to convince me. At least give me doubts. The description of fascism is in the links. MAGA meets the criteria. Nazis were fascist. MAGA = Nazi. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. They are never going to declare themselves Fascist or Nazis. Would you?
Do people just not understand how unpopular opinions work?
This thread has a lively debate. That seems to be contrary to your characterization. I do understand why fascist propaganda and talking points don’t go over well here though. It’s probably upsetting to not get a lot of support.
Not really. It's got a lot of one side screaming that people they have decided are nazis hate being called nazis though.
From where I'm sitting, it looks like Republicans pop in and whine that people keep calling them nazis for doin' nazi shit, and then act even more offended when people elaborate on exactly what sort of nazi shit that Republicans are doing.
There are a lot of non-US people bemoaning the name
I upvoted for controversy.
This community is limited to US politics only so I don't know what else you would expect.
I’d expect both sides to be allowed to be represented and discussed without shouting “fascist! Nazi!” on every post.
You just want people to do nazi shit without anyone callin' it nazi shit.
No, I want people to stop calling everyone they disagree with a nazi/fascist and simply shouting "YOURE A NAZI!" over and over instead of actually having a conversation.
You guys are doing your absolute best to make terms like nazi and fascist lose all meaning, just like you have already done with transphobe and bigot.
I pretty much reserve transphobic to posts that express transphobia or support for transphobia demagoguery and political parties.
Similarly with fascist.
I don’t understand why transphobic fascists get so upset when their transphobic fascist posts are criticized.
The issue is when people, probably like yourself, incorrectly call things transphobia and fascism, while excusing your own side for their fascist tendencies (like silencing opposition, controlling narratives on social media, etc).
99% of what is called "transphobia" and "fascism" online these days is neither.
Person 1: "Drag queens shouldn't be allowed to perform sexually charged strip teases for children. It's inappropriate even if it was a straight white male doing a strip tease and acting that way."
Person 2: "Nazi! Fascist! Transphobe!"
I'd say calling for the eradication of trans people is both transphobic and fascist.
And there it is. The lies and the fascist remedy all proudly posted.
And the misinformation is allowed because it's hateful.
You get called nazi, fascist, transphobe, and bigot a lot, huh?
"Crowds. How do they work?!"
Start inviting your friends who like debating and/or upvoting disagreements. Otherwise a 10k user community will be subject to the particular whims of those users. It'd be the same if it were started and/or run by actual Nazis, but the other way around. Or lizard people. Or voodoo witch doctors. Or opera singers.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
It looks like people tried to be the change they wanted in this community earlier this morning but the mods just deleted all evidence.
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I brought this exact issue up with the moderators of c/politics and they dont care. In fact one of the moderators (yoBuckStopsHere) is the top poster of all the tabloid articles that have little to nothing to do with politics. Hes trying to curate a community that vilifies one particular party. Its sad.
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Speak of the devil. Are you here to spread lies that I "spam violent comments" or do you save that for just other communities? Perhaps youre here to delete more posts you dont agree with?
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Yeah this really should be c/democrats, or more specifically c/republicansarenazis
How about c/hindenburgs? Because right now it's full of fragile nazi gasbags.