I want people to keep smoking because too many old people put a significant strain on the economy.
/s in case anyone needs it
Might actually be the case, some studies have suggested that smokers are much less expensive to society than nonsmokers because they die like 20 years younger
Die 20 years younger? Fuck, I should try smoking.
Can we ban the "hahaha I want to die" teenager edginess? It wasn't funny in the middle ages, it's not funny now.
Ban me yourself, coward.
Well those people are idiots with no idea about the immense expense of smoking-related diseases much more than making up for any savings society might get from decreased longevity.
It's not about society saving money, it's about the greed of big tobacco and the politicians they own.
"Smoking-related diseases" are just cancer and heart disease, mostly.
Apart from the fact that you just mentioned the two top non-acute causes of death, that's not even close to true.
I'm saying it's not like some weird esoteric thing that we don't see anywhere else in the medical industry. Heart disease from smoking isn't more expensive to treat than heart disease without smoking.
Smoking is the number one cause of preventable death bar none, and it causes a shitload of nonfatal diseases and complications too, all in all making it EXTREMELY expensive for any society to deal with on a large scale.
The dude above seems to think that Nicotine has no downsides and it's just tobacco that causes harm. He is stupid, don't spend long talking with him.
I mean, kind of? Nicotine is literally a natural pesticide, it's actually quite destructive towards everything it touches. Smoking causes dental issues, which cause far more disease than you'd expect. Also being unable to run up a flight of stairs without dying a little bit probably makes it worse.
Nicotine is literally a natural pesticide, it’s actually quite destructive towards everything it touches
That is absolutely not true lol
It's not even harmful at the levels present in cigarettes.
It's all the OTHER stuff in cigarettes that kills you.
If this were the case, vaping nicotine would have pretty much no downsides. Look man I smoke way too much, but saying nicotine isn't inherently problematic and unhealthy is stupid and it's cope. Nicotine itself is considered toxic, if it wasn't it would be prescribed off label all the time and we wouldn't have the need for things like Effexor that are pretty much just long lasting and non toxic nicotine.
Edit: do you ever think before you speak? Seriously, I keep seeing you say dumb shit that you get corrected on. You didn't respond to anything I said with any sort of information other than pop culture smoker's copium. You just said I was wrong with no source and no information. Nicotine's use in nature is pesticide, it is literally a poison. You talk with a ton of confidence for someone who isn't making any actual point than a "whell acktually" that is factually incorrect.
If this were the case, vaping nicotine would have pretty much no downsides.
Ooooh you're so close
I'll be back in a day or so to give you the facts.
Imagine you pay less taxes when you smoke cuz you'll die younger.
no it doesn't
Well one is a plant and one is chemicals. Educate yourself sweaty.
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i quit and i'm not going to start again cuz quitting was really hard, but smoking is fucking amazing if it weren't for the side effects.
that's just reality.
i'm still not sure quitting is going to be a net gain in years and quality of life with how much smoking helped regulate my mental health.
I started smoking as a teenager because I thought it would make me look cool and get girls.
And I was totally right.
I'm still a smoker, but I'm gonna be real. I don't think my lungs are the issue at this point, pretty sure the other drugs I take are gonna kill my liver before lung cancer is a concern 💀
What is happening here?
Vapes = bad for lungs, cigs = plant therefore it's healthy.
If you smoke one or two cigarettes a day, it's not too terrible.
The probem came from people smoking a pack a day or more, and yes, it's the kind of habit that tends to grow.
When big tobacco made the stuff plentiful enough that people could support pack-a-day (or even case-a-day) habits, the money was just too good not to defend by surpressing science.
As the fossil fuel revelations have shown, billionaires get desperat for money, and can't imagine deciding they have enough or sharing substantial portions of their wealth to change the world for the better.
In both sexes, smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in women. .
Reducing the number of cigarettes you smoke a day is a good first step. But, there is no safe level of smoking. The best thing you can do for your health is to stop smoking completely
Well there's really no safe level of anything. Literally everything you do increases your odds of dying. It's all about proportion. Breathing doesn't increase your odds of dying very much.
The conversation around nicotine is severely lacking in comparisons of scale. It's all like "IF YOU SMOKE LITERALLY ONE CIGARETTE YOU WILL DIE OF HORRIBLE CANCER" which is a ridiculous thing to be putting out there. I get the intent, it's because cigarettes are addictive and smoking one usually leads to smoking more, but it really makes it difficult to get a sense of how harmful cigarettes actually are at lower dosages.
That first study you linked was a good one in this regard, but the summary still couldn't help but tend towards "you smoke at all, you will die". A graph would be helpful.
Actually, I'll just make one.
There's safe levels of a lot of things
Sugar, nutmegs, magnesium, potassium, capsicin, salt, ... all of them becoming an issue if you go past your metabolism's limits
I think even cyanide has a safe quantity because it's in a lot of foods, but I can't find the source for it
I mean... Breathing doesn't increase your chance of dying, but not doing it will guarantee it. If you smoke, there is a good chance you will die from a horrible disease. That's the reality of it. With one cigarettes a day, smoking more will increase that chance.
Same for alcohol, lead and absestos btw - no safe quantity has been found for all those
Every amount has a measurable negative effect with precise enough measurements
Cigs are extremely useful for chron's and other such issues. Not healthy, but you have to understand there is a trade off for quality of life for some people. I could stop smoking, but I'm pretty sure I'd end up spending the extra 20 years I'd be alive as extra time on the toilet 🤷♀️
The studies are meant for the general case
advertising giving yourself cancer but Ironically™
I want people to keep smoking because too many old people put a significant strain on the economy.
/s in case anyone needs it
Might actually be the case, some studies have suggested that smokers are much less expensive to society than nonsmokers because they die like 20 years younger
Die 20 years younger? Fuck, I should try smoking.
Can we ban the "hahaha I want to die" teenager edginess? It wasn't funny in the middle ages, it's not funny now.
Ban me yourself, coward.
Well those people are idiots with no idea about the immense expense of smoking-related diseases much more than making up for any savings society might get from decreased longevity.
It's not about society saving money, it's about the greed of big tobacco and the politicians they own.
"Smoking-related diseases" are just cancer and heart disease, mostly.
Apart from the fact that you just mentioned the two top non-acute causes of death, that's not even close to true.
I'm saying it's not like some weird esoteric thing that we don't see anywhere else in the medical industry. Heart disease from smoking isn't more expensive to treat than heart disease without smoking.
Smoking is the number one cause of preventable death bar none, and it causes a shitload of nonfatal diseases and complications too, all in all making it EXTREMELY expensive for any society to deal with on a large scale.
The dude above seems to think that Nicotine has no downsides and it's just tobacco that causes harm. He is stupid, don't spend long talking with him.
I mean, kind of? Nicotine is literally a natural pesticide, it's actually quite destructive towards everything it touches. Smoking causes dental issues, which cause far more disease than you'd expect. Also being unable to run up a flight of stairs without dying a little bit probably makes it worse.
That is absolutely not true lol
It's not even harmful at the levels present in cigarettes.
It's all the OTHER stuff in cigarettes that kills you.
If this were the case, vaping nicotine would have pretty much no downsides. Look man I smoke way too much, but saying nicotine isn't inherently problematic and unhealthy is stupid and it's cope. Nicotine itself is considered toxic, if it wasn't it would be prescribed off label all the time and we wouldn't have the need for things like Effexor that are pretty much just long lasting and non toxic nicotine.
Edit: do you ever think before you speak? Seriously, I keep seeing you say dumb shit that you get corrected on. You didn't respond to anything I said with any sort of information other than pop culture smoker's copium. You just said I was wrong with no source and no information. Nicotine's use in nature is pesticide, it is literally a poison. You talk with a ton of confidence for someone who isn't making any actual point than a "whell acktually" that is factually incorrect.
Ooooh you're so close
I'll be back in a day or so to give you the facts.
Imagine you pay less taxes when you smoke cuz you'll die younger.
no it doesn't
Well one is a plant and one is chemicals. Educate yourself sweaty.
yeah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide\_moroides
Post one that really sucks at least. Btw, can you tell me how I can format a link into text like you just did?
[text](https://example.com)
also that's an interesting plant, thanks :3
It shows a 404 message. Probably because I use kbin. I'll find out one day. Thanks for your efforts and you're welcome.
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you put text in brackets, and then you put the link in parentheses
i quit and i'm not going to start again cuz quitting was really hard, but smoking is fucking amazing if it weren't for the side effects.
that's just reality.
i'm still not sure quitting is going to be a net gain in years and quality of life with how much smoking helped regulate my mental health.
I started smoking as a teenager because I thought it would make me look cool and get girls.
And I was totally right.
I'm still a smoker, but I'm gonna be real. I don't think my lungs are the issue at this point, pretty sure the other drugs I take are gonna kill my liver before lung cancer is a concern 💀
What is happening here?
Vapes = bad for lungs, cigs = plant therefore it's healthy.
If you smoke one or two cigarettes a day, it's not too terrible.
The probem came from people smoking a pack a day or more, and yes, it's the kind of habit that tends to grow.
When big tobacco made the stuff plentiful enough that people could support pack-a-day (or even case-a-day) habits, the money was just too good not to defend by surpressing science.
As the fossil fuel revelations have shown, billionaires get desperat for money, and can't imagine deciding they have enough or sharing substantial portions of their wealth to change the world for the better.
https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/5/315
In both sexes, smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in women. .
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/how-does-smoking-cause-cancer#:~:text=and%20other%20diseases.-,Reducing%20the%20number%20of%20cigarettes%20you%20smoke%20a%20day%20is,never%20too%20late%20to%20stop.
Reducing the number of cigarettes you smoke a day is a good first step. But, there is no safe level of smoking. The best thing you can do for your health is to stop smoking completely
Well there's really no safe level of anything. Literally everything you do increases your odds of dying. It's all about proportion. Breathing doesn't increase your odds of dying very much.
The conversation around nicotine is severely lacking in comparisons of scale. It's all like "IF YOU SMOKE LITERALLY ONE CIGARETTE YOU WILL DIE OF HORRIBLE CANCER" which is a ridiculous thing to be putting out there. I get the intent, it's because cigarettes are addictive and smoking one usually leads to smoking more, but it really makes it difficult to get a sense of how harmful cigarettes actually are at lower dosages.
That first study you linked was a good one in this regard, but the summary still couldn't help but tend towards "you smoke at all, you will die". A graph would be helpful.
Actually, I'll just make one.
There's safe levels of a lot of things
Sugar, nutmegs, magnesium, potassium, capsicin, salt, ... all of them becoming an issue if you go past your metabolism's limits
I think even cyanide has a safe quantity because it's in a lot of foods, but I can't find the source for it
I mean... Breathing doesn't increase your chance of dying, but not doing it will guarantee it. If you smoke, there is a good chance you will die from a horrible disease. That's the reality of it. With one cigarettes a day, smoking more will increase that chance.
Same for alcohol, lead and absestos btw - no safe quantity has been found for all those
Every amount has a measurable negative effect with precise enough measurements
Cigs are extremely useful for chron's and other such issues. Not healthy, but you have to understand there is a trade off for quality of life for some people. I could stop smoking, but I'm pretty sure I'd end up spending the extra 20 years I'd be alive as extra time on the toilet 🤷♀️
The studies are meant for the general case
advertising giving yourself cancer but Ironically™
bUT iT's NaTUrAL
I stand with big tobacco o7
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide\_moroides
Post one that really sucks at least. Btw, can you tell me how I can format a link into text like you just did?