Middle East Crisis: Blinken Calls Some Hamas Changes to Cease-Fire Proposal ‘Unacceptable’
nytimes.com
Speaking at a news conference in Doha, Qatar, alongside Qatar’s prime minister and minister of foreign affairs, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, Mr. Blinken said that “a deal was on the table that was virtually identical” to one that Hamas put forward on May 6.
At some point, he said, “you have to question whether they’re proceeding in good faith or not.”
Fuck Blinken and fuck the NYT
Fuck anyone that gives speeches at AIPAC and expects us to believe they're not bought off already
https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-the-2023-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-policy-summit/
Motherfuckers don't even try to deny that they've been bought off.
If you're mad conservatives buy off SC justices with trips and bribes, then you should be pissed off when other high level government officials are bought off.
And AIPAC buys a shit ton of government officials, regardless of party or anything else.
They just require complete dedication to Israel over everything else
Why is it hard to believe that the people who started this war don't actually want it to end
What?
I agree with that (except calling this genocide a war).
Israel started it decades ago, and openly keep saying they won't let it end until their genocide is finished.
They don't want it to end yet, because there's still Palestinians alive in Gaza.
Israel started it? Who was it that invaded the day after the British protectorate ended? Oh right, not Israel. Instead they got invaded by all of the neighbouring arab countries who didn't like the UN approved borders.
That's a weird place to start the clock...
Like, you understand that wasn't that long after that land was all Palestine and the people who had lived there for generations had just been forced out with violence?
That's like if you robbed someone but instead of leaving you just stayed in their house and made them live in the backyard for months while threatening them at gunpoint...
Then one day you sold the gun.
Would you be surprised the family took the opportunity to get their house back?
What do you expect that family to do if your brother was the Sheriff and the cops took your side?
What other starting point makes sense?
Jewish people had been there just as long as the Muslim population, they both have 1000+ year histories in that region.
The Ottoman empire (which controlled the region and a lot more) collapsed after WW1 due to a myriad of reasons, including losing the war. It was split up among some of the allied countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
Because that's what happens when you lose a war.
If we're talking about returning land that changed hands during/after WW1, there's going to be about a thousand more border changes than just for Israel. Massive swaths of Europe changed hands over that period.
Specifically, if you want Israel to hand land back, does that mean that Finland needs to be handed back to the Russians? They owned the country (and a bunch of other countries) prior to the end of WW1.
There hasn't been a sovereign and native state on that land since the Roman conquest of Judea lmfao
Nope, but there has been a native population, blood thirsty colonizer.
The land wasn't empty. You don't get to pretend it was.
So your position is that it's more legitimate for someone to live there because their ancestors moved there under the Ottomans rather than people whose ancestors lived there before the Romans and moved back under the British?
I don't give a fuck about any of that. What I care about is that the Jewish militias were happy to accept sharing the land with a Palestinian state, while the Palestinians decided that any possible Israeli state was unacceptable and declared war.
The entire conflict stems from their inability to accept peaceful coexistence.
Tell all that to the Irgun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun and Lehi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group).
Jesus, this is like the output from chatgpt with the input being "How can I communicate that I don't have knowledge about the history of the Levant without saying I know nothing about the history of the region"
Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your thirst for blood I guess
Says the individual trying to circumspectly justify genocide.
Any government intentionally withholding food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers undesirable is a government intentionally committing genocide.
Says the individual trying to pretend that this is a genocide and blaming the defender for the war lol
TIL allowing thousands of calories of food aid in per person per day is "withholding food"
Words don't mean anything any more. Up is down, black is white, and feeding civilians is genocide
Controlling the borders and allowing in thousands of calories when hundreds of thousands or millions of calories are needed for the population is in fact genocide.
It's not hard to understand unless you're intentionally trying to justify genocide.
Most genocidaires in history don't stop food completely, but let in a minimal amount of food to encourage infighting.
One person does not mean millions of calories per day, they need thousands. I believe the total food aid allowed into Gaza is around 3000 calories per person per day.
GeNoCiDe
Only if you believe the government caught lying multiple times in this war unconditionally.
Non-biased sources say that it is closer to 245 calories per day.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/people-northern-gaza-forced-survive-245-calories-day-less-can-beans-oxfam
Also, and this isn't about the conflict, but people arguing in good faith don't confuse per capita measurements with gross measurements and call the people making that point in one stupid for using those figures consistently. That just makes you an asshole.
ClEvEDaWnY
The math doesn't add up. If Gazans are receiving 245 calories a day and about half the food trucks they need, then either the former or the latter is incorrect. LMAO
But really, Gaza should have probably thought about how to feed their own populace before starting a war of aggression. It's not exactly Israel's job to feed a hostile populace which declared war on them. I'm simply glad that they're allowing food trucks in. It's better than most would have done and empowers their enemies.
It literally is for countries occupying other countries during a war.
That is a job of an occupying force that if it doesn't do is LITERALLY A WAR CRIME for exactly this reason.
The US, as bad as it was for what it did in the countries it invaded STILL didn't do this. Israel is looking for special treatment by not having to live up to this standard that other countries in combat have lived up to.
I guess I really shouldn't expect competence from a conscript army.
Northern Gaza, jackass. When you destroy distribution functions of a society, shit becomes non uniformly distributed.
Keep arguing with just utterly easy to show wrong responses based off of bad faith readings of what I'm saying, it makes my responses that much easier to write in an understandable format.
EDIT: Correction, I'm not wasting more time on a propaganda brained nationalist.
Once again, we have "propaganda is when someone disagrees with me"
They’re in too deep. It’s like the magas with trump. Scary stuff
What are the specific demands Hamas has made that Blinken finds unacceptable?
According to the reports, Secretary of State Antony Blinken finds some of Hamas's latest demands regarding the proposed cease-fire agreement unacceptable, though the specific demands are not explicitly stated. However, we can infer a few key sticking points from the information provided:
Hamas insists on a permanent cease-fire and complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza before releasing the remaining hostages, while Israel aims to dismantle Hamas's military capabilities first.[1]
Hamas fears that if it releases hostages during the initial six-week phase of the plan, Israel may resume hostilities once its most vulnerable captives are released.[1]
Hamas has rejected key elements of the UN-backed truce deal that Israel had previously agreed to.[5][3]
Hamas demands an end to the ongoing Israeli aggression and siege on Gaza as a precondition for entering into negotiations for a "complete agreement" that includes a comprehensive prisoner exchange deal.[5]
So while the specific unacceptable demands are not explicitly stated, Blinken seems to take issue with Hamas's insistence on permanent concessions upfront before any phased implementation, as well as their rejection of elements already agreed upon in the proposed deal.[1][3][5]
Citations: [1] Hamas Made Unacceptable Changes to Cease-Fire Plan, Blinken ... https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000009517335/blinken-gaza-israel-hamas-cease-fire.html [2] Blinken Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Hopes After Hamas Responds https://www.bloomberg.com/tosv2.html?url=L25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAyNC0wNi0xMi9ibGlua2VuLXNheXMtaGFtYXMtcy1jZWFzZS1maXJlLXJlc3BvbnNlLW1lYW5zLXdhci13aWxsLWNvbnRpbnVl&uuid=142470c8-28be-11ef-b9fe-c854ea576c23 [3] Hamas response to peace deal unworkable, warns Blinken https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/12/hamas-response-to-peace-deal-unworkable-warns-blinken/ [4] Blinken Says Hamas's Cease-Fire Response Means War Will ... https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/blinken-says-hamas-s-cease-fire-response-means-war-will-continue-1.2084228 [5] Hamas says it will not enter negotiations unless Israel stops war on ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/30/hamas-says-it-will-not-enter-negotiations-unless-israel-stops-war-on-gaza
Including the resolution text:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2735
Permanent vs temporary ceasefire isn't virtually identical lmao.
Oh cool, Blinken is sabotaging it so Bibi doesn't have to.
I’m sure it’s all terrible. That being said, Blinken in the thumbnail looks esoterically scrumptious.
I genuinely don't understand what Hamas gains by continuing this conflict.
Really?
You know the human rights abuses and land grabbing happened prior to 10/7, right?
And they want the permanent ceasefire so that it finally stops.
If it's not an internationally recognized permanent ceasefire, Israel is going right back to what they were doing prior to 10/7.
Anything else is just Hamas giving up every bargaining chip they have for no gain...
There is a permanent ceasefire in the plan that Hamas rejected.
That Israel rejected, I think you mean.
Did you read the article? We are here talking about the most promising permanent ceasefire, supported by Egypt, Qatar, USA, and the UN, which Israel has not ruled out. Hamas is now drastically changing the terms to sabotage the ceasefire. It makes no sense to me. They seem to have the most to gain by ending this conflict.
Did you read it?
They literally told us the other day. Palestinian deaths help hamas. The leader was all for it
Always ask yourself, "Where's the money coming from."
Hamas is not being funded by Palestinians. Palestinians are broke as fuck.
Hamas is being funded by neighboring countries, who want to eliminate Israel. The same reason those countries invaded Israel the day after the British protectorate ended.
Cough
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
Cough cough
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68318856
That's still "funded by neighboring countries"
The weapons Hamas is using were also smuggled in from neighboring countries as well. It's not like they bought them from the US or Israel.
Israel was already established a day after the British protectorate ended?
Yes.
Thanks for the link, it's important info. It seems like voting was interfered with, though. If you're wondering why the implementation looks nothing like the partition plan, it's because
To be precise, Israel declared independence a day before the British Mandate was over (under a portrait of Theodor Herzl), then proceeded to expel the Palestinians en masse. They also used chemical and biological warfare in their pogroms against Palestinians to steal their land.
What you believe is a fairy tale. You need to wake up because that fairy tale negates historical fact, human rights, and the rule of international law.
Yes, that was established the day the protectorate ended.
To be precise, Israel declared independence a day before the British Mandate was over (under a portrait of Theodor Herzl), then proceeded to expel the Palestinians en masse. They also used chemical and biological warfare in their pogroms against Palestinians to steal their land.
What you believe is a fairy tale. You need to wake up because that fairy tale negates historical fact, human rights, and the rule of international law.
The answer is that the more death and suffering they can cause to civilian Palestinians, the more they can drive a cultural wedge between Israel and the Arab nations. Their end goal here is to get a friendly government in, say, Egypt and then win a war to conquer Israel with that foreign support.
Riiight. I think your hat is on way too tight.
Might want to crawl up from that nationalist hole and take a breath of fresh air.
Thank you, I have been looking for this phrasing for a long time. As someone who rejects violence it's very difficult to find the words to tell someone that the reason they incorrectly think something is a certain way is because they are stupid. Just mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, shit-slinging dolts.
It seems to me there has recently been an influx of users who have their hats on way too tight.
Dude that's what they've said their goal is. Take your head out of your ass
Not a dood, asshole.
Okie dokie I guess
That's still what Hamas says their goals are lol
It's why they started this war. They wanted to head off Saudi normalization of relations with Israel
The wedge is already there, has been since the start. Our leaders are puppets, however, so it doesn’t matter.
Arab leaders are smart enough to know that attacking Israel would either lead to defeat or nuclear annihilation, and so, seek peace. Regardless of the wishes of the populace.