So, do Linux users not get the extra performance, or did they just not suffer a performance penalty to begin with?
Didn’t suffer the penalty to begin with
It was a Windows bug not an AMD problem
Linux was already faster
Swear to fucking god the same will happen for GPUs in the next 6-12 months.
EVERYWHERE I looked researching why my RTX 4090 was idling with maxed out mem clock @ 10000MHz not dropping a bit. All the forums, articles and Nvidia themselves gave super standard troubleshooting suggestions before just saying yeah those gpu's fuckin run spicy.
I underclocked, un-installed, reinstalled, ran it in other PC's, white washed my drivers, updated bios, flashed bios, pretty sure i biosed my bios, even used recommended windows retarded power throttling setting... fuckin nothing.
Finally during one of my "Fuck Microsoft" tantrums I started belligerently stripping every fucking Windows 11 service, software and apps that would let me. Full on preppared to nuke the whole fuckin PC, not just the OS.
No fucking clue what did it or where it was all I know was it was somewhere in the control panel memory settings/disk optimization-ish/file history/virtual memory area or at least felt like it was from around that before I started aggressively clicking delete one at a time for my entire file history cuz ya know file history has had a bug lasting thru 2 generations of windows now that won't let you batch delete old files history files. Either way fucker all of a sudden sounded slightly less fans at top seepdy sounding, checked to see if I was loosing it but sure as fuck it really was bringing the gpu back to normal.
Its been humming like a champ ever since. Idles at 5001 runs at 10000 range with curve optimizer. Was able to re-set everything up on a clean install using a local microsoft account, deleted my actual microsoft account, haven't updated a fucking thing, been running FOLON with 231 enabled mods on 195 plugins. OH and I forgot to mention how noone believ3d me at nvidia that the 4090 when initially bought was running just like this with no issues. Needless to say I'm in stage 2-1/2 of my migration to Linux. Idc if I'm dead wrong about this experience I will never go back to Windows for my erryday desidnated driver or use it more that the 3 pc games I usually play through any year. No internet single player screaming fallacies speech to text into copilot to ruin that cunt fucker and tell people I multi task while gaming.
Once I finally got it installed, Win 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC has been fine. The only real hitch was that I had a terrible time getting the graphics card drivers instsalled; kept getting a BSOD. But everything is running quite nicely.
As soon as I remember to get my other hard drives installed, it will be time to put the Adobe Creative Suite and Corel Painter X on it, and see how happy it is with those.
Win 11 Enterprise AND Adobe Creative Suite?!?!
Are you fuckin Austin Powersing me right now?! You ponied up to the table, see me cheat my way out of an all but certain bust cuz I like to live dangerously ^careless ^and ^wreckless
The whole internet sees you showing your fucking 5 of Adobe and Win Expensive Edition
We ALL know you have at most 16GBs** of RAM in your hand to run Adobe, CoPilot and bloatware with a dash of OS so your home desktop remote corporate data miner can allow for security breaches to make it look like they aren't the ones stealing your everything.
Then as we all wait for your hit, YOU FUCKING STAY. With out even flinching. You're just like yeah I know windows and Adobe will profit off of every button I click but it's only at the expense of every functional purpose for owning a computer.
As the spanish say, Tooooooshea senior, Toooooooshea.
You must run your workshops with the tightest butthole to keep any data from leaking. I salute you🫡
Footnotes:
**cuz of the 5 from the A.P. clip, get it lol most you'd have face down is an ace so best hand he could have is 16. The amount of GB almost everyone had before you needed $8k pc's to play minesweep. Lol Thought that witty little turn of logic but was too subtly brilliant to let it go over my head when I reread this stoned someday looking for a different comment
I don't think this is related to the OS. What displays do you have connected?
Oh my god don't ask me that. It's so embarrassing. I built this pc as my 2nd build ever. I got into computers super late in life so learned with the first then just as I was finishing rhe zen 5 cpus came out and 4090's so I went right into build 2 right whe they came out. I wasn't patient. I didn't understand a fucking lick about how resolution, frame rate, or refresh rate or even what the difference between a monitor and TV were. So I have 2 reasonably priced Samsung 27" 4k monitors with standard 60hz... but wait there's more. Then I saw this waaaay too good to be true deal that I was waaaaah to ignorant and impulsive to know was not what I wanted so I bout the 32" fuckin quad HD 165hz curved screen sceptre on Amazon. Soooooooo dumb. Sooooooooo useless. Every fuckin monitor I bought was bought with specs that are usess for it's purpose or missing the only spec I thought I was building a pc for.
Anyway I totally think I know where you are going with this tho cuz yes the screens were causing tons of issues for me but I was able to get all three running together at their native resolutions and refresh rates. The high clocks and temps from the monitors were more causing me to have to reinstall my nvidia drivers with fresh installs and wasn't ever an idling issue. They were crashes from running out of their ranges and me trying to muscle them into proper scaling sizes so their orientation wasn't all fucky going screen to screen
What I was alluding to with regards to idle mclk behaviour is that there are two factors at play: vertical balanking interval and combined display bandwidth.
Your mclk will idle high with 'incompatible' VBIs, and it'll also idle high to sustain a lot of display throughput.
This can be observed regardless of GFX vendor, though symptoms may vary somewhat between them. I suppose it could be considered a limitation of GDDR (the same behaviour was never really observed on HBM GPUs like the Vega 64 or Radeon VII)
That said, friends of mine have fixed various multi-display specific issues using nvidia profile inspector
JFC, win_blows_.
Microshit PR team worked OT for this one, pessants
What a time to be alive
Well yeah. Imagine for a 250$ "Operating system" to take weeks until it performs the same as a FOSS OS.
This is just the official price. Of course, you'll almost always get free Win 11 Home with new computers, or a Volume License for 10€ from ebay, or you just don't activate it. But the official price by M$ is 259€/200$. Which kinda means they think it is worth that much, and it would be justified to charge germans almost 300 USD for "an advertisement delivery platform strapped to a program loader".
Holy shit, that's wild lol. I've only been thinking about the Home version, which you can get around here for about 140 bucks at most 😅
This is just the official price. Of course, you'll almost always get free Win 11 Home with new computers, or a Volume License for 10€ from ebay, or you just don't activate it. But the official price by M$ is 259€/200$. Which kinda means they think it is worth that much, and it would be justified to charge germans almost 300 USD for "an advertisement delivery platform strapped to a program loader".
Fair enough. Just always seemed like a weird repeated sticking point.
For anyone looking to buy it cheaper, look for OEM key resellers. It's the discounted price for companies preinstalling Windows. You can only install it on one device though, instead of whatever "multiple install grace window" they allow normally.
For anyone wanting it for free, MASgrave utilizes some sort of loophole with an official licensing method meant for corporations to get Microsoft to grant you a valid official license key for free. Microsoft can't go back and somehow differentiate these keys from paid legit ones, so there's no risk. Just make sure you're getting MASgrave from their official source on github so there isn't any malware snuck in. It also has some functionality for Office licenses as well.
Also worth noting that with effort, you can excise the overwhelming majority of the anti-consumer bullshit from Windows. Not really accessible to the average joe though, real easy to break shit or not disable things properly so they get re-enabled through updates.
Normies hate grey market because it feels like they are stealing from the rich 🤡
Normies don't know what an OS is. I'd say there is not a single person that would actually pay the official price - but it's nonetheless what M$ is asking for, implicating that's what they think their Trojan is worth.
I'm currently migrating my gaming system to Linux, it feels so good!
“Users will need to look for KB5041587 under Windows update > Advanced options > Optional updates,” says AMD in a statement to Wccftech.
So, is this an optional update for now, or is this going to be included in some kind of omnibus update?
That information is in the first paragraph.
And referenced by the sentence following your quote snippet.
And discussed in the next paragraph.
I read it. I guess I didn't understand it.
It is optional until 24h2 releases at the end of September which it will be packaged with.
Thanks. From the way I read it, it sounded like it was an optional update that came alongside 24H2.
No worries. The way the info is laid out it's pretty understandable how you came to that conclusion. I came to the comments to make sure I was understanding it correctly too.
I think it is optional now, and after they observe it's stability for a while, they will move it into base update, but I'm not sure.
The article isn't especially clear. I would guess it's the way you suggest, but maybe they're gunshy after the CrowdStrike debacle and want to keep plausible deniability.
Does anyone know if this was also an issue that was impacting ryzen chips in Windows 10?
I don't know if it was a bug so much as a deficiency. OS Improvements to branch prediction will most likely not be backported to Win10
Is this how we download more RAM?
You wouldn't steal a RAM!
I absolutely would, they have pretty cool horns
No, this is.
So, do Linux users not get the extra performance, or did they just not suffer a performance penalty to begin with?
Didn’t suffer the penalty to begin with
It was a Windows bug not an AMD problem
Linux was already faster
Swear to fucking god the same will happen for GPUs in the next 6-12 months.
EVERYWHERE I looked researching why my RTX 4090 was idling with maxed out mem clock @ 10000MHz not dropping a bit. All the forums, articles and Nvidia themselves gave super standard troubleshooting suggestions before just saying yeah those gpu's fuckin run spicy.
I underclocked, un-installed, reinstalled, ran it in other PC's, white washed my drivers, updated bios, flashed bios, pretty sure i biosed my bios, even used recommended windows retarded power throttling setting... fuckin nothing.
Finally during one of my "Fuck Microsoft" tantrums I started belligerently stripping every fucking Windows 11 service, software and apps that would let me. Full on preppared to nuke the whole fuckin PC, not just the OS.
No fucking clue what did it or where it was all I know was it was somewhere in the control panel memory settings/disk optimization-ish/file history/virtual memory area or at least felt like it was from around that before I started aggressively clicking delete one at a time for my entire file history cuz ya know file history has had a bug lasting thru 2 generations of windows now that won't let you batch delete old files history files. Either way fucker all of a sudden sounded slightly less fans at top seepdy sounding, checked to see if I was loosing it but sure as fuck it really was bringing the gpu back to normal.
Its been humming like a champ ever since. Idles at 5001 runs at 10000 range with curve optimizer. Was able to re-set everything up on a clean install using a local microsoft account, deleted my actual microsoft account, haven't updated a fucking thing, been running FOLON with 231 enabled mods on 195 plugins. OH and I forgot to mention how noone believ3d me at nvidia that the 4090 when initially bought was running just like this with no issues. Needless to say I'm in stage 2-1/2 of my migration to Linux. Idc if I'm dead wrong about this experience I will never go back to Windows for my erryday desidnated driver or use it more that the 3 pc games I usually play through any year. No internet single player screaming fallacies speech to text into copilot to ruin that cunt fucker and tell people I multi task while gaming.
Once I finally got it installed, Win 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC has been fine. The only real hitch was that I had a terrible time getting the graphics card drivers instsalled; kept getting a BSOD. But everything is running quite nicely.
As soon as I remember to get my other hard drives installed, it will be time to put the Adobe Creative Suite and Corel Painter X on it, and see how happy it is with those.
Win 11 Enterprise AND Adobe Creative Suite?!?!
Are you fuckin Austin Powersing me right now?! You ponied up to the table, see me cheat my way out of an all but certain bust cuz I like to live dangerously ^careless ^and ^wreckless
The whole internet sees you showing your fucking 5 of Adobe and Win Expensive Edition
We ALL know you have at most 16GBs** of RAM in your hand to run Adobe, CoPilot and bloatware with a dash of OS so your home desktop remote corporate data miner can allow for security breaches to make it look like they aren't the ones stealing your everything.
Then as we all wait for your hit, YOU FUCKING STAY. With out even flinching. You're just like yeah I know windows and Adobe will profit off of every button I click but it's only at the expense of every functional purpose for owning a computer.
As the spanish say, Tooooooshea senior, Toooooooshea. You must run your workshops with the tightest butthole to keep any data from leaking. I salute you🫡
Footnotes: **cuz of the 5 from the A.P. clip, get it lol most you'd have face down is an ace so best hand he could have is 16. The amount of GB almost everyone had before you needed $8k pc's to play minesweep. Lol Thought that witty little turn of logic but was too subtly brilliant to let it go over my head when I reread this stoned someday looking for a different comment
I don't think this is related to the OS. What displays do you have connected?
Oh my god don't ask me that. It's so embarrassing. I built this pc as my 2nd build ever. I got into computers super late in life so learned with the first then just as I was finishing rhe zen 5 cpus came out and 4090's so I went right into build 2 right whe they came out. I wasn't patient. I didn't understand a fucking lick about how resolution, frame rate, or refresh rate or even what the difference between a monitor and TV were. So I have 2 reasonably priced Samsung 27" 4k monitors with standard 60hz... but wait there's more. Then I saw this waaaay too good to be true deal that I was waaaaah to ignorant and impulsive to know was not what I wanted so I bout the 32" fuckin quad HD 165hz curved screen sceptre on Amazon. Soooooooo dumb. Sooooooooo useless. Every fuckin monitor I bought was bought with specs that are usess for it's purpose or missing the only spec I thought I was building a pc for.
Anyway I totally think I know where you are going with this tho cuz yes the screens were causing tons of issues for me but I was able to get all three running together at their native resolutions and refresh rates. The high clocks and temps from the monitors were more causing me to have to reinstall my nvidia drivers with fresh installs and wasn't ever an idling issue. They were crashes from running out of their ranges and me trying to muscle them into proper scaling sizes so their orientation wasn't all fucky going screen to screen
What I was alluding to with regards to idle mclk behaviour is that there are two factors at play: vertical balanking interval and combined display bandwidth.
Your mclk will idle high with 'incompatible' VBIs, and it'll also idle high to sustain a lot of display throughput.
This can be observed regardless of GFX vendor, though symptoms may vary somewhat between them. I suppose it could be considered a limitation of GDDR (the same behaviour was never really observed on HBM GPUs like the Vega 64 or Radeon VII)
That said, friends of mine have fixed various multi-display specific issues using nvidia profile inspector
JFC, win_blows_.
Microshit PR team worked OT for this one, pessants
What a time to be alive
Well yeah. Imagine for a 250$ "Operating system" to take weeks until it performs the same as a FOSS OS.
Edit: 259€.
I'm sorry, 250 bucks? Where does it cost that much? 😅
Windows 11 Pro, doesn't matter if it's just the License or with USB, officially costs 259€. Which is ~289 USD.
https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/d/windows-11-pro/dg7gmgf0d8h4/000P
And even for the US, it's 200$.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-11-pro/dg7gmgf0d8h4/000P
This is just the official price. Of course, you'll almost always get free Win 11 Home with new computers, or a Volume License for 10€ from ebay, or you just don't activate it. But the official price by M$ is 259€/200$. Which kinda means they think it is worth that much, and it would be justified to charge germans almost 300 USD for "an advertisement delivery platform strapped to a program loader".
Holy shit, that's wild lol. I've only been thinking about the Home version, which you can get around here for about 140 bucks at most 😅
cough https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts cough
Yep. But the fact M$ believes a few tools that are even far, far inferior to Linux' tools are worth 60$ is a statement in itself.
Ok, this is the second time I've seen this $250 price. Where did you get that from?
Worst I'm seeing is ~$60 for a usb set up to install Pro along with the license, and you can easily get OEM Pro licenses for far far less.
Windows 11 Pro, doesn't matter if it's just the License or with USB, officially costs 259€. Which is ~289 USD.
https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/d/windows-11-pro/dg7gmgf0d8h4/000P
And even for the US, it's 200$.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-11-pro/dg7gmgf0d8h4/000P
This is just the official price. Of course, you'll almost always get free Win 11 Home with new computers, or a Volume License for 10€ from ebay, or you just don't activate it. But the official price by M$ is 259€/200$. Which kinda means they think it is worth that much, and it would be justified to charge germans almost 300 USD for "an advertisement delivery platform strapped to a program loader".
Fair enough. Just always seemed like a weird repeated sticking point.
For anyone looking to buy it cheaper, look for OEM key resellers. It's the discounted price for companies preinstalling Windows. You can only install it on one device though, instead of whatever "multiple install grace window" they allow normally.
For anyone wanting it for free, MASgrave utilizes some sort of loophole with an official licensing method meant for corporations to get Microsoft to grant you a valid official license key for free. Microsoft can't go back and somehow differentiate these keys from paid legit ones, so there's no risk. Just make sure you're getting MASgrave from their official source on github so there isn't any malware snuck in. It also has some functionality for Office licenses as well.
Also worth noting that with effort, you can excise the overwhelming majority of the anti-consumer bullshit from Windows. Not really accessible to the average joe though, real easy to break shit or not disable things properly so they get re-enabled through updates.
Normies hate grey market because it feels like they are stealing from the rich 🤡
Normies don't know what an OS is. I'd say there is not a single person that would actually pay the official price - but it's nonetheless what M$ is asking for, implicating that's what they think their Trojan is worth.
I'm currently migrating my gaming system to Linux, it feels so good!
So, is this an optional update for now, or is this going to be included in some kind of omnibus update?
That information is in the first paragraph.
And referenced by the sentence following your quote snippet.
And discussed in the next paragraph.
I read it. I guess I didn't understand it.
It is optional until 24h2 releases at the end of September which it will be packaged with.
Thanks. From the way I read it, it sounded like it was an optional update that came alongside 24H2.
No worries. The way the info is laid out it's pretty understandable how you came to that conclusion. I came to the comments to make sure I was understanding it correctly too.
I think it is optional now, and after they observe it's stability for a while, they will move it into base update, but I'm not sure.
The article isn't especially clear. I would guess it's the way you suggest, but maybe they're gunshy after the CrowdStrike debacle and want to keep plausible deniability.
Does anyone know if this was also an issue that was impacting ryzen chips in Windows 10?
I don't know if it was a bug so much as a deficiency. OS Improvements to branch prediction will most likely not be backported to Win10