Voting against your interests, an American tradition
I'll assume your interests are fully aligned with the aggrieved minority, but consider their POV for a brief moment. Trump's talking about an end to the conflict, he's at the very least honest about what Netanyahu wants, and he's dunking on the islamophobic, mass-murdering Cheneys.
Arab Americans are well aware of Trump's racism, which is why they put their trust in liberals and went for Biden by a landslide. This is a pretty clear "fuck you" to those very same liberals for carrying out a genocide.
And Trump has said he wants it to go even farther.
What's farther than genocide? This was yesterday,
A mother from #Jabalia says:
“They took all the children from their mothers and put them inside what resembled a pit or a hole. The tank came to circle around them repeatedly until their bones cracked under the pressure of dust and sand, amidst the screams of children and the wailing of mothers.
“After that, the soldiers came and started throwing the children towards the mothers, and whoever caught a child was ordered to carry him and move away quickly, with no guarantee that the child would be their own.
“Many mothers carried children who were not their own, and were forced to leave with them, leaving their own children in the hands of other mothers. This marked the beginning of a new chapter of suffering, with mothers searching for their children in the arms of other women, trying to calm the children they held until they found their real mothers.“
"President Donald Trump accused President Joe Biden of abandoning Israel after the incumbent said he would not supply the country with weapons it could use to invade Rafah."
When he was president before, he already massively cut aid to Gaza, and would probably do so again.
That's how you go farther
My fellow voter, Biden didn't hold back on Israel anywhere except in the imagination of the media
50,000 dead after one year is "not holding back?"
You sound hysterical, as you mou must know
That's right, they're carrying out the genocide with full US support.
Have you considered that your calculus might be wrong, just from a birdseye view?
99% of the people in Gaza managed to have avoided being killed in this indiscriminate and unmitigated bloodbath, waged with the whole-cloth support of the most powerful military ever to exist, which you are describing. How do you explain that?
Not enough killed for your taste? The 50k is a massive undercount.
How do you fall for this?
Because it's from one of the bravest reporters on earth.
voting foreign policy so you can be evicted locally. sounds like a solid decision
Seems like cutting off your face to spite the nose but also can't trust the polls and the DNC's messaging about Israel has been dogshit so who knows.
You know what?
This is a really good point. According to the article,
the margin of error of plus or minus 5.93 percent.
Meanwhile, it also said the poll was saying,
45 percent to 43 percent
So in the extreme case, rather than being down by 2 points for Harris, it could be up for Harris by almost 4 points.
Anyone who is an Arab-American and concerned about the situation in the middle east, and who is voting for Trump, has to be a special kind of stupid. He's the candidate who hates brown-skinned people and who is backed by money that supports Jewish interests in the middle east because they think more death and destruction will force Jesus to come down from his cloud quicker. If these Arab Americans think Trump will offer Palestine or Lebanon even a modicum of help then they are fucking idiots.
Edit: Clarified some phrasing.
How many Arabs have you talked to about your theory that they're stupid? Democrats are literally exterminating them.
I can't say I'm surprised, harris has blown the narrative. but I am saddened by the fact that Arabs think turnip is a better option, I think it's a plain as day what he thinks and plans for the next administration. I am feeling very pessimistic these days.
Harris isn't going to alienate 300,000 Jewish voters in PA for 20,000 Arab voters in MI.
"The American Jewish Population Project at Brandeis University estimates there are about 300,000 Jewish voters in the Keystone State. When you consider that Joe Biden won Pennsylvania by less than 82,000 votes in 2020, and Trump by about 44,000 votes in 2016, the margins matter."
So there a shit ton dumbass Arabs then? Do they have their heads up their ass? Seriously are we sure this isn't Russian trolls. No Arabian could Seriously think Trump will be better for them then Harris? Or is it a sexiest thing because she a woman?
A lot of Arab-Americans are Christians, who have a problematic relationship with Arab identity.
They may be people who are opposed to the idea of a far-right, pan-islamist caliphate swallowing up the Middle East.
The vast majority of US Jews want the conflict to end, something that can be done by a US president with a phonecall.
Harris declaring that she'll end the war would be a boost across this demographic, and I'd assume many others.
Could be done with a phone call, if Bibi gave two shits about what we think, and he doesn't. He really, really doesn't.
It doesn't matter if we cut off the supply or not, they don't need our weapons.
Okay now turn on your brain and use it on this nonsense article....
How can a doctor know the identity and motive of the shooter by looking at a wound?
Were these magic doctors?
Caliber and location of the wound. Ballistics is a science.
Plus, it's not like anyone else is shooting Palestinian children.
Hamas rules Gaza by assassination and fear. They kill other Palestinians with guns and other things all the time. They shoot parents in front of their kids and vice verse to stay in power. The Iranian immamate and Qatari royals don't pay people to post about it online all day, though, so Al Jazeera doesn't write about it and Guardian doesn't retweet about it, and that's the truth of the matter. The evidence is staring you in the face.
Doesn't the idea of trained, uniformed soldiers, subject to a very robust, open legal system, as well as a military code of justice enforced by courts martial, sniping kids in the head for sport sound unbelievable? I posit that not only does it sound unbelievable, but that is actually is unbelievable; that if you were being rational, you should not and would not believe it.
No, no doctor anywhere in the world can determine the identity and motive of an individual from a bullet wound. This article's presumption to the contrary defies obvious logic and physics. Think about it for five seconds. Terminal ballistics has nothing to do with identifying the shooter or motive.
In no court of law in America would these doctors testimony be admitted as identification evidence or to explain motive, and you must know this to be true. Should read more critically, slow down.
"Q. Wait, you’re saying that children in Gaza are being shot by snipers?
A. Definitively. I have two children that I have photographs of, that were shot so perfectly in their chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately
. And directly on the side of the head, in the same child, no toddler gets shot twice by mistake by the world’s best sniper, and they are dead center shots."
Ridiculous quotes. The doctors in Gaza certainly have strong imaginations, that or magical powers.
Unfortunately, wild conjecture and speculation by people soliciting donations is not evidence.
Tell me this, how much personal experience do YOU have with sniper victims? None? Yeah, forgive me for taking the word of a medical expert over an internet expert.
None.
This isn't about taking the doctor's medical opinion over someone without a medical degree and practical experience. Read the doctor's own words. What he is saying does not follow or make logical sense.
A doctor cannot distinguish two bullet wounds as from rounds aimed and fired by a sniper or two rounds fired by a drunk with a pistol, or by two stray bullets, or even by one stray bullet, or even by one piece of shrapnel, if it's through and through. Do you not know about bullets?
The sniper doctor said in his own words that his opinion was based on what cannot be described as anything other than wild speculation.
pathetic
They absolutely do depend on the US lol, it's a vassal state.
Please educate yourself. Even Israeli academics admit this.
What the hell are these links, "visual capitalist" lmao
Please use academic sources. A US colony isn't going to survive without US support
Links supporting what I'm telling you, depending on how you count it, Israel is the #8, #9, #10 largest arms exporter in the world.
Us telling them "Yeah, well, we're cutting you off..." means exactly nothing to them.
man you're obstinant. Israel selling weapons tech doesn't mean they can produce the physical bombs, missiles, tanks they need to continue the war let alone defend from a coordinated counterattack.
Benjamin Miller says it best,
"Israel cannot work alone. It needs financial aid as well as backing in the international arena from some major power. China and Russia are certainly not partners and Europe is very critical of Israel these days, and sensitive in the humanitarian field. Australia and Canada are also not a real option, because their tendency towards us is similar to that of Europe.
What does the US provide Israel in terms of foreign aid as well as in the diplomatic arena, which we would have a very difficult time doing without? Firstly, there is the defense aid, which in normal times amounts to $3.8 billion annually, about NIS 14 billion (Israel's defense budget, without US aid, is NIS 65 billion annually in normal times.) Also on the agenda today is aid totaling $14 billion to support the war, which has not yet been approved by Congress.
Apart from the two aircraft carriers that the US sent here at the start of the war, to deter Iran and Hezbollah, it has also been frequently supplying Israel with artillery and tank shells and as well as bombs for aircraft. "If the US stops aid in the field of armaments," says Miller, "That's a huge problem for Israel, because it also needs to stockpile weapons in preparation for a possible war against Hezbollah. In such a case, we will need a huge amount of weapons."
No less important than the aid that the US gives to Israel, Miller stresses, is in the use it makes for our benefit of the veto it has in the UN Security Council. Thanks to the US, several resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza were thwarted in the last few months alone. "Since October 7, the US has used the veto three times in our favor," says Miller.
Prior to October 7, it looked like Israel has additional partners in the international arena in China and Russia. Only last June Netanyahu was proud about being invited to visit China by President Xi Jinping.
"That was also another conception that Netanyahu had before October 7 that has been shattered. The conception was that Israel could maneuver between the three great powers - the US, China and Russia - and supposedly benefit from all worlds.
All they need to do that is money, and they have the money.
So, to re-iterate:
Netanyahu isn't interested in what we have to say, and isn't threatened by our cutting off support.
There are two ways the genocide ends:
They kill every last Palestinian, devastate Gaza, Lebanon, the West Bank and, crap, throw in the Golan Heights too. Why not?
Someone steps in, forcibly separates Israel from the Palestinians, and MAKES them stop.
Nobody has the political willpower for #2.
What are you talking about? You can't turn money into tanks, someone with vast natural resources and industry has to sell them to you and that requires a relationship. The main purchaser of Israeli's tech is the US, which is done to help prop up our colony's eocnomy.
Please cite an academic or foreign policy expert that says israel survives alone.
Oddly enough, some of the people who survived long enough to see West Germany wanted there to be a monarchy established there...
The Jewish voting block, although largely Blue by tradition, does have have a real alternative in the GOP candidate (since he'd stick with the Israel Prime Minister no matter how low they go in Gaza, no matter what, as long as he's not personally insulted).
This is part of the reason why Dems have had to walk such a fine line around Gaza - it's next to impossible navigate without offending either group. That said, it's difficult to understand folks of this persuasion who'd actively support the GOP guy here - both alternatives are bad so you'd actually pick the worse one?
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the flames are lit and gondor is calling for aid; but only tankies are answering the call and the rest of rohan is too busy trying to convince themselves that genocide is okay so long as you don't genocide as hard as the other guy.
When there are but two choices, genocide is better than GENOCIDE.
Or you can do something else and be completely irrelevant.
Voting against your interests, an American tradition
I'll assume your interests are fully aligned with the aggrieved minority, but consider their POV for a brief moment. Trump's talking about an end to the conflict, he's at the very least honest about what Netanyahu wants, and he's dunking on the islamophobic, mass-murdering Cheneys.
Arab Americans are well aware of Trump's racism, which is why they put their trust in liberals and went for Biden by a landslide. This is a pretty clear "fuck you" to those very same liberals for carrying out a genocide.
And Trump has said he wants it to go even farther.
What's farther than genocide? This was yesterday,
"President Donald Trump accused President Joe Biden of abandoning Israel after the incumbent said he would not supply the country with weapons it could use to invade Rafah."
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/05/09/trump-israel-biden-jewish-voters-hamas-spectrum-news-interview
Trump wouldn't offer even the token pushback that Biden has, and would likely ramp up the payments and weapons supplied to Israel.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-cuts-more-than-200-million-in-us-aid-to-palestinians-idUSKCN1L923C/
When he was president before, he already massively cut aid to Gaza, and would probably do so again.
That's how you go farther
My fellow voter, Biden didn't hold back on Israel anywhere except in the imagination of the media
50,000 dead after one year is "not holding back?"
You sound hysterical, as you mou must know
That's right, they're carrying out the genocide with full US support.
Have you considered that your calculus might be wrong, just from a birdseye view?
99% of the people in Gaza managed to have avoided being killed in this indiscriminate and unmitigated bloodbath, waged with the whole-cloth support of the most powerful military ever to exist, which you are describing. How do you explain that?
Not enough killed for your taste? The 50k is a massive undercount.
How do you fall for this?
Because it's from one of the bravest reporters on earth.
voting foreign policy so you can be evicted locally. sounds like a solid decision
Seems like cutting off your face to spite the nose but also can't trust the polls and the DNC's messaging about Israel has been dogshit so who knows.
You know what?
This is a really good point. According to the article,
Meanwhile, it also said the poll was saying,
So in the extreme case, rather than being down by 2 points for Harris, it could be up for Harris by almost 4 points.
Anyone who is an Arab-American and concerned about the situation in the middle east, and who is voting for Trump, has to be a special kind of stupid. He's the candidate who hates brown-skinned people and who is backed by money that supports Jewish interests in the middle east because they think more death and destruction will force Jesus to come down from his cloud quicker. If these Arab Americans think Trump will offer Palestine or Lebanon even a modicum of help then they are fucking idiots.
Edit: Clarified some phrasing.
How many Arabs have you talked to about your theory that they're stupid? Democrats are literally exterminating them.
I can't say I'm surprised, harris has blown the narrative. but I am saddened by the fact that Arabs think turnip is a better option, I think it's a plain as day what he thinks and plans for the next administration. I am feeling very pessimistic these days.
Harris isn't going to alienate 300,000 Jewish voters in PA for 20,000 Arab voters in MI.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html
"The American Jewish Population Project at Brandeis University estimates there are about 300,000 Jewish voters in the Keystone State. When you consider that Joe Biden won Pennsylvania by less than 82,000 votes in 2020, and Trump by about 44,000 votes in 2016, the margins matter."
So there a shit ton dumbass Arabs then? Do they have their heads up their ass? Seriously are we sure this isn't Russian trolls. No Arabian could Seriously think Trump will be better for them then Harris? Or is it a sexiest thing because she a woman?
A lot of Arab-Americans are Christians, who have a problematic relationship with Arab identity.
They may be people who are opposed to the idea of a far-right, pan-islamist caliphate swallowing up the Middle East.
The vast majority of US Jews want the conflict to end, something that can be done by a US president with a phonecall.
Harris declaring that she'll end the war would be a boost across this demographic, and I'd assume many others.
Could be done with a phone call, if Bibi gave two shits about what we think, and he doesn't. He really, really doesn't.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/22/opinion/gaza-israel-biden-netanyahu.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cje3zl0dq2ko
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-rejects-biden-warning-innocent-palestinian-lives/
https://www.businessinsider.com/netanyahu-biden-warnings-war-seriously-lebanon-hezbollah-israel-ground-incursion-2024-9
https://www.foreignaffairsreview.com/home/why-netanyahu-doesnt-want-a-hostage-deal
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-09-24/ty-article-opinion/.premium/why-netanyahu-is-really-delaying-a-hostage-deal-the-disgrace-over-oct-7-that-awaits-him/00000192-2013-dc44-affb-3993f68d0000
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-06-24-2024-f5de2ed8288ac3cdb02c4e9e2fbaeda1
The phone call must include the magic words, "or no more weapons"
They don't need our weapons to shoot little kids in the head. Bullets are cheap.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
It doesn't matter if we cut off the supply or not, they don't need our weapons.
Okay now turn on your brain and use it on this nonsense article....
How can a doctor know the identity and motive of the shooter by looking at a wound?
Were these magic doctors?
Caliber and location of the wound. Ballistics is a science.
Plus, it's not like anyone else is shooting Palestinian children.
Hamas rules Gaza by assassination and fear. They kill other Palestinians with guns and other things all the time. They shoot parents in front of their kids and vice verse to stay in power. The Iranian immamate and Qatari royals don't pay people to post about it online all day, though, so Al Jazeera doesn't write about it and Guardian doesn't retweet about it, and that's the truth of the matter. The evidence is staring you in the face.
Doesn't the idea of trained, uniformed soldiers, subject to a very robust, open legal system, as well as a military code of justice enforced by courts martial, sniping kids in the head for sport sound unbelievable? I posit that not only does it sound unbelievable, but that is actually is unbelievable; that if you were being rational, you should not and would not believe it.
No, no doctor anywhere in the world can determine the identity and motive of an individual from a bullet wound. This article's presumption to the contrary defies obvious logic and physics. Think about it for five seconds. Terminal ballistics has nothing to do with identifying the shooter or motive.
In no court of law in America would these doctors testimony be admitted as identification evidence or to explain motive, and you must know this to be true. Should read more critically, slow down.
I'm sorry, but reality absolutely disagrees:
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict
We have eyewitnesses to Israeli snipers shooting kids, it is NOT Hamas doing this.
https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_fatally_shoot_two_palestinian_children_in_the_head_in_the_northern_occupied_west_bank
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
https://www.dci-palestine.org/targeting_childhood_palestinian_children_killed_by_israeli_forces_and_settlers_in_the_occupied_west_bank
https://imemc.org/article/american-doctor-israeli-snipers-deliberately-targeted-palestinian-children-in-gaza/
"Q. Wait, you’re saying that children in Gaza are being shot by snipers?
A. Definitively. I have two children that I have photographs of, that were shot so perfectly in their chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately
. And directly on the side of the head, in the same child, no toddler gets shot twice by mistake by the world’s best sniper, and they are dead center shots."
To say nothing of other innocents:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/09/israel-snipers-shot-killing-civilians-west-bank/
Ridiculous quotes. The doctors in Gaza certainly have strong imaginations, that or magical powers.
Unfortunately, wild conjecture and speculation by people soliciting donations is not evidence.
Tell me this, how much personal experience do YOU have with sniper victims? None? Yeah, forgive me for taking the word of a medical expert over an internet expert.
None.
This isn't about taking the doctor's medical opinion over someone without a medical degree and practical experience. Read the doctor's own words. What he is saying does not follow or make logical sense.
A doctor cannot distinguish two bullet wounds as from rounds aimed and fired by a sniper or two rounds fired by a drunk with a pistol, or by two stray bullets, or even by one stray bullet, or even by one piece of shrapnel, if it's through and through. Do you not know about bullets?
The
sniperdoctor said in his own words that his opinion was based on what cannot be described as anything other than wild speculation.pathetic
They absolutely do depend on the US lol, it's a vassal state.
Please educate yourself. Even Israeli academics admit this.
https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/israels-dependence-united-states-existential
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-could-israel-manage-without-us-support-1001473884
Israel is, depending on how you count it, between the #8th to #10th largest weapons dealer in the world. They don't need OUR weapons.
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-largest-arms-exporters-in-the-world/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-share-global-arms-exports-2022/
https://globelynews.com/world/world-top-arms-exporting-countries/amp/
What the hell are these links, "visual capitalist" lmao
Please use academic sources. A US colony isn't going to survive without US support
Links supporting what I'm telling you, depending on how you count it, Israel is the #8, #9, #10 largest arms exporter in the world.
Us telling them "Yeah, well, we're cutting you off..." means exactly nothing to them.
man you're obstinant. Israel selling weapons tech doesn't mean they can produce the physical bombs, missiles, tanks they need to continue the war let alone defend from a coordinated counterattack.
Benjamin Miller says it best,
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-could-israel-manage-without-us-support-1001473884
All they need to do that is money, and they have the money.
So, to re-iterate:
Netanyahu isn't interested in what we have to say, and isn't threatened by our cutting off support.
There are two ways the genocide ends:
They kill every last Palestinian, devastate Gaza, Lebanon, the West Bank and, crap, throw in the Golan Heights too. Why not?
Someone steps in, forcibly separates Israel from the Palestinians, and MAKES them stop.
Nobody has the political willpower for #2.
What are you talking about? You can't turn money into tanks, someone with vast natural resources and industry has to sell them to you and that requires a relationship. The main purchaser of Israeli's tech is the US, which is done to help prop up our colony's eocnomy.
Please cite an academic or foreign policy expert that says israel survives alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Oddly enough, some of the people who survived long enough to see West Germany wanted there to be a monarchy established there...
The Jewish voting block, although largely Blue by tradition, does have have a real alternative in the GOP candidate (since he'd stick with the Israel Prime Minister no matter how low they go in Gaza, no matter what, as long as he's not personally insulted).
This is part of the reason why Dems have had to walk such a fine line around Gaza - it's next to impossible navigate without offending either group. That said, it's difficult to understand folks of this persuasion who'd actively support the GOP guy here - both alternatives are bad so you'd actually pick the worse one?
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the flames are lit and gondor is calling for aid; but only tankies are answering the call and the rest of rohan is too busy trying to convince themselves that genocide is okay so long as you don't genocide as hard as the other guy.
When there are but two choices, genocide is better than GENOCIDE.
Or you can do something else and be completely irrelevant.