This bad boy can fit so much fucking Javascript in it.
i can confirm that my arch install does not have any electron apps! i just keep 8 tabs open at all times and use a billion workspace to try and forget about my CPU idling at 5%
the way this isn't even in my top 50 issues with Discord. i finally quit using it this July because it isn't enjoyable and I feel the life has been sucked out of it. there are much better alternatives popping up now including Matrix and Revolt which are my new go-to chat apps
The main problem is what the people you actually want to talk to are using. I still have to keep Facebook cucking Messanger installed to talk to one friend group.
all the people I actually gave a shit about from Discord use Revolt now so it's not an issue I've had to deal with thankfully lol
Lucky
I think you underestimate just how difficult making a app like discord fast is. It's quite impressive how well it works tbh
element do it, and do better, it's just company wanting money but don't want to spend money fixing it, that's why it's electron, and not other better alternative, it's cheap and easy to develop, not fast
You must be in only tiny rooms because element absolutely dies when joining anything busy. They recently implement sliding sync to help mitigate this.
Also yeah, the discord desktop app is garbage, I'll admit, but I'm talking about the website
tbf that's partly matrix the protocol being inefficient as fuck. element the client can't really fix that.
whose idea was it to synchronize the entire fucking history of a channel to every individual instance? for a chat app?
(yeah the matrix guys want to be a global federated generic data store and not a chat app i know, but all this has ended up with is a mediocre chat app and a few toy projects nobody cares about)
i guess maybe it's was the same problem with lemmy, only small instances and communities exists, and small money incentive, so they can't do much to make it better?
Bro is there a fediverse alternative to discord with voice chat and msging etc pkg
matrix is the most known one, it has all of discord's feature, but I don't know about voice.
it supports it through jitsi meet i think for group chats, but 1 on 1 it seems to do something different, though it’s been a while since I tested (this is all in Element, btw)
Cool, let me just tell my 10+ servers with a combined thousands of people to move right on over.
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There's revolt.
You guys use the website?
There only is the website. Even the app is a website
The app is just a PWA? I did not know that.
Technically it's electron, which is basically chromium with extra steps. It's apparently 64 bit which makes no sense if the main exec is 32 bit.
Ah, gotcha
sadly yeah, there's no mature enough alternatives yet
people haven't switched off discord yet because they did nothing to justify switching, just like how must of us stayed on the snoo site until the api changes happened.
it's just an "aaany moment now" for them to do something stupid and get people to move, and with how all of their new changes are going i don't think we have to wait long
it's the only TOS compliant way i can get it to use pipewire screen sharing /shrug
Since when did people stop liking Discord? It's still so much better than any of the chat clients that came before it.
I have never had any issues with it for what I use it for.
I will never go back to the days of Skype, ventrilo, or TeamSpeak. Slow, worse ui/ux, and less feature rich from what I can remember.
Also, why would use Discord's website?
I stopped liking discord the very first time I launched the application and saw what a piece of shit it was.
When they updated the privacy policy to start spying on voice calls.
It's still so much better than any of the chat clients that came before it.
Doesn't make it good
I will never go back to the days of Skype, ventrilo, or TeamSpeak.
The fact that you didn't include IRC in this last as one of the "chat clients that came before it" makes me cry
Also, why would use Discord's website?
Because their app is their website in a wrapper
people stopped liking discord when they got to use slack or teams and see what a professional chat product looks like.
not that people really love slack or teams either, but they are miles ahead of discord in terms of speed and general usability.
Lmao I can tell you've never used Teams before.
I work for MS and literally every MS employee hates Teams. I would cut off my tongue before I recommend it to a friend.
The problem with Discord isn't the program, it's the fact that we have a million different servers now. People just don't like having to go to a new server for every different conversation, but that's the way they all chose to use it so it's their own fault.
Teams is truly awful. The fact that I have seen it maintain the same general clunkiness for years at this point is crazy. When it was newer, I could overlook it somewhat and assumed that the wrinkles would get smoothed out over time, but it still feels very janky and duct-taped together. It's functional enough for what I need it to do, but it may be my least favorite piece of software that I need to use regularly. I used Slack a few jobs ago and I miss it. It has been Teams ever since that job.
The other big issue I have with Discord is that information isn't really indexable or able to be archived easily. Reddit developed its own issues, but at least it was great to use alongside a search engine. Discord just feels like a black hole of information in comparison. It feels like a ticking time bomb in terms of inevitable enshittification.
Bruh I use Slack for work. If Discord ever create a Enterprise oriented plan with the necessary terms for business use, it's sure as hell I'm going to push for my company to migrate. Discords way of setting up custom channels is a godsend if you're working on a remote first team.
Genuine question since I use Discord mostly for small groups of friends, what are you doing that is causing speed problems? I have never had Discord operate any slower than Teams an I use both daily in different environments.
Lol. In fairness, I imagine Discord and Twitch have a lot of user overlap, and Twitch put some downright brilliant engineering to achieve their speeds.
I wouldn't wish "incoming user just switched tabs from Twitch" on any web developer.
Slaps roof of Electron
This bad boy can fit so much fucking Javascript in it.
i can confirm that my arch install does not have any electron apps! i just keep 8 tabs open at all times and use a billion workspace to try and forget about my CPU idling at 5%
the way this isn't even in my top 50 issues with Discord. i finally quit using it this July because it isn't enjoyable and I feel the life has been sucked out of it. there are much better alternatives popping up now including Matrix and Revolt which are my new go-to chat apps
The main problem is what the people you actually want to talk to are using. I still have to keep Facebook cucking Messanger installed to talk to one friend group.
matrix bridges :)
Sign up for beeper?
all the people I actually gave a shit about from Discord use Revolt now so it's not an issue I've had to deal with thankfully lol
Lucky
I think you underestimate just how difficult making a app like discord fast is. It's quite impressive how well it works tbh
element do it, and do better, it's just company wanting money but don't want to spend money fixing it, that's why it's electron, and not other better alternative, it's cheap and easy to develop, not fast
You must be in only tiny rooms because element absolutely dies when joining anything busy. They recently implement sliding sync to help mitigate this.
Also yeah, the discord desktop app is garbage, I'll admit, but I'm talking about the website
tbf that's partly matrix the protocol being inefficient as fuck. element the client can't really fix that.
whose idea was it to synchronize the entire fucking history of a channel to every individual instance? for a chat app?
(yeah the matrix guys want to be a global federated generic data store and not a chat app i know, but all this has ended up with is a mediocre chat app and a few toy projects nobody cares about)
i guess maybe it's was the same problem with lemmy, only small instances and communities exists, and small money incentive, so they can't do much to make it better?
Bro is there a fediverse alternative to discord with voice chat and msging etc pkg
matrix is the most known one, it has all of discord's feature, but I don't know about voice.
it supports it through jitsi meet i think for group chats, but 1 on 1 it seems to do something different, though it’s been a while since I tested (this is all in Element, btw)
Cool, let me just tell my 10+ servers with a combined thousands of people to move right on over.
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There's revolt.
You guys use the website?
There only is the website. Even the app is a website
The app is just a PWA? I did not know that.
Technically it's electron, which is basically chromium with extra steps. It's apparently 64 bit which makes no sense if the main exec is 32 bit.
Ah, gotcha
sadly yeah, there's no mature enough alternatives yet
people haven't switched off discord yet because they did nothing to justify switching, just like how must of us stayed on the snoo site until the api changes happened.
it's just an "aaany moment now" for them to do something stupid and get people to move, and with how all of their new changes are going i don't think we have to wait long
it's the only TOS compliant way i can get it to use pipewire screen sharing /shrug
Since when did people stop liking Discord? It's still so much better than any of the chat clients that came before it. I have never had any issues with it for what I use it for.
I will never go back to the days of Skype, ventrilo, or TeamSpeak. Slow, worse ui/ux, and less feature rich from what I can remember.
Also, why would use Discord's website?
I stopped liking discord the very first time I launched the application and saw what a piece of shit it was.
When they updated the privacy policy to start spying on voice calls.
Doesn't make it good
The fact that you didn't include IRC in this last as one of the "chat clients that came before it" makes me cry
Because their app is their website in a wrapper
people stopped liking discord when they got to use slack or teams and see what a professional chat product looks like.
not that people really love slack or teams either, but they are miles ahead of discord in terms of speed and general usability.
Lmao I can tell you've never used Teams before.
I work for MS and literally every MS employee hates Teams. I would cut off my tongue before I recommend it to a friend.
The problem with Discord isn't the program, it's the fact that we have a million different servers now. People just don't like having to go to a new server for every different conversation, but that's the way they all chose to use it so it's their own fault.
Teams is truly awful. The fact that I have seen it maintain the same general clunkiness for years at this point is crazy. When it was newer, I could overlook it somewhat and assumed that the wrinkles would get smoothed out over time, but it still feels very janky and duct-taped together. It's functional enough for what I need it to do, but it may be my least favorite piece of software that I need to use regularly. I used Slack a few jobs ago and I miss it. It has been Teams ever since that job.
The other big issue I have with Discord is that information isn't really indexable or able to be archived easily. Reddit developed its own issues, but at least it was great to use alongside a search engine. Discord just feels like a black hole of information in comparison. It feels like a ticking time bomb in terms of inevitable enshittification.
Bruh I use Slack for work. If Discord ever create a Enterprise oriented plan with the necessary terms for business use, it's sure as hell I'm going to push for my company to migrate. Discords way of setting up custom channels is a godsend if you're working on a remote first team.
Genuine question since I use Discord mostly for small groups of friends, what are you doing that is causing speed problems? I have never had Discord operate any slower than Teams an I use both daily in different environments.
Lol. In fairness, I imagine Discord and Twitch have a lot of user overlap, and Twitch put some downright brilliant engineering to achieve their speeds.
I wouldn't wish "incoming user just switched tabs from Twitch" on any web developer.
XMPP with XEP 45 > discord