Why was a post about "What's the worst Lemmy community you've run across?" removed due to rule 2 when it seemed kinda weaksause compared to what is normally here?
Just wondering what the limit is on rule 2 as I see things like covid vaccine effect questions, what scams are still around and other spicy topics. Don't want to make anyone upset but it seemed odd.
Asking about the worst Lemmy communities is an easy way to share negative sentiment which has no real value and causes a lot of work for the mods. We're a small team and looking at the comments that had already been posted, it wasn't something that was worth our time to keep up with. Hence rule #2.
I would like to know peoples opinions on communities, what would be your advice on how to ask that here? Also is this the plan going forward to remove any post that could turn into a fight? And what of the people that put the insult comments in? Do they just continue on maybe bullying any post they don't like until it is removed?
The discussion on communities is better suited to !fediverse@lemmy.ml.
See rule #2 - we specifically are careful around offensive topics because we don't have the bandwidth to moderate them carefully. That can mean allowing a conversation to run to see where it goes if one of us has bandwidth - if it goes well, great. If not, it gets locked or removed, depending on the amount of interaction and the tone of the comments. Actively following each thread and removing comments as they come up isn't possible due to bandwidth and tools, so it's a question of looking at the value to the community and overall tone.
A post that is unnecessarily provocative or won't lead to a good discussion is generally removed early.
Regarding bullying, that's very much on our radar. There isn't a hard and fast rule and needs to be dealt with on a per situation basis.
Feel free to take a look at the mod log (link is in the sidebar) for examples of how we handle tougher conversations.
why are you going to bat for someone posting provocative things because they're upset they got banned for posting anti-homeless bullshit?
How do you figure? I have not even commented on any bullshit, just want to know if and how I can without being approached by pickforks. I would also be asking questions if it was the other way around.
I'm the only hexbear in this post. There's no pitchforks yet.
The post removed misrepresented itself, the premise being they had a bad time on a post on hexbear wherein they were reprimanded for anti-homeless rhetoric. you are now trying to relitigate this, adding yet another needless layer to everything. Why?
You both seemed to have made a big deal of it them here and you guys on dunk tank. I was am just trying to figure out why one gets pulled right when people started to engage with it and the other is still up. I think they did answer my question satisfactory so I would say that was the reason why.
Also what is a "volcel police" as I am not down with hippity and the hoppity?
we enjoy it as much as you, I don't think we're the ones stoking the flames here though.
the "other one in the dunk tank" is hosted on the hexbear instance, not here on asklemmy.ml, they're not run by the same moderators.
Oh I get the different instances and mods at play, and I would have made a similar post over on hexbear asking about it if the situation was reversed. I might feel my brain cells dying when reading stuff on the dunk tank but I still think people should be aloud to make posts.
the premise was bad and facilitated inflammatory interaction, just as with this post, and was removed. I don't see the issue here
Just with this post? What are you implying here?
I am implying that you're continuing an already dealt with problem, that being an unnecessary complaint about a necessary mod decision on another instance. What's up with that?
The point of places like lemmy is to do just this? I get we are just going back and forth here but I asked a question (that was answered yes) not make a complaint. I don't think making a complaint was wrong ether (hence the question). You can stop responding whenever you wish, as can I, and I don't have an issue with communicating with you but somehow you seem to find it a problem?
'Anti-homeless' = they said the transit authorities should crack down on people smoking meth on the train and who generally make commutes unsafe and uncomfortable for passengers.
Are you people going to chase this poor person all over this damn site? Get a grip lol.
No, thats not what they said. They used specific words and they provided an entirely different meaning. You've even replaced very important keywords.
I'm the person who commented this. I took the train in LA for a long time since I want to stop using cars. My experiences there with the lack of security made me realize why hardly anyone takes it. My problem was with the smoking meth part. All I got for my trouble was someone accusing me of not really living there and a ban before I could explain myself.
I've alread apologized about the way I said it and tried to clarify yet all I get is more hate and people saying to let them smoke it in peace. Hardly anyone wants to have a real good faith dialogue and instead just reactively dunked on me for uttering the word "homeless" for someone who is clearly doing illegal things in public. If a single adjective is enough to be considered inflammatory then I'm worried we'll ever be able to have civil discourse that goes beyond an echo chamber.
The comment didn't appear to be good faith dialogue. If you thought it did, that would explain your confusion. No one owes you any sort of good faith dialogue after that point. You take the lesson about being less careless with words and they can have their strict peace. I don't see the value in the complaints and whining after that point. It seemed like you had a particular axe to grind with one specific event and chose to try and goad them elsewhere. Why else call a bunch of far leftists conservatives if not trying to kick the bees nest. Your whole approach with your question was extremely intentional to try and attack them. It was not done harmlessly and it was even kind of childish.
Not everyone needs to like you. You will gain nothing of value and simply add negativity into the world with your continual pestering about it. Like what is even your end goal? What do you want to actually happen?
Give us the quotes then. You are interpreting them in the worst possible way, rather than how the average person who has to commute would.
It wasn't drug users. It was homeless people. It's in the screenshot that's on this forum. He said they should be chasing homeless people off the trains. "Clarification" was later. It was pointed out to him homeless people and drug users aren't even one and the same (a poor mistake I saw you made in your comment as well).
If you didn't even see the comments, why are you defending them? You're interpreting them (oddly without having seen them I guess) in a braindead way to assume no malice or negativity were in the comments.
Co-signed
It's bait to attract and create a negative space.
I'm guessing because OP was lying about his interaction with hexbear and their removed comments as well as that post were posted as a screenshot to hexbear. There was probably a huge flood of hexbear comments calling them out and the mods figured it would be easier to just remove the post.
Just my guess.
But I read those interactions and I did not see anything there that was misrepresented. I guess I am wondering why not just remove the insult comments as they broke the rules instead of nuking the whole thing?
My guess is that it's just an equation of energy input and time spent. Is it worth removing the problem comments if they keep coming back? How much time as a mod are you willing to spend removing and banning people like that? I can understand taking the approach they did. Personally, I think maybe just locking the thread would've been a better compromise. But I'm not a mod here nor would I want to be lol
Is it weird I hope its due to laziness? Like I get it, moderating a potential dumpster fire and all, but it does give a lot of power and potential for bullying content.
that post had 5 comments, 2 were hexbears. Here's the post in response detailing why they were banned from the comm they claim to have had a bad time with
Yes I read that as well, I thought it was a bit silly and did not really think the dunk tank was looking good. I would say that was a bad time, and the 2 hexbear comments where just straight insults (rule 2) but the whole post is pulled. Does this mean any hexbear can just comment nasty style and the whole post gets pulled?
one was an insult. Do you think the post was removed for insulting comments, or for insulting premise?
That is what I am asking. There was 2 insults and 3 supporting comments with a positive overall vote. I want to know if it was nuked due to the post itself or the comments.
Initially the post itself and confirmed by the comments. Mod tools on Lemmy are very simple and I didn't have time or interest in babysitting a thread that was already looking for a negative, unhelpful discussion. If you really want this discussion, try !fediverse@lemmy.ml.
At the end of the day, it was a mod judgements call about the type of content we want to see on this community.
lol
You can always ask on !asklemmy@lemmy.world , the moderation I'd less strict over there
What? Really they seemed heavy handed lately. I am just more wondering where the line is for this sort of thing. I think questions about communities are likely a good thing for lemmy overall and would like to find out if that was why this was pulled.
The line is that you don't criticise tankies/hexbear on lemmy.ml. They don't take kindly to that sort of thing.
You don’t want to talk about the evils of NATO and the scourge of western imperialism in every single thread? What a lib!
In my experience the .ml version is more heavily moderated, but your mileage may vary
I guess so, its just odd as the reason listed is "Leads to #2" and that seems a bit odd. Love the ability to look these things up, though.
The post in question was obviously loaded. The poster's comments were absolutely out of line with the community in question. There was nothing polite or civil about them and questioning why one wouldn't engage with uncivil discussion is at best ludicrous, at worst, toxic. They then got upset that they suffered consequences and got ragged on for it when they acted all hurt that their actions had consequences.
At no point was there any civil way to engage with the person. If you think they were civil, you have an odd baseline for that. Turning the other cheek isn't a requirement in society. No one needs to deal with toxic people of they don't want to. Honestly, with how hard you're trying and the communication between the two of you, I almost feel like you two are the same person. Like, what happened to the original poster is not mysterious to anyone but them.
Is the post even removed? I was able to view it and comment on it.
This post or the one mentioned? This post is still here, the "What's the worst Lemmy community you've run across?" is not.
I literally just commented on it.
Edit: check my comment history and you can see it. Unless the individual made multiple posts about it I guess?
I can not see anything in your history but these two comments today. And one edit.
Is your instance behind? Cause I have multiple comments in this post as well.
https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/t/371398/What-s-the-worst-Lemmy-community-you-ve-run-across#entry-comment-1885503
Edit: starting to think it might simply exist only elsewhere and not on that instance itself.
Odd that my history doesn't show properly for you as there are even more comments on this post.
Must be something about how kbin works, Thanks for the full original link though.
Kinda weird.