Man, every time I see videos like that, my heart breaks. Those are actual human beings with families, loved ones, hopes and dreams... (I know Russia does much worse things to the other side, but that doesn't change the feeling. Most conscripts are just brainwashed cannon fodder :()
Fuck war so much...
If it helps: their deaths were just.
I've been watching the YouTube channel 1420 where they interview people on the streets of Moscow. Many of them are held hostage too. You can tell that they don't want to speak freely for fear of criminal punishment. One guy even said something to the effect of, "Why don't 100 Americans come over here and protest the war to see what happens." The Russian government quells any form of rebellious organization. To take Putin out of power, it's gonna have to come from the top or a sporadic mass protest after a Bloody Sunday a la 1917 Russian Revolution.
See: Kent State Massacre
Can you elaborate on how that is relevant?
Not OP, but possibly the Kent State massacre was the watershed event that shifted US public opinion about the war.
ah, thank you! that makes sense to me now
@Firipu@Wilshire No. There is internet access in Russia. Every russian knows what's going on.
No pity for the orcs. They come to murder.
That's a very simple way of putting things imo :)
The west also has internet access. Some people still end up hateful/believing in flat earth/conspiracy theories.
That doesn't mean they're bad people, just very misguided.
Unfortunately their misguidance is putting them in a position where they're there to kill Ukranians, and asking nicely didn't get them to not be there.
I think they’re bad people.
@Firipu It is always strange that there are people who pity the perpetrator and not the victim.
The war on Ukraine is not a natural disaster. It is made by russians. Go Figure!
Oh, I feel equally bad, or even worse when I see what happens to Ukrainians. My heart bleeds for what they're going through.
That doesn't mean I can't feel empathy for individual people that get killed in the blink of an eye...
That distinction is completely pointless though. Misguided people murdering people still needs to be stopped, with violence if necessary. And it definitely is necessary when we are talking about them invading another country and murdering its citizens.
Internet ≠Internet. It’s heavily censored and monitored in Russia. They don’t have access to all the information we do. Plus, all other media are brainwashing them with propaganda. Makes it hard to believe if some website tells a completely different story.
However, there are those who stay informed and don’t support the war. They just can’t do it openly.
Would they not pull the trigger all the same if the situations were reversed?
Oh yeah, absolutely. And I'd feel horrible for the human being on the other side of the scope... I'm talking about the actual human being with a life being killed. Not the politics behind it.
That doesn't mean I'm justifying the atrocities Russia commits or even remotely support their unprovoked attack. Russia is the bad guy, no discussion. But they're still humans and I can still feel bad for the needless loss of human life.
Ugly, justified, but you need respect the professionalism.
Weirdest part of this (y'know, other than the presence of Russian terrorists in Ukraine) is the birds chirping. Two bangs from an extremely loud rifle, and they just carry on like nothing happened.
...or is the audio replaced for opsec or something?
Possibly. The shooter is pretty far from the targets. Looks like at least a full second of flight time before impact. Most big bore rifles are at least 2400 feet per second, so the target is 800+ yards away. That's a hell of a difficult shot, and the way the cross hair is directly on the target leads me to believe this is a computerized scope which is compensating for bullet-drop and windage.
2400 feet per second, so the target is 800+ yards away
731.52+ meters for anyone wondering (2400 feet is apparently the same as 800 yards).
He almost sounds... unhappy? Frustrated? After he takes the first shot and is reloading. This sounds like a guy who doesn't love what he has to do, but knows it needs to happen. I can respect that on a human level.
Man, every time I see videos like that, my heart breaks. Those are actual human beings with families, loved ones, hopes and dreams... (I know Russia does much worse things to the other side, but that doesn't change the feeling. Most conscripts are just brainwashed cannon fodder :()
Fuck war so much...
If it helps: their deaths were just.
I've been watching the YouTube channel 1420 where they interview people on the streets of Moscow. Many of them are held hostage too. You can tell that they don't want to speak freely for fear of criminal punishment. One guy even said something to the effect of, "Why don't 100 Americans come over here and protest the war to see what happens." The Russian government quells any form of rebellious organization. To take Putin out of power, it's gonna have to come from the top or a sporadic mass protest after a Bloody Sunday a la 1917 Russian Revolution.
See: Kent State Massacre
Can you elaborate on how that is relevant?
Not OP, but possibly the Kent State massacre was the watershed event that shifted US public opinion about the war.
ah, thank you! that makes sense to me now
@Firipu @Wilshire No. There is internet access in Russia. Every russian knows what's going on.
No pity for the orcs. They come to murder.
That's a very simple way of putting things imo :)
The west also has internet access. Some people still end up hateful/believing in flat earth/conspiracy theories.
That doesn't mean they're bad people, just very misguided.
Unfortunately their misguidance is putting them in a position where they're there to kill Ukranians, and asking nicely didn't get them to not be there.
I think they’re bad people.
@Firipu It is always strange that there are people who pity the perpetrator and not the victim.
The war on Ukraine is not a natural disaster. It is made by russians. Go Figure!
Oh, I feel equally bad, or even worse when I see what happens to Ukrainians. My heart bleeds for what they're going through.
That doesn't mean I can't feel empathy for individual people that get killed in the blink of an eye...
That distinction is completely pointless though. Misguided people murdering people still needs to be stopped, with violence if necessary. And it definitely is necessary when we are talking about them invading another country and murdering its citizens.
Internet ≠Internet. It’s heavily censored and monitored in Russia. They don’t have access to all the information we do. Plus, all other media are brainwashing them with propaganda. Makes it hard to believe if some website tells a completely different story.
However, there are those who stay informed and don’t support the war. They just can’t do it openly.
what can i say except quote general Sherman:
Would they not pull the trigger all the same if the situations were reversed?
Oh yeah, absolutely. And I'd feel horrible for the human being on the other side of the scope... I'm talking about the actual human being with a life being killed. Not the politics behind it.
That doesn't mean I'm justifying the atrocities Russia commits or even remotely support their unprovoked attack. Russia is the bad guy, no discussion. But they're still humans and I can still feel bad for the needless loss of human life.
Ugly, justified, but you need respect the professionalism.
Weirdest part of this (y'know, other than the presence of Russian terrorists in Ukraine) is the birds chirping. Two bangs from an extremely loud rifle, and they just carry on like nothing happened.
...or is the audio replaced for opsec or something?
Possibly. The shooter is pretty far from the targets. Looks like at least a full second of flight time before impact. Most big bore rifles are at least 2400 feet per second, so the target is 800+ yards away. That's a hell of a difficult shot, and the way the cross hair is directly on the target leads me to believe this is a computerized scope which is compensating for bullet-drop and windage.
731.52+ meters for anyone wondering (2400 feet is apparently the same as 800 yards).
He almost sounds... unhappy? Frustrated? After he takes the first shot and is reloading. This sounds like a guy who doesn't love what he has to do, but knows it needs to happen. I can respect that on a human level.
Miss Pavlichenko would be so proud. (She was Ukrainian.)
I can't watch Streamable in Firefox on Android. I can't be the only one
It works on my phone with Firefox on Android, but for some people it doesn't. I'm not sure what the cause is.
This video is so calming and ASMR inducing.