Why is the government targeting incels?locked
You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS.
They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.
I share a lot of my experience here.
https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel
My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?
Blaming others for all your problems is a strong risk factor for doing violence to others. Grow up, get a fucking grip, and you'll be fine.
but incels.is = dhs
Have you LOOKED at the recent shooters?
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/26/1196195934/jacksonville-florida-dollar-store-shooting
White male, early 20s, lives with mom and dad, writing manifestos... Why SHOULDN'T the authorities be looking at incels?
that's a recipe for civil liberties violations
I lived by myself until feds harassed me from my secure job (back in early 2022) and then started subjecting me to sleep deprivation this year.
Friend, I recommend you consider visiting the hospital. There's a high chance you have an undiagnosed condition that they can help you with and make your life much easier. That you think the government is interfering with your sleep is a paranoid delusion, but it's very controllable.
Yes, I understand that you believe that and that I can't convince you otherwise. I am a nurse, however, and am assuring you that you will receive help for it at a hospital. It's not something I can help you with though.
dissidents have often marked as crazy by governments. indeed, they often take a hand in driving that person crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
Yeah, but zersetzung was used against credible political targets. Not against some random guy that can't get laid.
I'm not a random guy who can't get laid. I spoke forthrightly about incel macro issues, got put on a watchlist, am subjected to intrusive monitoring and fed harassment (sleep deprivation, various other things) etc etc.
None of those things happened because no one cares that you talked about incel macro issues
are you saying you are privy to why they really happened (and you acknowledge that they happened?)
In the end, you choose the route you'll take. My recommendation is to check yourself in to get help before you spiral into a real crisis. Government or not, if you can't sleep you're going to need to go somewhere for help eventually.
Friend, you need professional help
And how did they do that exactly?
They've shutdown all incel spaces across the web and worked with tech platforms like reddit to likewise ban incel spaces. They set up honeypot forums in their place operated by feds so ANY would be incel poster gets scrutinized. When the person ends up in that space and says something a fed doesn't like, they're immediately hacked and subject to NSA tools. I became aware of this when, a month or so after posting on incels.is, I started receiving "advice" based on content retrieved from my phone! It goes much further than that -- they use metrics to see what threads a reader (not even a user) clicks on and then hack that user. They are often surprised that so many of their readers clicking on violent-endorsing threads by the larping feds end up being women. 😆
And how did that cause you to lose your job and sleep?
explained upthread jackass
Except no one is doing sonic attacks on your apartment. Insomnia is linked to schizophrenia and can make schizophrenia worse.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4855992/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5614792/
https://www.healthline.com/health/schizophrenia/schizophrenia-and-sleep
https://www.sleephealthfoundation.org.au/schizophrenia-and-sleep.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920996419305237
Considering the resources the government has, they can induce insomnia on an individual in order to get them labeled as schizo, and as I was (am) under intrusive monitoring that might've been just the intention so I end up hospitalized and deprived of 2nd amendment rights. Assholes. Indeed, from the FBI's "Making Prevention a Reality" report, they pretty much say they desire an individual get involuntarily committed solely to deprive them of 2nd amendment rights. That's very close to saying they'll undertake action to have that outcome.
That would be an incredibly bad idea as most people with insomnia do not have schizophrenia
...just the ones they want to drive to the madhouse.
To be clear, you cannot be held without a judge's order even if you go in voluntarily. They will not keep you for long and based on your symptoms may not even admit you but instead give you resources to use after visiting the ER. I think you're in a good position to head in before a real crisis that will get you involuntarily committed.
For sure, but you can drive someone to insanity by depriving them of sleep. I say I am subject to intrusive monitoring. I realize that if I try to express this to normal everyday people, I will come off as schizo. On top of that to be going around sleepless -- a mental zombie -- is going to make me look crazier, and make everyone around me think I'm a loon. Maybe this leaves a "trail" of mental-health issue history that, should I snap in public or something, can be used to commit me.
But that's more work than they need to do to discredit or lock someone up. It makes no sense for them to do that to you. It's much more likely you have a health condition.
but they did and it happened. also incels.is = dhs. incels are subject to political repression.
Get help man
I need sincere help in spreading the fact that incels.is -- and their network of related forums -- are run by DHS.
Thoughts and prayers!
Yikes dude
yikes indeed. that it has come to silencing incels and repressing enough -- and that incels.is = dhs -- is very much a yikes.
edit: added archive link
They target a lot of groups.
They target "lone-actors", most likely due to asocial behavior and more extreme view points.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210325054915/https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OPSR_TP_TEVUS_Comparing-Lone-Actor-Terrorism_Hate-Crimes_Group-Terrorism_2013-508.pdf
Direct Link: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OPSR_TP_TEVUS_Comparing-Lone-Actor-Terrorism_Hate-Crimes_Group-Terrorism_2013-508.pdf
what's so extreme about the emergent polygyny hypothesis which I enthusiastically endorse? that's just going after people for their 1st amendment rights. also the larping feds at that dhs run website themselves encourage extremist rhetoric
Understanding the ideologies that motivate and support ideological crimes is a pretty useful step for preventing those crimes; also for investigating them once they happen. Same goes for (e.g.) violent religious movements, white-supremacist gangs, etc.
I have no problem with that but incels.is = DHS and violates the civil liberties of its unaware users (who in fact never see content from people like themselves.)
It’s not fair for the government to target anyone who hasn’t broken the law.
I think it's a little fair to monitor groups that border on the edge of committing crimes to make sure they don't. If someone is going around saying they're going to kill people, even if they haven't, I'd keep a fucking eye on them.
Considering how much rhetoric incels and well known terrorist groups share, it doesn't seem unreasonable why they are included on terrorist watch lists.
Let's not forget the mass killings perpetrated by and celebrated by incels. They are an extremist group and should be monitored as such.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/toronto-van-murders-court-victim-2018-attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189
https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-incel-pleads-guilty-plotting-mass-shooting-women/story?id=91388041
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-man-promoting-incel-ideology-charged-allegedly-threatening-teens-n1189206
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/incel-threat-secret-service-report/
The Ohio case was one were feds encouraged that guy up until the point were he was going to do something. In fact, he posted on incels.is and the feds there trump up that one case as a huge victory justifying their work. But they duped him and were egging him on. The California guy didn't actually do anything. There has been one verifiable incel related mass shooting -- Elliot Rodger, and that has been used to tarnish the whole community from a place of distaste. Feminists get to tarnish an emergent group that gives them the jeebies and feds get work to replace the dwindling War on Terror. Indeed, feds control the entirety of the incelosphere now and they self-servingly define it as a place of violence and radicalism. Some soros funded outfit that goes by the name of "Center for Countering Digital Hate" did a report on the incelsophere some months back -- but they based their report on incels.is, which is operated by feds. This is straight up lying.
Yeah, the FBI has caught bombers by monitoring them before the bombers were able to break the law.
Secretely surveiled them right up until they dropped the duffel bag on the sidewalk.
My memory isn't great right now, but I think I recall reading somewhere that they catch over a hundred would-be bombers a year.
It goes beyond secret surveillance though -- creepy enough as that is. If one were unaware of being surveilled that's one thing but they let you know so they can take credit for "prevention" even if that person wasn't going to do anything wrong. So essentially put in an open air prison without trial.
Ah... So that's what you're saying.
Well I can believe it. The CIA once tried to murder Fidel Castro with, like, shaving cream or something one time. Our agencies can go back and forth from "we are a daunting, all-knowing panopticon" into "hi, we're the Keystone Cops" a dozen times in a weekend.
If that's the case, and they're targeting someone who didn't even get in that deep, then: ouch. My condolences. I hope you if you really aren't a threat that they figure out they aren't needed anymore.
Yes but they defined a certain perspective as irredeemably linked to violence, even if that perspective is sociologically true. It's straight up repression. I'm not the one who mandated that the sexual revolution devolve into polygynous mating habits rendering many men partnerless.
what does monitoring entail? it's one thing if the person is unaware of it but they also let the person know. that's putting them in prison without trial. also that incels = violent is charged up rhetoric meant to invalidate their perspective.
I haven't said I was going to kill people.
they essentially put people in an open air prison (subject to intrusive monitoring) for merely sharing a perspective deemed objectionable by elites who think that perspective becoming commonplace isn't in their interest.