Only initial thoughts are why in their right mind are they using windows on a handheld device
Linux gaming
Windows 11 desktop
Is there device support for Linux?
Looking at the thumbnail, I'm assuming they're using the guts from a framework laptop: https://frame.work/linux
Of course, that doesn't say anything about the display or controls, but it's a solid maybe.
It is a framework mainboard. The display is almost certainly connected via displayport on one of the framework usb-c ports, so that should be fine, and I'm pretty sure they mention the game pads are Bluetooth. There should be no issues running Linux on this.
@thejevans@DoomBot5 crazy to think that popos and other Linux distributions don’t run on Framework
@Privatepower42@thejevans@DoomBot5
They most likely do, and without any problems. They're just not *officially* supported; you can't ask for support if there's an issue.
They officially supported the two largest user distros. Beyond that, there are community supported distros. I can't imagine it would be too hard to get other supported ones on there if someone wanted to maintain it.
Thought the same thing, just wondering what the DIY kit might end up costing. I'm also curious to see what would happen if you put in one of the newer 8 core AMD mainboards that frameworks is working on
What I worry about is the developer kneecapping the whole thing by not releasing design files and BOMs for 3D prints and PCBs under an open source license. The point of a device like this is going to be longevity, upgradability, and repairability. Having to rely on some dude to keep making a kit is completely antithetical to that. I love the idea of being able to repurpose my framework parts in different ways as I upgrade, but I won't be jumping to buy a kit that I can't trust to be available a year later.
Thr 7840U is core config wise, the same as the Asus ROG Ally with the Z1 Extreme, just different clocks/binning. (Handhelds are drsigned for 10w handheld use, and 15-30w docked)
The 7840u is designed for 15-30w, but is meant for the 30w usecase. Other chinese pc handhelds like the Ayaneo Air 1s or the GPD Win 4 Pro already use the 7840u im their designs.
cool, guess that means it'll be competitive with the asus, especially when you factor in the repairability
So I don't game a lot and I'm not sure what that car driving game is, but I noticed at ~1:30 his left thumb is moving all over the place and the car keeps driving in a straight line? It doesn't seem like any of his hand/finger movements match what's on the screen, am I crazy?
It looks like the rally game Dirt and can confirm that keeping the Ford Sierra Cosworth in a straight line can be a challenge!
and on dirt? that's pretty much impossible. That guy's good.
Yeah I think I agree. Honestly, owning a Framework 12 main board I was kind of shocked at how good the graphics were for this guy (it's just Intel integrated which suuucks, though to be fair I've barely tried gaming on my Framework). I'm wondering if he's just playing a video to show more proof-of-concept (not super dishonest, as Framework is going to soon release a Ryzen mainboard that is expected to have pretty reasonable graphics built in)
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either but I also don't look at my thumbs when playing driving games.
Why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't I what?
Only initial thoughts are why in their right mind are they using windows on a handheld device
This is a Linux circle jerking community, so naturally Windows bad.
Windows is bad for handheld gaming devices since it is not built to be used in such a way. There is a rumor that a handheld gaming version is on the way for Windows, but as of right now SteamOS is the only widely available mobile gaming OS available.
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Windows because it will cost Framework or whoever it is a lot to do it Valve style - coming out with your own distro, support it and yeah the proton issue. If it will run only Linux games, that market will be minuscule.
I mean, you're not wrong, but I'm pretty sure Valve would allow other companies to download SteamOS for their own platform. You can already do it yourself for free.
@HRDS_654
Not to mention the main functional part: proton doesn't only work on SteamOS @Ecology8622
Is there device support for Linux?
Looking at the thumbnail, I'm assuming they're using the guts from a framework laptop: https://frame.work/linux
Of course, that doesn't say anything about the display or controls, but it's a solid maybe.
It is a framework mainboard. The display is almost certainly connected via displayport on one of the framework usb-c ports, so that should be fine, and I'm pretty sure they mention the game pads are Bluetooth. There should be no issues running Linux on this.
@thejevans @DoomBot5 crazy to think that popos and other Linux distributions don’t run on Framework
@Privatepower42 @thejevans @DoomBot5
They most likely do, and without any problems. They're just not *officially* supported; you can't ask for support if there's an issue.
They officially supported the two largest user distros. Beyond that, there are community supported distros. I can't imagine it would be too hard to get other supported ones on there if someone wanted to maintain it.
I would think so given that the mainboard runs well with Linux but I'm not about everything else
Wow, this looks cool as fuck.
Thought the same thing, just wondering what the DIY kit might end up costing. I'm also curious to see what would happen if you put in one of the newer 8 core AMD mainboards that frameworks is working on
What I worry about is the developer kneecapping the whole thing by not releasing design files and BOMs for 3D prints and PCBs under an open source license. The point of a device like this is going to be longevity, upgradability, and repairability. Having to rely on some dude to keep making a kit is completely antithetical to that. I love the idea of being able to repurpose my framework parts in different ways as I upgrade, but I won't be jumping to buy a kit that I can't trust to be available a year later.
Thr 7840U is core config wise, the same as the Asus ROG Ally with the Z1 Extreme, just different clocks/binning. (Handhelds are drsigned for 10w handheld use, and 15-30w docked)
The 7840u is designed for 15-30w, but is meant for the 30w usecase. Other chinese pc handhelds like the Ayaneo Air 1s or the GPD Win 4 Pro already use the 7840u im their designs.
cool, guess that means it'll be competitive with the asus, especially when you factor in the repairability
So I don't game a lot and I'm not sure what that car driving game is, but I noticed at ~1:30 his left thumb is moving all over the place and the car keeps driving in a straight line? It doesn't seem like any of his hand/finger movements match what's on the screen, am I crazy?
It looks like the rally game Dirt and can confirm that keeping the Ford Sierra Cosworth in a straight line can be a challenge!
and on dirt? that's pretty much impossible. That guy's good.
Yeah I think I agree. Honestly, owning a Framework 12 main board I was kind of shocked at how good the graphics were for this guy (it's just Intel integrated which suuucks, though to be fair I've barely tried gaming on my Framework). I'm wondering if he's just playing a video to show more proof-of-concept (not super dishonest, as Framework is going to soon release a Ryzen mainboard that is expected to have pretty reasonable graphics built in)
@festus @BaconIsAVeg AMD advantage!!
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either but I also don't look at my thumbs when playing driving games.
Why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't I what?
This is a Linux circle jerking community, so naturally Windows bad.
Windows is bad for handheld gaming devices since it is not built to be used in such a way. There is a rumor that a handheld gaming version is on the way for Windows, but as of right now SteamOS is the only widely available mobile gaming OS available.
👆
Windows because it will cost Framework or whoever it is a lot to do it Valve style - coming out with your own distro, support it and yeah the proton issue. If it will run only Linux games, that market will be minuscule.
I mean, you're not wrong, but I'm pretty sure Valve would allow other companies to download SteamOS for their own platform. You can already do it yourself for free.
@HRDS_654
Not to mention the main functional part: proton doesn't only work on SteamOS
@Ecology8622