From the article: OLED and MicroLED are the future
Now if I could just a "dumb" TV that doesn't have a bunch of built in apps, which apparently is now a huge ask. I just want my TV to display whatever HDMI port is currently selected. Not nag me about connecting it to WiFi every time I turn it on.
Look into commercial displays. They are meant for store fronts and guest areas. These screens are typically built a bit more robust than consumer TVs. They may only have one of each input ports, may lack soundboard and built-in tuners, but they have sleeker designs and lack smartTV bloatware. You may need more peripheral equipment for the screen to function as a home use TV. Just do a little research and see if this works for your setup.
This might not be a solution that fits your needs, but personally this is why I buy computer monitors instead of TVs now
But then how would they get that sweet sweet metric data they can resell? Think of the megacorps!
That's great, it means LCD TVs have hit maturation point.
I have been reading about MicroLEDs for years now, never bought any OLED because of the burn-in. I'm curious when MicroLEDs will actually hit the mass-market and at what price-point and also how they will scale for smaller screens.
I've had my QD-OLED for a little while now and it has had quite a bit of static images on it without any trouble. From what I read before I bought it, OLEDs in general really don't have a burn-in issue like the early models did.
From what I can tell they're better than even plasma was at the end. And you'd have trouble actively trying to get permanent burn in on some later model plasmas. I used to service TVs and appliances. In most cases outside of using a plasma display for digital signage, I'd be able to run a swiping pattern for a little bit to get rid of the image retention. The only exception I really had for a plasma that was used in a residence was an older couple who didn't have a widescreen source and only watched shows in 4:3 aspect ratio. They finally got the HD channels from their TV provider and realized they had the bars on the sides burned in (really the screen aged unevenly).
I'd love to have an OLED tv. I just need a good reason to get one. The tv I have now works just fine (unfortunately).
Let me try to improve it. That thing will be broken in no time.
Can they please just bring back actual buttons instead of invisible tap points where you can't tell where the fuck they are?
No. You'll suffer the invisible tap points because they can advertise that feature and ship more units.
How do you fuck up televisions? It's the simplest thing and these corporations just need to fucking meddle.
wow, this whole comments thread is just like reddit. love it, keep the faith ya'll!!
I am going to skip LCD tvs altogether. Right now I am still using my first hd tv, a Plasma TV from 2008, and when I replace it, it will likely be with an OLED.
I really hope microLED takes off in the near future. It's basically OLED on steroids, all of its advantages without the risk of screen burn-in. It's just too expensive right now...
What about Hisense with the U8H Class are they using microled(they call it miniled)? this Tv is not that expensive compared with other brands and tbh the image quality in the high-end models are awesome.
MicroLED requires each pixel to be its own light source (same with OLED). MiniLED is marketing for a fairly dense array of backlight zones on an LCD panel.
thanks for the info!
Fair enough. LCD is very old technology at this point, dating back to the 1960s.
Of course, LEDs aren't exactly new either, but microscopic LEDs bright enough to be used as pixels certainly are.
Man I'm still rocking my Samsung plasma TV from 2011. No need to heat the house with the amount that TV gives off but still works great.
LCD TVs can still improve via faster refresh rates, strolling backlights, and smaller local dimming zones. If the last part can be made small enough, then it would be very hard to tell the difference between an LCD screen and a emissive display. These facts shouldn't be ignored by display companies.
The problem is that we are reaching a point where it is cheaper to achieve the same or better results with OLED or microLED than by dumping even more money into improving LCD.
We are already at a point where OLED provides a straight up better value than LCD in higher end price brackets as long as peak brightness is not your #1 priority.
I'm going to have see a display that truly solves the burn-in problem before making that proclamation.
Dimming zones creat halo affects when there white next to black. Source: typing on my 12.9 iPad lcd with dimming zones.
The smaller the dimming zones, the lesser this effect becomes. Theoretically, you can have dimming zones of just 1 pixel in size. People have even "succeeded" in doing this by bonding two LCD panels together, with one acting as the local dimming solution.
Now if I could just a "dumb" TV that doesn't have a bunch of built in apps, which apparently is now a huge ask. I just want my TV to display whatever HDMI port is currently selected. Not nag me about connecting it to WiFi every time I turn it on.
Look into commercial displays. They are meant for store fronts and guest areas. These screens are typically built a bit more robust than consumer TVs. They may only have one of each input ports, may lack soundboard and built-in tuners, but they have sleeker designs and lack smartTV bloatware. You may need more peripheral equipment for the screen to function as a home use TV. Just do a little research and see if this works for your setup.
This might not be a solution that fits your needs, but personally this is why I buy computer monitors instead of TVs now
But then how would they get that sweet sweet metric data they can resell? Think of the megacorps!
That's great, it means LCD TVs have hit maturation point.
I have been reading about MicroLEDs for years now, never bought any OLED because of the burn-in. I'm curious when MicroLEDs will actually hit the mass-market and at what price-point and also how they will scale for smaller screens.
I've had my QD-OLED for a little while now and it has had quite a bit of static images on it without any trouble. From what I read before I bought it, OLEDs in general really don't have a burn-in issue like the early models did.
From what I can tell they're better than even plasma was at the end. And you'd have trouble actively trying to get permanent burn in on some later model plasmas. I used to service TVs and appliances. In most cases outside of using a plasma display for digital signage, I'd be able to run a swiping pattern for a little bit to get rid of the image retention. The only exception I really had for a plasma that was used in a residence was an older couple who didn't have a widescreen source and only watched shows in 4:3 aspect ratio. They finally got the HD channels from their TV provider and realized they had the bars on the sides burned in (really the screen aged unevenly).
I'd love to have an OLED tv. I just need a good reason to get one. The tv I have now works just fine (unfortunately).
Let me try to improve it. That thing will be broken in no time.
Can they please just bring back actual buttons instead of invisible tap points where you can't tell where the fuck they are?
No. You'll suffer the invisible tap points because they can advertise that feature and ship more units.
How do you fuck up televisions? It's the simplest thing and these corporations just need to fucking meddle.
wow, this whole comments thread is just like reddit. love it, keep the faith ya'll!!
I am going to skip LCD tvs altogether. Right now I am still using my first hd tv, a Plasma TV from 2008, and when I replace it, it will likely be with an OLED.
I really hope microLED takes off in the near future. It's basically OLED on steroids, all of its advantages without the risk of screen burn-in. It's just too expensive right now...
What about Hisense with the U8H Class are they using microled(they call it miniled)? this Tv is not that expensive compared with other brands and tbh the image quality in the high-end models are awesome.
MicroLED requires each pixel to be its own light source (same with OLED). MiniLED is marketing for a fairly dense array of backlight zones on an LCD panel.
thanks for the info!
Fair enough. LCD is very old technology at this point, dating back to the 1960s.
Of course, LEDs aren't exactly new either, but microscopic LEDs bright enough to be used as pixels certainly are.
Man I'm still rocking my Samsung plasma TV from 2011. No need to heat the house with the amount that TV gives off but still works great.
LCD TVs can still improve via faster refresh rates, strolling backlights, and smaller local dimming zones. If the last part can be made small enough, then it would be very hard to tell the difference between an LCD screen and a emissive display. These facts shouldn't be ignored by display companies.
The problem is that we are reaching a point where it is cheaper to achieve the same or better results with OLED or microLED than by dumping even more money into improving LCD.
We are already at a point where OLED provides a straight up better value than LCD in higher end price brackets as long as peak brightness is not your #1 priority.
I'm going to have see a display that truly solves the burn-in problem before making that proclamation.
Dimming zones creat halo affects when there white next to black. Source: typing on my 12.9 iPad lcd with dimming zones.
The smaller the dimming zones, the lesser this effect becomes. Theoretically, you can have dimming zones of just 1 pixel in size. People have even "succeeded" in doing this by bonding two LCD panels together, with one acting as the local dimming solution.