Turkey says UK minehunters can’t be sent to Ukraine
politico.eu
Two British minehunter ships destined for Ukraine cannot travel through Turkish waters, Ankara stressed Tuesday, citing an international pact.
U.K. Defense Secretary Grant Shapps announced last month that Ukraine's armed forces had struck a deal to procure the Sandown Class vessels from Britain's Royal Navy as the war-torn country grapples with Russia's continued blockade of the Black Sea.
But Turkey confirmed it had informed its NATO allies that the ships would not be allowed to travel through its waters.
Turkey ass pieces of shit.
Turkey has long prevented warships from transiting the Bosporus Strait in wartime.
I wouldn’t want warships passing my capital city either.
They're minesweepers. That's like an unwarship.
I’m sure Russia considers it a military target and would have no compunction about targeting it with cruise missiles at it passes through a city with 15 million people.
Are you saying the Russians would target a boat filled with Brits in Turkey's waters? Because that sounds like an Article 5 moment. Hell, even if Ukraine takes control of the boats in England, attacking them in Turkish waters is a terrible idea.
Turkey is not obligated to invite an attack by Russia, even if it would be suicidal.
This is just Turkey continuing a decades-old policy.
The "why do you make me hit you?" of war justifications.
That would be Russia's fault, not the UK's or Ukraine's - and there is no end to the road of attempting Russian appeasement.
Ankara's their capital, but you're right to point out that this is nothing new.
The policy also ensures that no additional Russian warships get into the Black Sea.
Look up the Montreux Convention.
The Montreux Convention does not prevent ships from returning to their ports. Which is presumably exactly what ships they acquired are doing. Returning to their new port.
The fuck does "returning to new port" mean? You don't fucking return to a new port. Stop trying to interpret even the agreements your ancestors put in place just because they don't suit how dumb of a move you did today. Internstional agreements aren't there to be imposed on others and lifted for you whenever you like.
As the other commenter said, there were and are alternatives. Should have utilized them. Turkey is keeping to the agreement, as it did when the matter was Russian warships last year. Were you crying for Russian warships then?
Ships have a home port, as defined by the owner of the ship. If a ship is sold, it would typically get a new home port, owned by the new owner.
All of Ukraine’s ports are in the Black Sea. Hence any ship owned by Ukraine not currently in the Black Sea is sailing back to port.
Why is that hard to understand?
Russia has several deep water ports outside of the Black Sea. It’s a slightly different ballgame, wouldn’t you agree?
One cannot “return” to a new “home”.
You can return to your old home, or move to a new one.
Really? If you buy a house, the closing happens at the bank, then you can’t return to your home?
Of course you can.
That would be returning to somewhere you have been before.
You cannot return to somewhere you have not been.
That’s semantics - you aren’t a lawyer obviously. Nor, I imagine have you actually read the convention.
Around February 27–28, Turkey refused permission for three out of four Russian warships to enter the Black Sea as their home base was not on the Black Sea.
Surely these two new ships home base is in fact the Black Sea.
Dunno why you're dying on this hill when it literally says in the article that nobody expected the ships to be allowed to travel to the Black Sea. It's almost like the experts know more than some anonymous armchair expert on Lemmy...
Nobody expected it because turkey is governed by a tyrant who sucks.
And he won’t do anything until he gets his pound of flesh whatever it may be. Just like with the Sweden and Finland joining NATO.
Nobody expected it because there is a literal convention preventing it. Sure, Erdogan is a cunt, but this isn't the first time Turkey has denied passage. They've done it to Russia. They've done it to the US. And for all your talk of Erdogan wanting his pound of flesh, nobody is stupid enough to go up against the US defence forces unless they have very solid backing for their stance. Which the convention gives them. This scenario would be completely different if they were making exceptions for some but not others, but they're not.
UK sends two ship after two years - good guys
Turkey sends hundereds of Bayraktars on day 1 - ass pieces of shit
Turkey's balancing act to keep its Russian ties is very disappointing.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
LONDON — Two British minehunter ships destined for Ukraine cannot travel through Turkish waters, Ankara stressed Tuesday, citing an international pact.
U.K. Defense Secretary Grant Shapps announced last month that Ukraine's armed forces had struck a deal to procure the Sandown Class vessels from Britain's Royal Navy as the war-torn country grapples with Russia's continued blockade of the Black Sea.
"Our pertinent allies have been duly apprised that the mine-hunting ships donated to Ukraine by the United Kingdom will not be allowed to pass through the Turkish Straits to the Black Sea as long as the war continues," a statement from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's communications directorate said.
The Turkish statement — challenging what it called "disinformation about U.K. mine-hunting ships" — stressed that the Turkish Straits are closed to Russian and Ukrainian warships while the conflict between the two countries continues, citing the Montreux Convention of 1936 which governs maritime traffic through those waters.
Approached for comment, a U.K. Ministry of Defense spokesperson pointed to a press conference by Shapps in London last month at which Ukrainian Admiral Oleksiy Neizhpapa said the vessels could not yet be brought to the Black Sea because of the pact.
But Neizhpapa also noted the ships would still have lots of work to do once the Russia-Ukraine war ends given the ongoing threat of mines in the Black Sea.
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