The unsealed documents in the Epstein case have been released.
Epstein didn’t kill himself
The list: (on mobile, did my best to fix formatting, I am not fixing line breaks)
Andrew Albert Christian Edwards, -Prince Andrew
James Michael Austrich
Eva Andersson
Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstain’s home in Florida
Janusz Banasiak
Victoria Bean
Rebecca Boylan
Dana Burns
Jean Luc Brunel
Cate Blanchett
Naomi Campbell
Sharon Churcher
Bill Clinton
David Copperfield
John Connelly
Alan Dershowitz
Dr Mona Devansean, -treated Virgina Roberts
Dr Chris Donahue, treated Virgina Roberts
Leonardo DiCaprio
Cameron Diaz
Glenn and Eva Dublin
Ron Eppinger
Daniel Estes
Annie Farmer, accused Epstein of sexual assault
Louis Freeh
Alexandra Fekkai
Fredrick Fekkai
Jo Jo Fontanella
Crstyal Figueroa
Tony Figuerioa
Eric Gany
Meg Garvin
Sheridan Gibson-Butte
Ross Gow, Maxwell’s press agent
Al Gore
Fred Graff
Robert Guiffre
Philip Guderyon
Alexandra Hall
Dr Carol Hayek
Dr John Harris, -treated Virgina Roberts
Joanna Harrison
Shannon Harrison
Stephen Hawking
Victoria Hazel
Brittany Henderson
Brett Jaffe
Michael Jackson
Forest Jones
Sarah Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant
Carol Kess
Dr Karen Kutikoff
Paul Lavery
Dr Steven Olson
Stephen Kaufmann
Wendy Leigh
Dr Judith Lightfoot
Peter Listerman
Tom Lyons
Dr Darshanee Majaliyana,- treated Virgina Roberts
Nadia Marcinkova
Bob Meister
Jamie Melanson
Lynn Miller
Marvin Minksy
Donald Morrell
David Mullen
David Norr
Joe Pagano
May Paluga
Stanley Pottinger
Tom Pritzker
Detective Joe Recarey, investigated reports of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
Chief Michael Reiter, responsible for investigation of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
Bill Richardson
Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo
Sky Roberts
Kimblerley Roberts
Lynn Roberts
Virginia Roberts, now known as Virginia Roberts Giuffre, accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault
Haley Robson
Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein’s Florida home
Scott Rothinson
Forest Sawyer
Dough Schoetlle
Johanna Sjoberg, claims she was sexually abused while underage by Epstein. Also claimed Prince Andrew touched her breast.
Kevin Spacey
Cecilia Stein
Marianne Strong
Mark Tafoya
Emmy Taylor, Maxwell’s ex-personal assistant
Brent Tindall
Kevin Thompson
Ed Tuttle
Donald Trump
Les Wexner
Cresenda Valdes
Emma Vaghan
Anthony Valladares
Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
Maritza Vazquez
Dr Wah Wah, treated Virgina Roberts
Vicky Ward
Jarred Weisfield
Sharon White
Courtney Wild
Bruce Willis
Daniel Wilson
Mark Zeff
There is a whole lot of female celebrities on there. Is the implication that they visited this island to potentially indulge in the abuse as well?
People in this list:
Victims
Case detectives
Doctors
Staff at assorted Epstein residences
Rich folk that knew Epstein enough to have been invited to the island.
Some may have been potential victims, involved in Hollywood nepotism or money fuckery. But they are tainted by association.
Remember Epstein didn't kill himself. Those that did it did it in broad daylight and didn't get caught (yet). So I'd be surprised if the worst offenders are even on the list at all.
Does the article have a link to these documents or am I going blind?
The sky is blue.
Nothing "allegedly" about it, they ARE linked. Whether or not they did anything wrong (and they almost certainly did), being mentioned in those court documents is literally a link to Epstein.
You'd think that someone writing for NPR would at least be literate enough to understand what all the words they use mean..
Linked includes victims and people who didn't take the bait. Keep that in mind before you set up the guillotine
Whether or not they fully "took the bait", powerful men who hung out with Epstein are all scumbags. The ones who did after his first conviction or otherwise finding out, at least.
And of course I don't consider people linked to him through victimhood the same as the powerful men I was talking about. No good faith reading of my comment could possibly suggest otherwise.
Keep that in mind before you set up the guillotine
Nah, fuck that. No man rich and influential enough to join the upper echelon of the New York and Florida socialite scene where Epstein found customers didn't either step on or at least ignore a lot of innocent struggling people to get there. I say they're all about a head too tall.
Whether or not they did anything wrong (and they almost certainly did)
And of course I don't consider people linked to him through victimhood the same as the powerful men I was talking about. No good faith reading of my comment could possibly suggest otherwise.
Don't really know how you can take this in a good faith understanding. You've literally just said that any name appearing in the document almost certainly did the wrong thing. Just acknowledge that there is necessary nuance here - some people named in that document have done nothing wrong.
Obviously, for anyone that underwent business or other dealings with Epstein, while knowing what we was: burn them. But the guillotine should never be indiscriminate.
You've literally just said that any name appearing in the document almost certainly did the wrong thing
No, I was talking about the powerful men mentioned in the headline. Why would you think I'd widen it beyond that without saying so?
Just acknowledge that there is necessary nuance here - some people named in that document have done nothing wrong.
Of course. Just so happens that some if not all of the powerful men being alluded to in the headline have abused children and the rest have done a lot of awful things to attain their wealth and power.
Obviously, for anyone that underwent business or other dealings with Epstein, while knowing what he was: burn them
That's what I'm saying!
But the guillotine should never be indiscriminate.
Agreed.
Allegedly is just a way to avoid getting sued. They know what they're doing. Sure, if they're on the list, that could be argued it's not alleged that they're tied together in some form, but at least this will keep anyone from attempted to sue them over it. And all they had to do was wiggle their fingers a few more times to add that extra word.
I know why media (say they) use "alleged" all the time, but this doesn't apply.
It's by definition a link. Whether it’s a significant link is another matter, but no court would be so ridiculous as to accept a lawsuit based on a misunderstanding of what the word "linked" means.
if they're on the list, that could be argued it's not alleged that they're tied together in some form
The list itself is a link. Whether it’s a link that means anything is yet to be revealed, but it's beyond a shadow of a doubt and in every legal sense a link.
this will keep anyone from attempted to sue them over it.
No it won't. There was already precisely zero risk of it.
The only thing they're achieving by adding "alleged" to this headline is to annoy people who know what words and concepts are and then spur a lot of people to tell those already annoyed people things the annoyed people already know and have been reminded of every time they've pointed out misuse of "alleged".
Donald Trump. That's all you need to know. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. Fuck that guy, and any waterhead inbreed and wanna-be tough guy who worships him.
Nah, other monsters don't get off the hook just because Trump is the worst amongst them. Fuck Trump most of all, but fuck the other abusers too.
You're a lunatic looking for attention. You're not getting any more from me. Take your meds.
Wtf are you talking about? You're the one pretending that Trump is the only powerful man on the list.
Also, if you could drop the ableism, that would be swell.
Sure. If you feel they have some vendetta against their readers and wanted to annoy you, feel free to make that claim. Sure sounds like you're a very stable person assuming that title was purposefully written to annoy people because [reasons].
If you feel they have some vendetta against their readers and wanted to annoy you
Incompetence and ignorance don't have to be deliberate to be annoying. Especially when they happen often. I happen to expect better of those who are paid to inform people of breaking news. Being annoyed ≠ thinking it's about me or otherwise deliberate.
Sure sounds like you're a very stable person assuming that title was purposefully written to annoy people because [reasons].
Again, never said that. You sure sound like a very sincere person, waving around the strawman you constructed to dismiss my rational argument as paranoid ramblings.
Epstein didn’t kill himself
The list: (on mobile, did my best to fix formatting, I am not fixing line breaks)
Andrew Albert Christian Edwards, -Prince Andrew
James Michael Austrich
Eva Andersson
Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstain’s home in Florida
Janusz Banasiak
Victoria Bean
Rebecca Boylan
Dana Burns
Jean Luc Brunel
Cate Blanchett
Naomi Campbell
Sharon Churcher
Bill Clinton
David Copperfield
John Connelly
Alan Dershowitz
Dr Mona Devansean, -treated Virgina Roberts
Dr Chris Donahue, treated Virgina Roberts
Leonardo DiCaprio
Cameron Diaz
Glenn and Eva Dublin
Ron Eppinger
Daniel Estes
Annie Farmer, accused Epstein of sexual assault
Louis Freeh
Alexandra Fekkai
Fredrick Fekkai
Jo Jo Fontanella
Crstyal Figueroa
Tony Figuerioa
Eric Gany
Meg Garvin
Sheridan Gibson-Butte
Ross Gow, Maxwell’s press agent
Al Gore
Fred Graff
Robert Guiffre
Philip Guderyon
Alexandra Hall
Dr Carol Hayek
Dr John Harris, -treated Virgina Roberts
Joanna Harrison
Shannon Harrison
Stephen Hawking
Victoria Hazel
Brittany Henderson
Brett Jaffe
Michael Jackson
Forest Jones
Sarah Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant
Carol Kess
Dr Karen Kutikoff
Paul Lavery
Dr Steven Olson
Stephen Kaufmann
Wendy Leigh
Dr Judith Lightfoot
Peter Listerman
Tom Lyons
Dr Darshanee Majaliyana,- treated Virgina Roberts
Nadia Marcinkova
Bob Meister
Jamie Melanson
Lynn Miller
Marvin Minksy
Donald Morrell
David Mullen
David Norr
Joe Pagano
May Paluga
Stanley Pottinger
Tom Pritzker
Detective Joe Recarey, investigated reports of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
Chief Michael Reiter, responsible for investigation of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
Bill Richardson
Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo
Sky Roberts
Kimblerley Roberts
Lynn Roberts
Virginia Roberts, now known as Virginia Roberts Giuffre, accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault
Haley Robson
Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein’s Florida home
Scott Rothinson
Forest Sawyer
Dough Schoetlle
Johanna Sjoberg, claims she was sexually abused while underage by Epstein. Also claimed Prince Andrew touched her breast.
Kevin Spacey
Cecilia Stein
Marianne Strong
Mark Tafoya
Emmy Taylor, Maxwell’s ex-personal assistant
Brent Tindall
Kevin Thompson
Ed Tuttle
Donald Trump
Les Wexner
Cresenda Valdes
Emma Vaghan
Anthony Valladares
Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
Maritza Vazquez
Dr Wah Wah, treated Virgina Roberts
Vicky Ward
Jarred Weisfield
Sharon White
Courtney Wild
Bruce Willis
Daniel Wilson
Mark Zeff
There is a whole lot of female celebrities on there. Is the implication that they visited this island to potentially indulge in the abuse as well?
People in this list:
Victims
Case detectives
Doctors
Staff at assorted Epstein residences
Rich folk that knew Epstein enough to have been invited to the island.
Some may have been potential victims, involved in Hollywood nepotism or money fuckery. But they are tainted by association.
Remember Epstein didn't kill himself. Those that did it did it in broad daylight and didn't get caught (yet). So I'd be surprised if the worst offenders are even on the list at all.
Does the article have a link to these documents or am I going blind?
The sky is blue.
Nothing "allegedly" about it, they ARE linked. Whether or not they did anything wrong (and they almost certainly did), being mentioned in those court documents is literally a link to Epstein.
You'd think that someone writing for NPR would at least be literate enough to understand what all the words they use mean..
Linked includes victims and people who didn't take the bait. Keep that in mind before you set up the guillotine
Whether or not they fully "took the bait", powerful men who hung out with Epstein are all scumbags. The ones who did after his first conviction or otherwise finding out, at least.
And of course I don't consider people linked to him through victimhood the same as the powerful men I was talking about. No good faith reading of my comment could possibly suggest otherwise.
Nah, fuck that. No man rich and influential enough to join the upper echelon of the New York and Florida socialite scene where Epstein found customers didn't either step on or at least ignore a lot of innocent struggling people to get there. I say they're all about a head too tall.
Don't really know how you can take this in a good faith understanding. You've literally just said that any name appearing in the document almost certainly did the wrong thing. Just acknowledge that there is necessary nuance here - some people named in that document have done nothing wrong.
Obviously, for anyone that underwent business or other dealings with Epstein, while knowing what we was: burn them. But the guillotine should never be indiscriminate.
No, I was talking about the powerful men mentioned in the headline. Why would you think I'd widen it beyond that without saying so?
Of course. Just so happens that some if not all of the powerful men being alluded to in the headline have abused children and the rest have done a lot of awful things to attain their wealth and power.
That's what I'm saying!
Agreed.
Allegedly is just a way to avoid getting sued. They know what they're doing. Sure, if they're on the list, that could be argued it's not alleged that they're tied together in some form, but at least this will keep anyone from attempted to sue them over it. And all they had to do was wiggle their fingers a few more times to add that extra word.
I know why media (say they) use "alleged" all the time, but this doesn't apply.
It's by definition a link. Whether it’s a significant link is another matter, but no court would be so ridiculous as to accept a lawsuit based on a misunderstanding of what the word "linked" means.
The list itself is a link. Whether it’s a link that means anything is yet to be revealed, but it's beyond a shadow of a doubt and in every legal sense a link.
No it won't. There was already precisely zero risk of it.
The only thing they're achieving by adding "alleged" to this headline is to annoy people who know what words and concepts are and then spur a lot of people to tell those already annoyed people things the annoyed people already know and have been reminded of every time they've pointed out misuse of "alleged".
Donald Trump. That's all you need to know. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. Fuck that guy, and any waterhead inbreed and wanna-be tough guy who worships him.
Nah, other monsters don't get off the hook just because Trump is the worst amongst them. Fuck Trump most of all, but fuck the other abusers too.
You're a lunatic looking for attention. You're not getting any more from me. Take your meds.
Wtf are you talking about? You're the one pretending that Trump is the only powerful man on the list.
Also, if you could drop the ableism, that would be swell.
Sure. If you feel they have some vendetta against their readers and wanted to annoy you, feel free to make that claim. Sure sounds like you're a very stable person assuming that title was purposefully written to annoy people because [reasons].
Incompetence and ignorance don't have to be deliberate to be annoying. Especially when they happen often. I happen to expect better of those who are paid to inform people of breaking news. Being annoyed ≠ thinking it's about me or otherwise deliberate.
Again, never said that. You sure sound like a very sincere person, waving around the strawman you constructed to dismiss my rational argument as paranoid ramblings.
And without evidence…. This list means nothing.