Remember this when you see the misinformation campaigns here trying to rationalize both sides being just as bad as the other as a reason for everyone to not vote for Biden this November.
Can you elaborate a bit? That statement is too broad. Are you saying the goal of every post critical of Biden's policies is to convince people not to vote for him in November?
How long have they been going on? Did they start before the last election?
Are they brand new for this one? Are the disinformation campaigns from Russia? The RNC?
I often post things critical of Biden and the DNC in general. Before i hated Biden i hated Hillary. I have been posting about politics since 2011 on Reddit, i even called folks and donated to
bernie Sanders. Is this a lie? Did i make up this story? Am I part of this russian/RNC campaign?
Vote for Biden. (Did i say this ironically?)
No. I’m talking about the right-wing propaganda campaign that is spreading the suggestion that no one vote this year.
Being critical of politicians is essential in a democracy. Not voting and suggesting others don’t- and expecting things to change…
is, by definition- willful ignorance.
I have not seen this campaign. Are there any particular things i should look out for? Like, are they saying explicitly 'don't vote and send a message to the DNC'? I've only personally seen peeps saying they'll not vote for him but that's not the same
It's everywhere lately. It's mostly something along the lines of both Biden and Trump being bad choices, so just don't make a choice to "send a message". Especially with the Israel/Palestine stuff, a large group has been convinced that Biden providing aid to the massacre of Palestinians means them voting for him is immoral. I agree it fucking sucks, but not voting is the immoral option. Remember how Trump tried to move things even further to Israel's favor.
Some of it is a disinformation campaign to get people to not vote, but I think a large portion of what you see is people who have been convinced of it themselves and spread it organically. It's impossible to tell the difference though, and it doesn't really matter that they are different. They are effectively the same, but you can't tell who actually believes it and who just sees it as useful.
Yeah. It’s like we’re re-living The_Donald all over again.
don’t make a choice to “send a message”.
no one has said this.
I have seen it plenty of times. How can you say no one has said it. In this thread, yeah I don't think so. It's all over the place though.
Pretty much that’s exactly what they’re saying. Keep an eye out. They’re around. And they’re obnoxious.
Super Tuesday is tomorrow. And I have decided to not vote for Biden. Does this make me a part of a right-wing campaign?
If you’re suggesting people not vote in November?
Yes.
I’ve always advocated for people to vote, or not vote, their conscience as individuals.
Then I’m not talking about you.
Calling everyone who doesn’t have the same views as you a right-wing conspiracist is what got us into this dilemma.
Nope. It’s what got YOU into this dilemma. I have no dilemma. If you’re advocating that people don’t vote come November- you’re spreading right-wing propaganda.
Wittingly or not.
If you’re advocating that people don’t vote come November
So it’s okay if they vote for Trump? I’ve never called anyone a right-wing conspiracist.
Edit: Serious question- Should I vote for Nikki Haley in the Republican primary to stop Trump?
I will vote for him the second he stops supplying arms to a genocidal regime.
Oh look! Here’s one now!
Oh look here's someone who can't handle the slightest criticism of his God-President!
It’s not your criticism. It’s the temper tantrum you’re throwing over a single issue that you’re using to spread bad-faith rhetoric to sway people not to vote.
I’m not going to apologize for stepping in the way of propaganda.
This just in, standing against genocide is "bad faith rhetoric!" More at 8!
I never once said standing against genocide is bad. You’re manufacturing an argument.
What I said was- using this as a reason to beat people over the head with suggestions to not vote in November is bad.
Learn the difference.
No you called my position bad faith rhetoric and doubled down on it being merely propaganda. I'm not manufacturing anything. I didn't commit any war crimes. I didn't ask Biden to be complicit in any war crimes. I have observed that he is complicit and have decided to withhold my vote on ethical reasons.
You so desperately want me to be a GOP shill you cannot see that I'm a progressive who will not vote for enabling genocide. It's really that simple. And apparently I'm not alone.
So who are you going to vote for, and what do you hope to achieve with that?
I'm not going to vote for any presidential candidate if he continues down this road.
"Disputed legal theories" is a strange way of saying "lies".
Notable is that the clerks are also complicit in all of this. They are rubber stamping the whole thing and getting called out by their states.
business as usual
It's not about which group is doing what .... it's all about which group has three most money for marketing and communication. The group with the biggest funding and monetary support will be the one that will carry their message longest and farthest.
It's the rich and wealthy that will decide how the population will be swayed.
And they do not care who the representative is. They could decide on supporting the reanimated corpse of Hitler and given enough money and time, they could get zombie Hitler elected.
This isn't a democracy ... it's a plutocracy.
person not legally able to vote here
this has been an ongoing issue not just with what is discussed in the article in the US and yes it was bipartisan politics that took my vote away
between the people barred from voting and the people not voting and the two main corporate political parties we are utterly fucked
Just begging for a civil war, huh
if we act like cowards we will be ruled by bullies. buy guns and coordinate.
If you have enough people with guns then you'd have enough people with votes. If you don't have enough people to win the vote, then put guns in their hands and they'll still be outnumbered. Guns aren't the answer.
You did see that the post was about how Republicans are trying to strip Democrats of their ability to vote, right? So, having the votes won't matter if Republicans game the system to keep Democrats from voting. So, in that case, what other options are left?
You have the freedom to vote how I think you should vote!
Remember this when you see the misinformation campaigns here trying to rationalize both sides being just as bad as the other as a reason for everyone to not vote for Biden this November.
Can you elaborate a bit? That statement is too broad. Are you saying the goal of every post critical of Biden's policies is to convince people not to vote for him in November?
How long have they been going on? Did they start before the last election? Are they brand new for this one? Are the disinformation campaigns from Russia? The RNC?
I often post things critical of Biden and the DNC in general. Before i hated Biden i hated Hillary. I have been posting about politics since 2011 on Reddit, i even called folks and donated to
bernie Sanders. Is this a lie? Did i make up this story? Am I part of this russian/RNC campaign?
Vote for Biden. (Did i say this ironically?)
No. I’m talking about the right-wing propaganda campaign that is spreading the suggestion that no one vote this year.
Being critical of politicians is essential in a democracy. Not voting and suggesting others don’t- and expecting things to change…
is, by definition- willful ignorance.
I have not seen this campaign. Are there any particular things i should look out for? Like, are they saying explicitly 'don't vote and send a message to the DNC'? I've only personally seen peeps saying they'll not vote for him but that's not the same
It's everywhere lately. It's mostly something along the lines of both Biden and Trump being bad choices, so just don't make a choice to "send a message". Especially with the Israel/Palestine stuff, a large group has been convinced that Biden providing aid to the massacre of Palestinians means them voting for him is immoral. I agree it fucking sucks, but not voting is the immoral option. Remember how Trump tried to move things even further to Israel's favor.
Some of it is a disinformation campaign to get people to not vote, but I think a large portion of what you see is people who have been convinced of it themselves and spread it organically. It's impossible to tell the difference though, and it doesn't really matter that they are different. They are effectively the same, but you can't tell who actually believes it and who just sees it as useful.
Yeah. It’s like we’re re-living The_Donald all over again.
no one has said this.
I have seen it plenty of times. How can you say no one has said it. In this thread, yeah I don't think so. It's all over the place though.
Pretty much that’s exactly what they’re saying. Keep an eye out. They’re around. And they’re obnoxious.
Super Tuesday is tomorrow. And I have decided to not vote for Biden. Does this make me a part of a right-wing campaign?
If you’re suggesting people not vote in November?
Yes.
I’ve always advocated for people to vote, or not vote, their conscience as individuals.
Then I’m not talking about you.
Calling everyone who doesn’t have the same views as you a right-wing conspiracist is what got us into this dilemma.
Nope. It’s what got YOU into this dilemma. I have no dilemma. If you’re advocating that people don’t vote come November- you’re spreading right-wing propaganda.
Wittingly or not.
So it’s okay if they vote for Trump? I’ve never called anyone a right-wing conspiracist.
Edit: Serious question- Should I vote for Nikki Haley in the Republican primary to stop Trump?
I will vote for him the second he stops supplying arms to a genocidal regime.
Oh look! Here’s one now!
Oh look here's someone who can't handle the slightest criticism of his God-President!
It’s not your criticism. It’s the temper tantrum you’re throwing over a single issue that you’re using to spread bad-faith rhetoric to sway people not to vote.
I’m not going to apologize for stepping in the way of propaganda.
This just in, standing against genocide is "bad faith rhetoric!" More at 8!
I never once said standing against genocide is bad. You’re manufacturing an argument.
What I said was- using this as a reason to beat people over the head with suggestions to not vote in November is bad.
Learn the difference.
No you called my position bad faith rhetoric and doubled down on it being merely propaganda. I'm not manufacturing anything. I didn't commit any war crimes. I didn't ask Biden to be complicit in any war crimes. I have observed that he is complicit and have decided to withhold my vote on ethical reasons.
You so desperately want me to be a GOP shill you cannot see that I'm a progressive who will not vote for enabling genocide. It's really that simple. And apparently I'm not alone.
So who are you going to vote for, and what do you hope to achieve with that?
I'm not going to vote for any presidential candidate if he continues down this road.
"Disputed legal theories" is a strange way of saying "lies".
Notable is that the clerks are also complicit in all of this. They are rubber stamping the whole thing and getting called out by their states.
business as usual
It's not about which group is doing what .... it's all about which group has three most money for marketing and communication. The group with the biggest funding and monetary support will be the one that will carry their message longest and farthest.
It's the rich and wealthy that will decide how the population will be swayed.
And they do not care who the representative is. They could decide on supporting the reanimated corpse of Hitler and given enough money and time, they could get zombie Hitler elected.
This isn't a democracy ... it's a plutocracy.
person not legally able to vote here
this has been an ongoing issue not just with what is discussed in the article in the US and yes it was bipartisan politics that took my vote away
between the people barred from voting and the people not voting and the two main corporate political parties we are utterly fucked
Just begging for a civil war, huh
if we act like cowards we will be ruled by bullies. buy guns and coordinate.
If you have enough people with guns then you'd have enough people with votes. If you don't have enough people to win the vote, then put guns in their hands and they'll still be outnumbered. Guns aren't the answer.
You did see that the post was about how Republicans are trying to strip Democrats of their ability to vote, right? So, having the votes won't matter if Republicans game the system to keep Democrats from voting. So, in that case, what other options are left?
You have the freedom to vote how I think you should vote!
That one cliche Pokémon meme