Some days I think the news organizations seek out the shittiest opinions and air them in hopes of getting clicks.
I'd also point out this is a problem of their own making; we're burnt out with the perpetual election cycle and incessant lack of adult behavior from Congress. I'm extremely dedicated to voting but I'm also fucking tired of it.
Not to mention, the user who posted this is relentlessly negative and pessimistic. I’m all for paying attention to the things happening around us, but being fatalistic about everything doesn’t help anyone.
Some days I think the news organizations seek out the shittiest opinions and air them in hopes of getting clicks.
This is literally the opposite of how polls work...
But just in general, can you tell me if we're at a 1 or 2 in your eyes:
The only reason there arent more people excited about Biden because the media influenced everyone.
Everyone is super excited about Biden and this poll is trying to influence people into thinking no one does.
Because, man...
In 2016 both worked bad for Hillary...
In 2020 both worked badly for trump...
And if we're at this point for Biden 2024...
Well, it ain't a good sign homie. And even if you think it's too late to change candidate, can we at least agree that what Biden and his campaign is doing isn't working?
It's number 3, same as it was last election:
No one is excited for Biden, but many many people are tuned in and anxiously keeping up with the election because they despise Trump and fear the direction he'd take the country.
The average voter pays zero attention to politics but has very strong opinions about what a politician has or hasn't done.
It's 7 months away. Like that's a long time to give a shit.
I know... While Biden is assisting in genocide and domestic spying, there are all these Democrats trying to tell me he is better than Obama.
It’s like you guys aren’t even trying to hide the propaganda anymore.
They spent 4 years unsuccessfully trying to dig up shit on Biden, so they're super excited to finally have a talking point they can hammer into the ground, no matter how much of a stretch it is.
The election is in 6 months. I'll get interested in 5
I mean yeah we're voting between a genocide funder or an insurrectionist on trial
Would be nice if we actually had multiple parties but no we are dedicated to the idea that we must always choose the lesser evil and expect that result to improve the election system.
If the DNC went through all the effort of defrauding Bernie to prevent him from running as their presidential candidate, then they sure as hell aren't going to be passing laws that attempt to improve the election system like getting rid of the two party restrictions.
I find it appalling how many people who clearly see the problem with the idea of trickle down economics don't see the problem with the idea of trickle down politics. Why would a candidate who's clearly riding in on huge lobbying funds have any reason to listen to your demands.
“I don’t think Biden has done much as a president. And if Trump gets elected, I just feel like it’s going to be the same thing as it was before Biden got elected,” said poll respondent Devin Fletcher, 37, of Wayne, Michigan, a Democrat who said he’s still voting for Biden.
“I just don’t feel like I have a candidate that I’m excited to vote for,” Fletcher added.
Another poll respondent from New Jersey, who declined to provide her name and voted for Biden in 2020, said she wouldn’t be voting in November.
"Our candidates are horrible. I have no interest in voting for Biden. He did nothing. And I absolutely will not vote for Trump,” this voter said.
Not voting is a vote for Trump.
I don't understand the logic behind not voting. It's not the same as voting uncommitted in a primary, which at least gets counted as a voter having an opinion about a candidate. Not voting isn't registered as anything aside from low turnout, maybe? And possibly increases your chances of being removed from the voter registry.
I'm leaning voting third party which is way better than not voting at all. At least it will increase numbers and show people are fed up with the two party system.
Third parties need to prove viability at a smaller scale before the presidency is realistic. As misguided as the Free State Project was, at least they tried doing it in the right order.
Third parties make little sense as long as you have a first passed the post system. Change to proportional representation and you'll get more choice automatically.
Well sure, but that seems even less likely to happen any time soon.
If a third party gets 5% of the national vote, they are entitled to federal funding the next election. Granted, it's not a huge amount, but it gives them a seat at the table and would be a big first step at ending the two party system. A third party vote is not as useless as you make it out to be. The goal isn't winning, it's just getting 5%.
Now, personally I don't think that will ever happen. Closest we got was in 2016 with the libertarian party getting 3.2%. I don't think people are as willing to vote 3rd party these days.
Closest we got was in 2016 with the libertarian party getting 3.2%.
Ross Perot got almost 20% in 1992 and ~8% in 1996 and the Reform party has gone nowhere since then.
The fact you've heard of the Free State Project is kind of impressive actually. I don't pay that much attention to it, but if I ever got to the point where I thought it would work, I'd be moving there.
I think I have read this article before, but I really ought to get the book that is referenced here and try reading it and see what it's like. I think the Free State Project is still around, but I'm not sure. However, even if it's not, I know there are still quite a few libertarians living in New Hampshire that moved there for that reason, and so it would be by far the most libertarian state around. Take a look at free talk live and the porcfest and forkfest as examples. They have New Hampshire branded goldbacks, Use gold and cryptocurrency as money, And generally get arrested for activism for telling the government that they are A bunch of murdering psychopaths.
Why not advocate for another election system that will make third parties viable? Basically then, your vote should be towards preserving and improving our democracy.
What better wait to advocate than to practice the idea that third parties are viable candidates by voting for them.
Some days I think the news organizations seek out the shittiest opinions and air them in hopes of getting clicks.
I'd also point out this is a problem of their own making; we're burnt out with the perpetual election cycle and incessant lack of adult behavior from Congress. I'm extremely dedicated to voting but I'm also fucking tired of it.
Not to mention, the user who posted this is relentlessly negative and pessimistic. I’m all for paying attention to the things happening around us, but being fatalistic about everything doesn’t help anyone.
This is literally the opposite of how polls work...
But just in general, can you tell me if we're at a 1 or 2 in your eyes:
The only reason there arent more people excited about Biden because the media influenced everyone.
Everyone is super excited about Biden and this poll is trying to influence people into thinking no one does.
Because, man...
In 2016 both worked bad for Hillary...
In 2020 both worked badly for trump...
And if we're at this point for Biden 2024...
Well, it ain't a good sign homie. And even if you think it's too late to change candidate, can we at least agree that what Biden and his campaign is doing isn't working?
It's number 3, same as it was last election:
No one is excited for Biden, but many many people are tuned in and anxiously keeping up with the election because they despise Trump and fear the direction he'd take the country.
The average voter pays zero attention to politics but has very strong opinions about what a politician has or hasn't done.
It's 7 months away. Like that's a long time to give a shit.
I know... While Biden is assisting in genocide and domestic spying, there are all these Democrats trying to tell me he is better than Obama.
It’s like you guys aren’t even trying to hide the propaganda anymore.
They spent 4 years unsuccessfully trying to dig up shit on Biden, so they're super excited to finally have a talking point they can hammer into the ground, no matter how much of a stretch it is.
The election is in 6 months. I'll get interested in 5
I mean yeah we're voting between a genocide funder or an insurrectionist on trial
Would be nice if we actually had multiple parties but no we are dedicated to the idea that we must always choose the lesser evil and expect that result to improve the election system.
If the DNC went through all the effort of defrauding Bernie to prevent him from running as their presidential candidate, then they sure as hell aren't going to be passing laws that attempt to improve the election system like getting rid of the two party restrictions.
I find it appalling how many people who clearly see the problem with the idea of trickle down economics don't see the problem with the idea of trickle down politics. Why would a candidate who's clearly riding in on huge lobbying funds have any reason to listen to your demands.
Not voting is a vote for Trump.
I don't understand the logic behind not voting. It's not the same as voting uncommitted in a primary, which at least gets counted as a voter having an opinion about a candidate. Not voting isn't registered as anything aside from low turnout, maybe? And possibly increases your chances of being removed from the voter registry.
I'm leaning voting third party which is way better than not voting at all. At least it will increase numbers and show people are fed up with the two party system.
Third parties need to prove viability at a smaller scale before the presidency is realistic. As misguided as the Free State Project was, at least they tried doing it in the right order.
Third parties make little sense as long as you have a first passed the post system. Change to proportional representation and you'll get more choice automatically.
Well sure, but that seems even less likely to happen any time soon.
If a third party gets 5% of the national vote, they are entitled to federal funding the next election. Granted, it's not a huge amount, but it gives them a seat at the table and would be a big first step at ending the two party system. A third party vote is not as useless as you make it out to be. The goal isn't winning, it's just getting 5%.
Now, personally I don't think that will ever happen. Closest we got was in 2016 with the libertarian party getting 3.2%. I don't think people are as willing to vote 3rd party these days.
Ross Perot got almost 20% in 1992 and ~8% in 1996 and the Reform party has gone nowhere since then.
The fact you've heard of the Free State Project is kind of impressive actually. I don't pay that much attention to it, but if I ever got to the point where I thought it would work, I'd be moving there.
It didn't end all that well.
I think I have read this article before, but I really ought to get the book that is referenced here and try reading it and see what it's like. I think the Free State Project is still around, but I'm not sure. However, even if it's not, I know there are still quite a few libertarians living in New Hampshire that moved there for that reason, and so it would be by far the most libertarian state around. Take a look at free talk live and the porcfest and forkfest as examples. They have New Hampshire branded goldbacks, Use gold and cryptocurrency as money, And generally get arrested for activism for telling the government that they are A bunch of murdering psychopaths.
Edit: NBC Boston did a documentary about them rather recently.
Why not advocate for another election system that will make third parties viable? Basically then, your vote should be towards preserving and improving our democracy.
What better wait to advocate than to practice the idea that third parties are viable candidates by voting for them.
Aww bless, you think that'll have any impact