If you think morphine is comparably dangerous to cannabis then you're nuts.
I never said it was, just that it being used as a medicine doesn't make it "safe"
I'm not one of these people that thinks it cures cancer or anything. But comparing it to morphine just muddys the waters.
It is absolutely safe enough to be recreationally legal. Morphine is not.
Yeah we know you're a weed addict, but according to whom is it "safe enough to be recreationally legal?
As someone who's drank alcohol and smoked cannabis, yeah alcohol is absolutely more dangerous/obstructive to normal function but no one bats an eye if you go home after work and have a couple beers.
Hell when I was in the military it was practically expected that you were going to show up to work hungover since there wasn't fuck all to do.
Smoke a joint on leave? Kicked out, you're the worst soldier/sailor/marine/airman that's ever existed.
It's an absolute joke that alcohol is considered safe enough to be legal but cannabis isn't. Of the two, alcohol should be the illegal one.
Yup. Didn't touch anything until after I ETS'd. Except tobacco and booze, which were basically... subsidized? Yeah, heavily subsidized by the exchange stores in the 90s. A carton of marlboros was $10 lol. I literally remember people bitching and moaning when it went up a dollar shortly before I left the army. Surreal.
Wow, you really did just type "weed addict" without a trace of irony, didn't you?
Yes, weed addict
Weed is not addictive.
You can make the argument that one can become dependent on weed despite it having no addictive properties, but you can also make that argument about weird shit like eating toilet paper or playing video games.
You're getting the upvotes in this thread because that other dude is off, but weed is definitely addictive. Or maybe you don't consider gambling addictive because neither necessarily have a chemical component to the addictiveness.
There are also side effects to quitting after prolonged use.
If you think weed is not addictive try not consuming it for 6 months
I've done this regularly. Went from every day use to quitting for a year before becoming a teacher, and have regularly stopped for 6 months to a year for various reasons since.
And you end up falling in it again?
No I end up doing fun things when I want to do fun things
Ok, you fall again
Falling implies the thing is bad.
Am I falling when I play MarioKart with my kids? That's fun and similarly dangerous.
Why does it even matter if it's safe? Why shouldn't you be able to make the decision for yourself?
I support marijuana legalization, but this argument doesn't work. The reality is that we all pay a price when people do certain things. It would be naive in the extreme to argue, for example, that opioids haven't had a very negative impact on society as a whole. Or think about smoking cigarettes. How much does society pay for all the health problems it causes? Drinking? How much do we all pay for the chaos alcohol can cause, the domestic issues it creates, the broken families, the people killed by drunk drivers? This ain't the wild west, you can't just live and let live anymore in a world of 8 billion people.
People need to be allowed to enjoy their lives even if it has a cost. I'm not advocating for driving while under the influence. I'm advocating for being able to make your own choices about your own health. I think it goes further than just drugs. We even make laws preventing people from swimming in public water because they could drown. Shit happens. We can't let cost and perfect safety ruin all the fun in the world. Just because some people can't handle it, doesn't mean it should be removed from life entirely.
Sure. We will have to be willing to pay the price as a society, and that's a hard sell for people who don't choose to do those things. Probably worth reiterating that we actually do restrict people from swimming in certain places. Why? Because it's too dangerous and also puts rescuers at risk. You might say, "well just let them drown", but that seems rather callous in my opinion. I suppose the boring answer like usual is finding a middle ground where most interested parties are unhappy with the compromise.
I imagine everyone has some slightly risky things they like to do with their free time. The way to sell it is to recognize that we're all paying for something else other people want to do in some way or another that we don't take advantage of ourselves. By collectively contributing to society, we can make this whole experience of life worth living for everyone. I, personally, don't want to be forced into a plastic bubble of safety for my entire life.
Agreed. I miss merry-go-rounds personally...
Imagine wanting to criminalize being overweight lol
Far worse externalities and is similarly silly to ban.
Because I'm gonna have to pay for your mistakes
Yeah cuz sitting on a couch watching tv is such a costly mistake. I bet you're pro gun too and just fine with paying for the mistakes of those people
My country isn't full of idiots and guns are properly regulated
Perfect. Then you won't have to pay for anything.
I do have to pay for the public health services that you Americans lack
And you know what? You are going to have to pay more for people who race (any type, lots of injuries).
Yeah, those damned marijuana cigarette smokers are all whippersnappers, just bad eggs all around! I would never condone ANY devils lettuce, just say "Fiddlesticks to you!"
That doesn't appear true. Consumption is fine. It's sale or trade that's the issue.
How are you gonna consume weed if you can't buy it then? In practice, it's illegal
Growing plants isn't that hard... Literally a window sill and water.
Oh and where do you get the seeds? Pretty sure that implies buying marijuana
Or... you just ask for seeds from somebody already with plants. Buying and trading may be illegal... handing out seeds is not buying or trading.
I'm pretty anti- smoking in general because i don't think people consider those around them when they do smoke... but your logic has been quite silly. Especially after being caught in a blatant lie.
That's definitely trading marijuana
That giving a gift, not trading.
Considering it says decriminalised for cultivation and personal use, buying seeds for cultivation would not be considered illegal.
Also paired with varying levels of legality in Spain, probably a licensed club.
Marijuana seeds are still marijuana
Stop thinking so hard, I would hate for you to have an aneurysm.
If you think morphine is comparably dangerous to cannabis then you're nuts.
I never said it was, just that it being used as a medicine doesn't make it "safe"
I'm not one of these people that thinks it cures cancer or anything. But comparing it to morphine just muddys the waters.
It is absolutely safe enough to be recreationally legal. Morphine is not.
Yeah we know you're a weed addict, but according to whom is it "safe enough to be recreationally legal?
As someone who's drank alcohol and smoked cannabis, yeah alcohol is absolutely more dangerous/obstructive to normal function but no one bats an eye if you go home after work and have a couple beers.
Hell when I was in the military it was practically expected that you were going to show up to work hungover since there wasn't fuck all to do.
Smoke a joint on leave? Kicked out, you're the worst soldier/sailor/marine/airman that's ever existed.
It's an absolute joke that alcohol is considered safe enough to be legal but cannabis isn't. Of the two, alcohol should be the illegal one.
Yup. Didn't touch anything until after I ETS'd. Except tobacco and booze, which were basically... subsidized? Yeah, heavily subsidized by the exchange stores in the 90s. A carton of marlboros was $10 lol. I literally remember people bitching and moaning when it went up a dollar shortly before I left the army. Surreal.
Wow, you really did just type "weed addict" without a trace of irony, didn't you?
Yes, weed addict
Weed is not addictive.
You can make the argument that one can become dependent on weed despite it having no addictive properties, but you can also make that argument about weird shit like eating toilet paper or playing video games.
You're getting the upvotes in this thread because that other dude is off, but weed is definitely addictive. Or maybe you don't consider gambling addictive because neither necessarily have a chemical component to the addictiveness.
There are also side effects to quitting after prolonged use.
If you think weed is not addictive try not consuming it for 6 months
I've done this regularly. Went from every day use to quitting for a year before becoming a teacher, and have regularly stopped for 6 months to a year for various reasons since.
And you end up falling in it again?
No I end up doing fun things when I want to do fun things
Ok, you fall again
Falling implies the thing is bad.
Am I falling when I play MarioKart with my kids? That's fun and similarly dangerous.
Why does it even matter if it's safe? Why shouldn't you be able to make the decision for yourself?
I support marijuana legalization, but this argument doesn't work. The reality is that we all pay a price when people do certain things. It would be naive in the extreme to argue, for example, that opioids haven't had a very negative impact on society as a whole. Or think about smoking cigarettes. How much does society pay for all the health problems it causes? Drinking? How much do we all pay for the chaos alcohol can cause, the domestic issues it creates, the broken families, the people killed by drunk drivers? This ain't the wild west, you can't just live and let live anymore in a world of 8 billion people.
People need to be allowed to enjoy their lives even if it has a cost. I'm not advocating for driving while under the influence. I'm advocating for being able to make your own choices about your own health. I think it goes further than just drugs. We even make laws preventing people from swimming in public water because they could drown. Shit happens. We can't let cost and perfect safety ruin all the fun in the world. Just because some people can't handle it, doesn't mean it should be removed from life entirely.
Sure. We will have to be willing to pay the price as a society, and that's a hard sell for people who don't choose to do those things. Probably worth reiterating that we actually do restrict people from swimming in certain places. Why? Because it's too dangerous and also puts rescuers at risk. You might say, "well just let them drown", but that seems rather callous in my opinion. I suppose the boring answer like usual is finding a middle ground where most interested parties are unhappy with the compromise.
I imagine everyone has some slightly risky things they like to do with their free time. The way to sell it is to recognize that we're all paying for something else other people want to do in some way or another that we don't take advantage of ourselves. By collectively contributing to society, we can make this whole experience of life worth living for everyone. I, personally, don't want to be forced into a plastic bubble of safety for my entire life.
Agreed. I miss merry-go-rounds personally...
Imagine wanting to criminalize being overweight lol
Far worse externalities and is similarly silly to ban.
Because I'm gonna have to pay for your mistakes
Yeah cuz sitting on a couch watching tv is such a costly mistake. I bet you're pro gun too and just fine with paying for the mistakes of those people
My country isn't full of idiots and guns are properly regulated
Perfect. Then you won't have to pay for anything.
I do have to pay for the public health services that you Americans lack
And you know what? You are going to have to pay more for people who race (any type, lots of injuries).
Yeah, those damned marijuana cigarette smokers are all whippersnappers, just bad eggs all around! I would never condone ANY devils lettuce, just say "Fiddlesticks to you!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
The governments of Canada, Uruguay, United States, Spain, Jamaica, France, Greece, India...
23 countries have recreational cannabis laws.
Sit down, shut up, and fucking keep up to date.
And the term "weed addict" is some fucking refer madness bs.
I'm from Spain, weed consumption is illegal here. Maybe you're the one that needs to keep up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Spain
That doesn't appear true. Consumption is fine. It's sale or trade that's the issue.
How are you gonna consume weed if you can't buy it then? In practice, it's illegal
Growing plants isn't that hard... Literally a window sill and water.
Oh and where do you get the seeds? Pretty sure that implies buying marijuana
Or... you just ask for seeds from somebody already with plants. Buying and trading may be illegal... handing out seeds is not buying or trading.
I'm pretty anti- smoking in general because i don't think people consider those around them when they do smoke... but your logic has been quite silly. Especially after being caught in a blatant lie.
That's definitely trading marijuana
That giving a gift, not trading.
Considering it says decriminalised for cultivation and personal use, buying seeds for cultivation would not be considered illegal.
Also paired with varying levels of legality in Spain, probably a licensed club.
Marijuana seeds are still marijuana
Stop thinking so hard, I would hate for you to have an aneurysm.
Oh man. Bless it's heart.
See what you did there?
Reading comprehension is fucked.
Yeah, it had medical applications "just like" morphine. It isn't "just like" morphine. Fucking hell.