Honestly, I kind of think my country (France) forbids weed today because of all the bullshit of the Reagan era and it's pretty infuriating.
Their depiction of weed as some super dangerous class 3000 hardcore drug ended up as some kind of standard for most of the developed countries.
It sucks.
It’s just indication to the fact, that the biggest part of our assumed development, our democracy, or our rule of reason is but a delusion.
Especially when it has medicinal applications.
Just like morphine. That doesn't mean it's not dangerous
If you think morphine is comparably dangerous to cannabis then you're nuts.
I never said it was, just that it being used as a medicine doesn't make it "safe"
I'm not one of these people that thinks it cures cancer or anything. But comparing it to morphine just muddys the waters.
It is absolutely safe enough to be recreationally legal. Morphine is not.
Yeah we know you're a weed addict, but according to whom is it "safe enough to be recreationally legal?
As someone who's drank alcohol and smoked cannabis, yeah alcohol is absolutely more dangerous/obstructive to normal function but no one bats an eye if you go home after work and have a couple beers.
Hell when I was in the military it was practically expected that you were going to show up to work hungover since there wasn't fuck all to do.
Smoke a joint on leave? Kicked out, you're the worst soldier/sailor/marine/airman that's ever existed.
It's an absolute joke that alcohol is considered safe enough to be legal but cannabis isn't. Of the two, alcohol should be the illegal one.
Yup. Didn't touch anything until after I ETS'd. Except tobacco and booze, which were basically... subsidized? Yeah, heavily subsidized by the exchange stores in the 90s. A carton of marlboros was $10 lol. I literally remember people bitching and moaning when it went up a dollar shortly before I left the army. Surreal.
Wow, you really did just type "weed addict" without a trace of irony, didn't you?
Yes, weed addict
Weed is not addictive.
You can make the argument that one can become dependent on weed despite it having no addictive properties, but you can also make that argument about weird shit like eating toilet paper or playing video games.
You're getting the upvotes in this thread because that other dude is off, but weed is definitely addictive. Or maybe you don't consider gambling addictive because neither necessarily have a chemical component to the addictiveness.
There are also side effects to quitting after prolonged use.
If you think weed is not addictive try not consuming it for 6 months
I've done this regularly. Went from every day use to quitting for a year before becoming a teacher, and have regularly stopped for 6 months to a year for various reasons since.
Why does it even matter if it's safe? Why shouldn't you be able to make the decision for yourself?
I support marijuana legalization, but this argument doesn't work. The reality is that we all pay a price when people do certain things. It would be naive in the extreme to argue, for example, that opioids haven't had a very negative impact on society as a whole. Or think about smoking cigarettes. How much does society pay for all the health problems it causes? Drinking? How much do we all pay for the chaos alcohol can cause, the domestic issues it creates, the broken families, the people killed by drunk drivers? This ain't the wild west, you can't just live and let live anymore in a world of 8 billion people.
People need to be allowed to enjoy their lives even if it has a cost. I'm not advocating for driving while under the influence. I'm advocating for being able to make your own choices about your own health. I think it goes further than just drugs. We even make laws preventing people from swimming in public water because they could drown. Shit happens. We can't let cost and perfect safety ruin all the fun in the world. Just because some people can't handle it, doesn't mean it should be removed from life entirely.
Sure. We will have to be willing to pay the price as a society, and that's a hard sell for people who don't choose to do those things. Probably worth reiterating that we actually do restrict people from swimming in certain places. Why? Because it's too dangerous and also puts rescuers at risk. You might say, "well just let them drown", but that seems rather callous in my opinion. I suppose the boring answer like usual is finding a middle ground where most interested parties are unhappy with the compromise.
I imagine everyone has some slightly risky things they like to do with their free time. The way to sell it is to recognize that we're all paying for something else other people want to do in some way or another that we don't take advantage of ourselves. By collectively contributing to society, we can make this whole experience of life worth living for everyone. I, personally, don't want to be forced into a plastic bubble of safety for my entire life.
Yeah, those damned marijuana cigarette smokers are all whippersnappers, just bad eggs all around! I would never condone ANY devils lettuce, just say "Fiddlesticks to you!"
considering how much French society despises US policy, I'm kind of amazed that France is still prohibitionist - that really does suck mate.
It's just bewildering to prohibit a plant that is easy to grow, serves a lot of uses, and doesn't easily get you killed.
I'm also in Europe, and still trying to cope with the fact that I got into trouble with the law for tending a garden. Well I guess at least it re-radicalized me for all it's worth.
I had a similar experience with my poppy field ringed with gympie gympie.
I'm all for legalisation, and I'm a regular user, but the fact that it's a plant has always struck me as a weak argument. We can do better.
It's one tier better than "It's natural!" (So are asbestos, arsenic, and anthrax.)
Or maybe because it's a drug (alcohol and tobacco are too ingrained in society to be outlawed, and despite that tobacco consumption is decreasing)
I mean there are tons of drugs which are perfectly legal, so I don’t really see that as a sound reason to outlaw it.
"Tons of drugs" literally just tobacco and alcohol
And caffeine
And acetaminophen
And ibuprofen
And sildenafil
And benzodiazepine
And fluoxetine
And sertraline
And spironolactone
And cetirizine
…
Those can hardly be considered drugs
And yet caffeine is more addictive with stronger withdrawal effects.
You should give up, it's clear to everyone that you've never used the substance and have all your information from drug-war era reefer madness propaganda.
It's also clear that most people that defend it want their vices legalised
Or they're sick of seeing people sentenced to prison for smoking a plant that isn't even as intoxicating as the socially acceptable and fully legal alcohol.
Oh don't get me wrong, I do pity people that don't want to fight their vices
Yes. You cannot legislate morality, or you simply force anyone who doesn't share your morality to be a criminal.
There's a reason our legal system is based around standing and provable harm.
Imagine if we made "being conservative" illegal. People would riot, and quite justifiably.
Objective morality is a thing, and most legal systems follow it.
It most assuredly is not, and just going by "number of countries with fucked up laws" most legal systems are dumb as hell
Again, I didn't say all countries follow objective morality (Basically countries that violate human rights, which is basically the closest thing to a codified objective morality we have)
We're just tired of you spouting nonsense kiddo
Alright, celebrate your "victory" then with a joint and poison yourself even more
I don't smoke anymore, thanks. Used to, but don't anymore.
Any evidence of it being poison? No?
Aww, you're just lashing out like a kid then, I'll stop responding
There's something deeply sad in you're replies, just a lack of compassion and a willingness to consider another viewpoint, with a faint hint of xenophobia 🙈🙉🙊
Something that damages your lungs can definitely be considered a poison
Eh, I'm not a fan of that definition. Technically Water meets the requirement and even skips the "food for nutrition" out that they give.
(We don't encourage the dummies bro)
As a former pharmacy tech, ahem, "ya wrong"
You might want to look up what the definition of 'drug' is...
Okay I've had enough it's time for me to tell you that you are completely out of touch with reality. Now that you know this, you can overcome your ignorance with a little awareness. Good luck, it's going to be a bit of a battle to get your perceptions straightened out.
No, I will not poison my lungs with weed
Did anyone tell you to? Did anyone ask you to? It's a choice you see, and you are exercising your right to choose. And you chose to troll. Thanks.
So troll is when you don't like, right?
No, I don't mind trolling, when done well.
I "abuse" sildenafil because I get it through someone other than my GP and take it recreationally when swinging.
It is absolutely a drug.
hm sounds like you're enjoying yourself way too much sure that must be bad in some way? /s
You want him to talk coherently after having "a marijuana?" Yeah, good luck with that!
That man really needs to sniff some weeds.
Me after 2 hours in the office
Many of us, I think. Work sucks.
He needs running through with a flaming duffel coat.
Tbf, my brother absolutely freaks the fuck out if he goes too long without a joint. He acts more explosively angry than itching invisible bugs, but the feeling behind it is the same.
Does he smoke with tobacco? Smoking with tobacco does that to me
No, he's just got a host of issues. For some people, weed just exasperates that, and he's one of them.
Makes sense. THC withdrawals been linked to aggression.
He has other issues then that he needs to deal with.
You think the guy above doesnt?? Lol.
That looks and feels like a colorized panel from a Chick Tract but I can't seem to find the source. Anyone know where it came from originally?
And after being through enough stop cycles with it I can tell you that there are physiological addiction issues with strong cannabis.
Loss of appetite, insomnia, pressured speech, sweating, night sweats, and irritability for up to seven to ten days is super common for people stopping regular usage and abusive usage.
Those are also typical symptoms of people forcing a change in habits. An acute change if you will.
Imagine someone who works remotely - when they're informed they now have to do a 2 hour car commute everyday for no reason other than to see the boss even if it means less productivity.
Those symptoms seem like a fairly normal response.
That Wikipedia article has zero mentions of cannabis.
While post-acute withdrawal syndrome has been reported by those in the recovery community, there have been few scientific studies supporting its existence outside of protracted benzodiazepine withdrawal.[8] [9] Because of this, the disorder is not recognized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders[10] or major medical associations.
Maybe not a joke, but it doesn't sound like it's taken very seriously
The article you linked mentions it isn't a recognized syndrome.
*Edit: That's not to say I disagree it exists; I've even felt similar things for a few days after stopping cannabis use. But if the scientific jury is out then it should probably be disclosed that this is the case.
Honestly, I kind of think my country (France) forbids weed today because of all the bullshit of the Reagan era and it's pretty infuriating.
Their depiction of weed as some super dangerous class 3000 hardcore drug ended up as some kind of standard for most of the developed countries.
It sucks.
It’s just indication to the fact, that the biggest part of our assumed development, our democracy, or our rule of reason is but a delusion.
Especially when it has medicinal applications.
Just like morphine. That doesn't mean it's not dangerous
If you think morphine is comparably dangerous to cannabis then you're nuts.
I never said it was, just that it being used as a medicine doesn't make it "safe"
I'm not one of these people that thinks it cures cancer or anything. But comparing it to morphine just muddys the waters.
It is absolutely safe enough to be recreationally legal. Morphine is not.
Yeah we know you're a weed addict, but according to whom is it "safe enough to be recreationally legal?
As someone who's drank alcohol and smoked cannabis, yeah alcohol is absolutely more dangerous/obstructive to normal function but no one bats an eye if you go home after work and have a couple beers.
Hell when I was in the military it was practically expected that you were going to show up to work hungover since there wasn't fuck all to do.
Smoke a joint on leave? Kicked out, you're the worst soldier/sailor/marine/airman that's ever existed.
It's an absolute joke that alcohol is considered safe enough to be legal but cannabis isn't. Of the two, alcohol should be the illegal one.
Yup. Didn't touch anything until after I ETS'd. Except tobacco and booze, which were basically... subsidized? Yeah, heavily subsidized by the exchange stores in the 90s. A carton of marlboros was $10 lol. I literally remember people bitching and moaning when it went up a dollar shortly before I left the army. Surreal.
Wow, you really did just type "weed addict" without a trace of irony, didn't you?
Yes, weed addict
Weed is not addictive.
You can make the argument that one can become dependent on weed despite it having no addictive properties, but you can also make that argument about weird shit like eating toilet paper or playing video games.
You're getting the upvotes in this thread because that other dude is off, but weed is definitely addictive. Or maybe you don't consider gambling addictive because neither necessarily have a chemical component to the addictiveness.
There are also side effects to quitting after prolonged use.
If you think weed is not addictive try not consuming it for 6 months
I've done this regularly. Went from every day use to quitting for a year before becoming a teacher, and have regularly stopped for 6 months to a year for various reasons since.
Why does it even matter if it's safe? Why shouldn't you be able to make the decision for yourself?
I support marijuana legalization, but this argument doesn't work. The reality is that we all pay a price when people do certain things. It would be naive in the extreme to argue, for example, that opioids haven't had a very negative impact on society as a whole. Or think about smoking cigarettes. How much does society pay for all the health problems it causes? Drinking? How much do we all pay for the chaos alcohol can cause, the domestic issues it creates, the broken families, the people killed by drunk drivers? This ain't the wild west, you can't just live and let live anymore in a world of 8 billion people.
People need to be allowed to enjoy their lives even if it has a cost. I'm not advocating for driving while under the influence. I'm advocating for being able to make your own choices about your own health. I think it goes further than just drugs. We even make laws preventing people from swimming in public water because they could drown. Shit happens. We can't let cost and perfect safety ruin all the fun in the world. Just because some people can't handle it, doesn't mean it should be removed from life entirely.
Sure. We will have to be willing to pay the price as a society, and that's a hard sell for people who don't choose to do those things. Probably worth reiterating that we actually do restrict people from swimming in certain places. Why? Because it's too dangerous and also puts rescuers at risk. You might say, "well just let them drown", but that seems rather callous in my opinion. I suppose the boring answer like usual is finding a middle ground where most interested parties are unhappy with the compromise.
I imagine everyone has some slightly risky things they like to do with their free time. The way to sell it is to recognize that we're all paying for something else other people want to do in some way or another that we don't take advantage of ourselves. By collectively contributing to society, we can make this whole experience of life worth living for everyone. I, personally, don't want to be forced into a plastic bubble of safety for my entire life.
Imagine wanting to criminalize being overweight lol
Far worse externalities and is similarly silly to ban.
Because I'm gonna have to pay for your mistakes
Yeah cuz sitting on a couch watching tv is such a costly mistake. I bet you're pro gun too and just fine with paying for the mistakes of those people
My country isn't full of idiots and guns are properly regulated
Perfect. Then you won't have to pay for anything.
Yeah, those damned marijuana cigarette smokers are all whippersnappers, just bad eggs all around! I would never condone ANY devils lettuce, just say "Fiddlesticks to you!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
The governments of Canada, Uruguay, United States, Spain, Jamaica, France, Greece, India...
23 countries have recreational cannabis laws.
Sit down, shut up, and fucking keep up to date.
And the term "weed addict" is some fucking refer madness bs.
I'm from Spain, weed consumption is illegal here. Maybe you're the one that needs to keep up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Spain
That doesn't appear true. Consumption is fine. It's sale or trade that's the issue.
How are you gonna consume weed if you can't buy it then? In practice, it's illegal
Growing plants isn't that hard... Literally a window sill and water.
Oh man. Bless it's heart.
See what you did there?
Reading comprehension is fucked.
Yeah, it had medical applications "just like" morphine. It isn't "just like" morphine. Fucking hell.
Being medicinal doesn't make it not dangerous, but thankfully, reality does.
As safe as trash food, porn and a sedentary and isolated life?
You're just judging everyone now, huh?
Yes, we all have vices but that's no excuse to justify them
And you sitting there judging everyone based on your norms, what's this doin for ya?
Oh don't get me wrong, I just don't want to pay for a high dude that killed 5 in a car
Well it's ok, you've been paying for all the other kinds the whole time anyways, gotta love selective outrage 😉👉👉
Smoking weed will make you... DUTCH!
A fate worse than death
agreed, being tall would be cool tho
considering how much French society despises US policy, I'm kind of amazed that France is still prohibitionist - that really does suck mate.
It's just bewildering to prohibit a plant that is easy to grow, serves a lot of uses, and doesn't easily get you killed.
I'm also in Europe, and still trying to cope with the fact that I got into trouble with the law for tending a garden. Well I guess at least it re-radicalized me for all it's worth.
I had a similar experience with my poppy field ringed with gympie gympie.
I'm all for legalisation, and I'm a regular user, but the fact that it's a plant has always struck me as a weak argument. We can do better.
It's one tier better than "It's natural!" (So are asbestos, arsenic, and anthrax.)
Or maybe because it's a drug (alcohol and tobacco are too ingrained in society to be outlawed, and despite that tobacco consumption is decreasing)
I mean there are tons of drugs which are perfectly legal, so I don’t really see that as a sound reason to outlaw it.
"Tons of drugs" literally just tobacco and alcohol
And caffeine And acetaminophen And ibuprofen And sildenafil And benzodiazepine And fluoxetine And sertraline And spironolactone And cetirizine …
Those can hardly be considered drugs
And yet caffeine is more addictive with stronger withdrawal effects.
You should give up, it's clear to everyone that you've never used the substance and have all your information from drug-war era reefer madness propaganda.
It's also clear that most people that defend it want their vices legalised
Or they're sick of seeing people sentenced to prison for smoking a plant that isn't even as intoxicating as the socially acceptable and fully legal alcohol.
Oh don't get me wrong, I do pity people that don't want to fight their vices
Yes. You cannot legislate morality, or you simply force anyone who doesn't share your morality to be a criminal.
There's a reason our legal system is based around standing and provable harm.
Imagine if we made "being conservative" illegal. People would riot, and quite justifiably.
Objective morality is a thing, and most legal systems follow it.
It most assuredly is not, and just going by "number of countries with fucked up laws" most legal systems are dumb as hell
Again, I didn't say all countries follow objective morality (Basically countries that violate human rights, which is basically the closest thing to a codified objective morality we have)
We're just tired of you spouting nonsense kiddo
Alright, celebrate your "victory" then with a joint and poison yourself even more
I don't smoke anymore, thanks. Used to, but don't anymore. Any evidence of it being poison? No? Aww, you're just lashing out like a kid then, I'll stop responding
There's something deeply sad in you're replies, just a lack of compassion and a willingness to consider another viewpoint, with a faint hint of xenophobia 🙈🙉🙊
Something that damages your lungs can definitely be considered a poison
You are wrong
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug
Eh, I'm not a fan of that definition. Technically Water meets the requirement and even skips the "food for nutrition" out that they give.
(We don't encourage the dummies bro)
As a former pharmacy tech, ahem, "ya wrong"
You might want to look up what the definition of 'drug' is...
Okay I've had enough it's time for me to tell you that you are completely out of touch with reality. Now that you know this, you can overcome your ignorance with a little awareness. Good luck, it's going to be a bit of a battle to get your perceptions straightened out.
No, I will not poison my lungs with weed
Did anyone tell you to? Did anyone ask you to? It's a choice you see, and you are exercising your right to choose. And you chose to troll. Thanks.
So troll is when you don't like, right?
No, I don't mind trolling, when done well.
I "abuse" sildenafil because I get it through someone other than my GP and take it recreationally when swinging.
It is absolutely a drug.
hm sounds like you're enjoying yourself way too much sure that must be bad in some way? /s
I need me a jazz cigarette, I'm having the shakes, Daddy-O!
I need some of that devil lettuce to get in the groove.
mmmMMmmmm MMM! I do love me some lazer lettuce, that jazz cabbage doobee do it every time
all the good guys are smoking cigarettes bemoaning the dangers of the devils weed.
are they cigars, I can't tell
Yeah man, I could also really go for a marijuana about now
Be careful, you cannot do more than four marijuanas a year to avoid addiction
One marijuana, please
me when I run out of cheetos
You want him to talk coherently after having "a marijuana?" Yeah, good luck with that!
That man really needs to sniff some weeds.
Me after 2 hours in the office
Many of us, I think. Work sucks.
He needs running through with a flaming duffel coat.
Tbf, my brother absolutely freaks the fuck out if he goes too long without a joint. He acts more explosively angry than itching invisible bugs, but the feeling behind it is the same.
Does he smoke with tobacco? Smoking with tobacco does that to me
No, he's just got a host of issues. For some people, weed just exasperates that, and he's one of them.
Makes sense. THC withdrawals been linked to aggression.
He has other issues then that he needs to deal with.
You think the guy above doesnt?? Lol.
That looks and feels like a colorized panel from a Chick Tract but I can't seem to find the source. Anyone know where it came from originally?
https://atomicjunkshop.com/behold-the-magnificent-glory-of-reefer-madness/
Oh, I need to get my hands on a copy of that! There's a spot on my office wall that is always off camera, perfect place for a blown up print. :)
Wait so it is isn't real just a satire?
PAWS is no joke, though.
And after being through enough stop cycles with it I can tell you that there are physiological addiction issues with strong cannabis.
Loss of appetite, insomnia, pressured speech, sweating, night sweats, and irritability for up to seven to ten days is super common for people stopping regular usage and abusive usage.
Those are also typical symptoms of people forcing a change in habits. An acute change if you will.
Imagine someone who works remotely - when they're informed they now have to do a 2 hour car commute everyday for no reason other than to see the boss even if it means less productivity.
Those symptoms seem like a fairly normal response.
That Wikipedia article has zero mentions of cannabis.
Maybe not a joke, but it doesn't sound like it's taken very seriously
The article you linked mentions it isn't a recognized syndrome.
*Edit: That's not to say I disagree it exists; I've even felt similar things for a few days after stopping cannabis use. But if the scientific jury is out then it should probably be disclosed that this is the case.