China says Israel has gone too far
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China’s foreign minister said Saturday that Israel has gone too far in responding to last week’s invasion by Hamas, China’s official news agency reported.
Speaking to Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Israel’s actions have extended beyond self-defense.
According to Xinhua, China has an interest in helping resolve the conflict and the underlying issues involving the Palestinian population.
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He's not wrong. But it's worth remembering that when China faced a far smaller provocation from their own restive Muslims, in Xinjiang, they responded by locking up a large fraction of the population in vast reeducation camps...
Not saying that's right, but at least they didn't bomb the camps...
I think if they felt the need to they would have. China and Israel's government both place about the same value on the lives of people who get in their way, China is just a lot more self conscious about its international image.
This is a stupid take. 70 years has passed since China's last military attack on a nation. 70 years. But sure, let's ignore history and view things from our fee fees.
China may be oppressive against those in its nation. But it's proven from decades of peace to not do anything like what you are saying.
They attack sovereign waters all the time. They make threats to Taiwan nearly daily.
So who got killed?
Where in my comment did I talk about their willingness to attack other countries? I said they didn't value the lives of people who get in their way, like the pro-democracy student protesters they massacred in 1989, or the Uyghurs they've been enslaving/brutalizing/killing in concentration camps more recently.
There's no evidence of killing. The UN even visited and stated they did not believe China was engaged in mass killing. So no, nothing like what Israel is doing.
Plenty of circumstantial evidence of killing (e.g. missing people), and when there's been documented imprisonment forced labor and forced sterilizations, the fact that they don't say "... and then we kill them" in any written documents the UN can get their hands on and just rely on their guards to know what to do really doesn't matter
Both countries want to exterminate people who challenge their aims, China's just got a slightly more controlled environment to do it in
Right right, killing thousands is comparable to circumstantial evidence. Do you hear yourself?
Yes, I do think these things are comparable, that is what I have been saying for several comments now
Ok well there's circumstantial evidence someone in your neighborhood killed someone. Why aren't you stopping the genocide in your backyard.
Because I'm not a government, I pay taxes for other people to deal with things like that. Also, if it was someone who I had a motive to have killed and I was the last one seen talking to them my neighbors probably would be a lot less trusting of me even if the cops couldn't ever find their body and whatnot.
Ah, NIMBY got it.
So the sino-indian war was in 62, but they've been salami slicing in indian aksai chin the past decade, and this is acknowledged by outside observers.
China isn't just brutal to its own people.
So nothing in the past decades, like I said. This isn't even remotely comparable to what Israel is doing.
They literally said China and India have been going at it in the past decade. Which they have. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes
I wouldn't call people pushing each other a violent attack. It became bad not because they killed each other but because they were pushing each other on the top of a mountain.
Are you actually arguing that the deaths were all caused by people accidentally being pushed off a mountain? Really?
I wouldn't say accidentally, but it was mutual pushing.
The world doesn't work like a cartoon. There were guns and bombers involved. You can't be this naive.
What? I didn't know CNN was lying this whole time.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/asia/india-china-border-tensions-video-intl-hnk/index.html
Stupid western media wu maos. I never knew.
That both is not a claim of pushing and is only one event out of many. So I'm not sure what you think it proves since it doesn't even prove your claim.
Seems like youre the one led by the nose by your fee fees
So please tell me what country has China violently attacked in the last few decades to:
Just once.
Country? The example was that china also willingly abuses and kills minority groups it has power over when convenient.
Do you need to be reminded of the many different minority groups china played "israeli genocide" with? Just because palestine is technically still a government doesnt change how israel, and the rest of the planet, treat them as a functional subdivision of israel.
Get your head on straight bud
Actually, the post above mentions those people were sent to camps and not killed. In fact, there's still no evidence of any deaths, just conjecture. The UN even visited and stated that while they don't believe there is killing happening that it still constitutes as human rights violations. So no, China hasn't
Personally, I believe the UN over conspiracy theorists like yourself.
The UN visited and said china's actions were crimes against humanity but pulled back from using the word genocide out of caution. That is not the same as saying they "they don't believe there is killing happening".
wikipedia/Uyghur Genocide
Also the only reason China hasn't had a deeper probe into the situation is it keeps getting downvoted at the UN Human Rights Council, guess who is voting against it? Qatar, Indonesia, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan citing the risk of "alienating China".
Reuters
Ah yes, the Muslims who visited XinJiang and said they are OK with what China is doing. That's why it keeps getting downvoted. But China oppresses Muslims, how confusing. How does the hypocrisy line up in your head with no issues is beyond me.
So no refuting the info I posted just moving the goal posts?
I'm not moving goal posts, you are. I'm saying there's no evidence. You've confirmed there's no evidence. And then attacked the people who are Muslim and literally visited and confirmed there's no evidence. Because you didn't like the way they said it.
How am I moving goal posts? I posted info and asked a question. I'm not sure you are arguing in good faith.
Pretty sure I alluded to multiple suppressions of minority rights, so Im not sure how the UN checked multiple time periods within a single visit, but woe to a lowly conspiracy theorist like me to question your claims of UN time travel.
Hey, just to double check. You wanna keep defending china with shit like "it was only multiple human rights violations"? Or did you want to start acting like a human being again?
I'm tired of morons accusing China of killing people, particularly like how Israel is doing to Palestine. There's no evidence anywhere and it's becoming idiotic to even try to compare what's happening in Gaza with anything China has done in the last few decades.
If you go back and read, they didn't accuse China of anything. They only stated that if they felt the need to have bombed the peoples, they would have. But maybe you're right that China would not have done that, so I'll just keep looking for the wiki page for NOTHING-BAD-HAPPENED Square.
You know it's funny. People keep bringing that up even though China fully admits it was a mistake and vowed to never do it again. The censorship people talk about is that China won't disclose how many people died, not that they don't admit it happened.
And then HK happened. And there are no examples of the police killing anyone. Only one rumor of a girl who committed suicide off a building people tried to attribute to the HK police. Even when they stole a police officer's gun, or lit a janitor on fire, the HK police didn't kill anyone.
But the BLM riots...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiU8sL7Yq9Q
But yeah, China bad.
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Right, right, god forbid someone think the confirmed humans rights abusers might have also killed a few folks. Thats such a massive leap, from subjugation and dehumanization of an entire class of people to not only lesser living conditions and quality of life but a literal claim that they are inherently less human all the way to killing someone??!?
Goodness. Why would anyone think one leads to the other? Its like thinking very hot water in a metal pan over a fire would lead to boiling water. How conspiratorial.
Could you run me through that UN time travel bit again?
The problem with your argument is you're comparing to maybe probably killing a few folks with thousands in a day. Yeah OK, let's go with this whataboutism. USA kills tens of thousands, they're totally an evil organization. What about Australia. Least we forget about these war crimes.
https://fair.org/home/the-real-crime-isnt-australian-war-crimes-but-a-chinese-political-cartoon-about-australian-war-crimes/
Oh wait, why isn't the ICC allowed to go after USA? Oh right threats of violence.
Yeah but MAYBE China killed some people, totally the bad guys.
I know the answer. The US does horrible things so that means china can as well!
Wait... That doesn't make sense at all
Re read the original post.
How high are you right meow?
It's been 44 years since their war with Vietnam. It's been 11 since they were involved in Mali as part of a multi-state force.
So decades and they defended a compound. Yeah?
Much more recently than the 70 years you claim though.
No it's not. I said 70 years since they attacked. What you're talking about is China's slow retreat out of Vietnam. That would be like arguing that USA invaded Afghanistan last year.
They've managed to be very belligerent in spite of that. They've flown incredibly close to US jets and veered away barely in time, and they do the same with all sorts of ships in the South China Sea -- which they claim as their own to an extent that would be equivalent to the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico. They've destroyed fishing ships and left fishermen stranded too.
China is not a model of peace to follow. It is a model for nascent global powers however in how to exercise and test out influence for acts without impunity.
They raped and tortured them form what I understand.
There's also the issue of the potential mass organ harvesting from people in China's "Reeducation Camps"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
Yes, I remember when I learned about it, I was shook to the core... The harvesting of organs was cherry on top, absolute horror...
Same thing everywhere, dehumanise a people and they're just chicken in cages. God knows we've been far down that route
It’s apparent some believe silent torture is more civilised than bombs.
They are both horrifying forms of genocide.
If I were getting tortured and organ harvested I'd rather get bombed.