Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital
Full IDF Spokesperson statement:
Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362
Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG
Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854
Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672
Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984
Looks like evidence has been published, and at least partially verified by OSINT groups (in the linked article)
I wonder where all the people from yesterday are now...for them it was damn sure Israel and if you made the mistake to publish this second opinion or made the suggestion to wait for other sources your were downvoted into oblivion...
But also with this new source I would wait until it is verified independently. I really like this approach from our german news station Tagesschau, where all news get a label until they are verified by different, independent sources. Makes fake news a lot less common.
It would not be the first time Israel has targeted health treatment facilities
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/21/gaza-bombing-hospital-israel/
I think most people were rightly suspicious because it has happened before.
just to be very clear here: Even if this cruel and should be absolutely prevented, when the space around or the medical facility itself is used by the enemy forces to launch attacks or store ammunition or other equipment, it makes it a valid, military target. Attacking a hospital is not automatically a war crime as it is declared by many here...
I would go as far to say that using a hospital or civilian building as a base of operations to launch missiles from is the war crime in this scenario. If innocent people die from retaliation for that, the blood is on the hands of the people who chose to use civilians as meat shields and make them a target in the first place.
Edit: To be clear, this isn't a pro-Israel comment. Fuck them. I was just saying that if Hamas actually used hospitals as launch sites or military bases they would be the ones who are responsible. I don't know for certain if they did or didn't at this time.
It actually is a war crime to do that
this article is 25 minutes old at time of writing, how is anyone supposed to talk about any of this stuff when you start comments like this.
German news already posted about this yesterday and I added it to the thread from yesterday which is now deleted...
damn those people for not reading your comment on a thread from yesterday that is now deleted, what are they even doing? they need to answer for themselves.
Not engaging with deleted comments is a literal war crime!
LOL and then everyone downvotes you, proving your point further. You're right though, last night was a shitshow of people taking sides with almost no data and then downvoting anyone on the other team.
Not saying that there are vile people that are just rooting for their football team no matter what happens, but I did fine here offering the opinion that both statements were - at the time - equally not backed by evidence. I did mention, that the Guardian did mention that the size of explosion is more than usual for the weapons of the militants, but even that didn't necessearily mean that it was Israel.
If we're looking at this we should look at all neews criticial, especially if one supports a side over the other. It's too easy to fall for hopeful rumours and fantasies anyways. Seen too many people who just go on any unbacked claim by either side "aha! I knew it". It's a volatile and chaotic situation and a lot of bad actors just try to score points.
They don't care that they were wrong. The next time Hamas claims Israel did something bad they will believe it instantly and only question whatever IDF says. It's not about the truth but what they wished the truth was.
Both sides of the argument are so entrenched they engage in cognitive dissonance and cherry picking almost constantly.
which is stupid as fuck.
I'm skeptical of both claims, but so far the evidence leans far more on it being Israeli strike. Especially with their continuously changing narrativem
Uh... take a look at this.
https://kbin.social/m/world@lemmy.world/t/548047/Israel-kills-500-in-Gaza-hospital-massacre#entry-comment-3020730
Maybe not 100% Israel, but a good 99.9%.
Also quick reminder that Hamas rockets can't cause the scale of destruction that happened to the hospital. This is much more believable from an IDF airstrike.
At the very least, you should look at all evidence given to us before making a judgement.
Alone that you are saying "Hamas" rockets shows that you have not really dove into the topic. Because not even Israel claimed it was Hamas, but Islamic Jihad, which is a distinct group. Furthermore, they also had an argument regarding the increased damage.
I suggest you look at what we know first, before you make a judgement like "99.9%". This disinformation shit happens on both sides and it must be stopped. The situation doesn't get any clearer by people doing this.
Yeah, fair enough. Palestinian rockets in general don't have that kind of explosive capability, but I said Hamas because saying "Palestinians" incriminates too many people, which was probably not a smart decision now that I think about it.
Yeah, thanks for your insight. I don't fault you for being angry at Israel, I am too. But all the more reason to stick to the facts and don't criticize Israel on loose grounds. There are enough crimes we know they did, and it's less than productive to make something we don't know for sure is their fault into their fault only to have facts blown up in our faces.
Sticking as close a possible to the facts, consider information of all kinds, even if we don't like the people, it's important in this disinformation war raging on the topic. We can be better than the people who still repeat the false 40 beheaded babies.
I addressed this mysterious deleted tweet above, but TL;DR the guy is an influencer and that should tell you all you need to know about believing anything he says.