Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
reuters.com
Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.
"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.
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Hamas? yeah
can't get lower than shooting rockets from next to hospitals, schools, etc, forbidding people to leave because you know you'd be exposed without them as shields and still pinning every casualty for your behaviour on the country that you just slaughtered hundreds of people of without any reason other than to provoke
Nice try, but there's assholes on both sides and i actually think Israel is worse simply because so many are willing to turn a blind eye for some reason.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
I'm not disproving or I agreeing to assholes on both sides theory.
But the reasoning that one side is worse because someone turns blind eye to them is dangerous. Humanity should always consider actions and not judge party in the opposite of someone else opinion.
The reason is that they're being threatened with actual, literal, genocide.
Isreal is literally committing genocide on a larger scale than Hamas could ever dream of.
Your argument is that Isreal is morally permitted to inflict actual genocide in response to a perceived threat of genocide?
You're either oblivious to reality or living in denial, and most certainly engaging in emotional reasoning; not logic.
The word "literally" has lost all meaning lol
So you deny Isreal's mass murder of innocent Palestinians? Or do you just not understand the meaning of the words "literally" and "genocide"?
This, but you.
Also your use of "murder" is inappropriate in this context.
Nice "no u" response, hahahaha.
Alright, you're either a troll or the lowest common denominator, and not worth wasting my time either way.
Go ahead and get the last word in so you can tell yourself you "won" an argument, or whatever other self-deluded rationalizations you like to commit. I don't feed trolls, so I'm not gonna bite.
He makes several good points and your basically just vomitting buzzwords and copypasta.
Hahahahaha I bet you don't even see the irony and hypocrisy of your claim here.
He made a bunch of baseless claims, emotional reasoning, logical fallacies, ad hominem, and "no u" as his strongest point.
This is like below average middle school level debate. If you're reading his comments and thinking he's making strong logical arguments, then I am honestly sad for both of you.
No I'm just fully literate.
I don't care about how you feel about our "discussion"
Proceeds to answer all questions with variations of “no u”.
Stupid comments get half-assed responses.
You're no better than the goons in Hamas... only instead of actually fighting for what you believe in, you just get in arguments online.
Well I haven't murdered any families so no.
No, you just support the action of families being murdered. From what I've been seeing from the Pro-IDF voices these past few weeks, that makes you just as bad as the people committing the atrocities.
Nah
I mean, "they threw rocks at tanks, so they deserved to die" may be a pretty shitty justification to kill civilians, but it's still murder.
You are no better than people openly supporting Hamas.
Which of the attacks in October involved throwing rocks at tanks, again?
It must've been a pretty big rock Islamic Jihad threw when they blew up part of their own hospital.
You think I'm talking about October? No, I'm talking about all the other times Palestinian kids were killed for tenuous reasons...
But sure, if that's the metric you want to use... which of the Palestinian children who died as a result of Israel's response to the recent attacks deserved to die?
It's not a tenuous reason. If you throw shit at an army in a war zone they're going to shoot you. That's just how reality works.
I'm strongly opposed to Israel's dumbass heavy-handed reapons s to prior attacks. Their leadership has been idiotic. That doesn't make them intentionally targeting civilians.
I was in Iraq during the war. Kids threw rocks and bottles at our HMMWVs all the time. You know what we didn’t do? We didn’t shoot them. Normal civilized armies have rules of engagement.
Like if the US claims you have nuclear weapons and the UN says you have no evidence your war is illegal, you do it anyways. Murika Fuk Yah!
That whole war was a glorified terrorist attack in my eyes.
When were you in Iraq? I'm betting it wasn't during Fallujah, because I can assure you civilians were killed there due to misconceptions.
I have friends who did the killing, and are super fucked up about it.
Lol. Spoken like a true bootlicking terrorist. "Of course he deserved to die. He threw ROCKS at our armored vehicles".
At least argue from a position of honesty and admit that you don't give a shit about Palestinian civilians being used as fodder by both sides.
I didn't say anything about deserving. I acknowledged the reality of what happens when you throw rocks at soldiers in a war zone.
This is true for every war zone.
https://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-historian-israel-committing-genocide-raz-segal-1835346
Yeah leftists are hella dumb.
Lol
Leftist rag, Newsweek.
Something tells me you just actually don't mind the idea of genocide that much.
It's citing a specific professor, and he didn't write the article in Newsweek, he wrote it in a leftist column
Read your own article.
Uh huh.
And Newsweek just repeated it blindly because they loveeeeee giving dirty commies free press for their unfounded statements.
Newsweek reported news, which is that a person I think has some dumb and misguided opinions wrote an article. It's news because of his profession
Seriously, read your own article.
Lul, okay bro. He just quoted the UN definition of genocide verbatim.
Sorry, but I'm just not dumb enough to believe you're dumb enough to actually believe what you're saying.
Try Truth Social? More folks in your target demo there.
Nah I don't speak to conservatives. I just live in reality and can read.
You didn't even read your own article.
No they’re inflicting that currently. Extremist threats from low tech militias aren’t equal to the Israeli settler programs happening now or the conditions that the 40% 17 and under live in within Gaza, under Israel’s direct order.
Israel is currently gripped by extremists themselves, they assassinated the Israeli pm that set up the Oslo accords then scuttled them. They funded Hamas because it was easier to ideologically oppose than moderate parties.
The real reason is that extremists on both sides see each other as a great tool for recruitment. Israeli citizens need to follow through on their anti corruption protests and vote extreme Zionists out of power.
Your fantasy world is so much more exciting than the real world.
The irony of you saying that is palpable.
Israeli officials have gone on record to admit they provided quite a bit of support to Hamas in order to undercut more secular organizations. Here’s Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev:
Here’s another quote:
There was even a moment in 1984 where the leader of Hamas was detained for caching weapons. What should’ve been a 12 year prison term in Israel turned into a slap on the wrist and confiscation of the weapons. Yet another example of Israel knowingly empowering an extremist group.
Obviously they’d support Hamas since Hamas opposed the Fatah accepting a two state solution and disliked their moderate status:
And on the topic of Rabin, do you deny that Israeli right wing extremist Yigal Amir assassinated Rabin? Do you deny that politicians like Netanyahu contributed to the vitriol towards Rabin?
Netanyahu was also an ardent opponent of the Oslo Accords so when he took power in 96 he refused to continue meetings with the Fatah leader Arafat which resulted in the accord falling apart completely.
The absolute arrogance you have when accusing me of living in an alternate reality is mind blowing.
Israel funded Hamas the way the US funded Al Qaeda, and it exploded in their face the same way.
To suggest they intended to fund Hamas to sabotage the peace deals they wrote and pushed is fucking dumb.
The only reason you believe that is because you're selectively reading to confirm your prior beliefs.
You think it’s dumb because you’re treating the Israeli government as a monolith. The likud party was vehemently against those peace deals and Netanyahu is known to have refused further diplomacy with Arafat once he took power in 96. Why would they not pursue policy they explicitly advocate?
If you’re an extremist party that supports the militant settlers in the West Bank then Hamas is the perfect casus belli to keep pushing for the one state solution the most extreme Zionists want.
The only reason you’re denying historical facts is because you’re determined to defend your own position at all costs.
You haven’t responded to anything I’ve cited. Just a vague allusion to me being totally biased. Attempting to sidestep the actual points I’m raising is a sign of intellectually dishonesty.
I did respond to your claims
You go afield a lot. Whether there is strife within Israel's right wing and whether right wing people are psychopaths in general, is neither here nor there.
Bringing up the US is a non sequitur.
As I already stated in my previous response (ironic considering your insistence that you are responding to my claims), Israel is not a monolith.
“To suggest they funded Hamas to sabotage peace deals they wrote…”
Who wrote those deals and who propped up Hamas? Do you think it was the same people? That’d be pretty idiotic. Again, the Israeli government is not a singular entity but a collection of politicians, each with their personal/collective ideologies.
It was Rabin’s moderate coalition and others that set up the accords and it was right wingers like Likud that propped up Hamas and scuttled the deal. Different people were involved with these events and I’ve made that pretty clear multiple times so cut the shit and stop being disingenuous.
Is that clear enough for you to understand?
You seem to think you're teaching me things, but really you're just getting into the weeds over meaningless, useless details to try to seem smart.
I am aware of everything you've written but it adds nothing to the actual discussion whatsoever.
This is not a fact. This is a thing you made up and tucked into your rambling in the hopes it comes across as fact. You're implying intent where it does not exist.
Israel didn't have to play 5d chess if they wanted to just take Palestinian land. They could've just done it, whenever they wanted. These conspiracy theories are worthless in practice.
I haven’t made up anything. You just don’t want to accept the facts I’m sharing. Why else would you ignore the details to make character assassinations towards me?
Explain how Netanyahu and Likud actively opposing a two state solution during Oslo means their known support for Hamas had nothing to do with undercutting the contemporary peace talks. Couple that with the known fact that Netanyahu refused to meet with Arafat upon taking power. You’re being willfully naive and it’s sad.
Sure Netanyahu’s Israel could act like Russia and not care about pr but that’s not how you keep your allies closest. For all your condescension you are profoundly stupid and disingenuous when it comes to thinking about this. They play the same game of geopolitics as everyone else, you’re just too stubborn to consider it.
It's not a character assassination to suggest your bias is clouding your judgment.
Lmao
Not that you seem to care about the facts, but read this.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Lmao I've read this.
It's also been linked like 6 times today so whatever podcast or thread you're all getting this from isn't really great.
How much does act.il pay you for your comments?
Being correct is its own reward
You knew what I meant. Israel propped up Hamas for years because it created a rift between Gaza and the West Bank and stalled the creation of the Palestinian state. Israel has been complicit in Hamas’s rise to power and in these attacks. Even Jewish media has admitted that Netanyahu’s govt has allowed them to gain power because it divides Palestine. They want all Palestinians to be seen as terrorists so they can get western support for their genocide. Israeli news even reported about the Hamas training exercises weeks before the actual attack, and if they knew, imagine how much more Israeli intelligence knew. Now they want to starve the Palestinians and are making public jokes about their intent to the UN. Fuck the fascist IDF! Free Palestine! (And no I do not support hamas and never have).
It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.
Israel funded Hamas as an opponent to Abbas, who was fighting against a Palestinian state. That was really stupid, it turns out, but not for the reasons you've suggested.
They dropped that policy in the 90s.
Also Israel funding Hamas isn't a one-off thing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Lol you know how I know for a fact you didn't read that op-ed? It's about being angry at Netanyahu for providing gazans too many work permits, and for not responding with enough force when Hamas launched rockets.
Seriously, you should read the articles you're pretending to reference.
Here’s an Israeli that called out Israel propping up Hamas and how that would result in the 80s.
I'm sure I'd disagree with lots of Israelis about lots of things. Namely, I'm not Jewish, so that's probably a big one.
Doesn’t matter whether you agree or not. Reality exists all the same and you can’t change the fact that in 1984 the leader of what would become Hamas was detained by Israel for caching weapons. What should’ve been a 12 year sentence turned into an almost instant release.
Right wing Israeli politicians and military leaders did everything they could to prop up Hamas until it could violently overpower the Palestinian secularists and moderates.
Imagine thinking this contradicts anything I've said.
I was merely providing information to validate the claim of the previous commenter. If you agree that Israel is largely responsible for the growth of Hamas then fair enough, your phrasing wasn’t very explicit on that front.
You know, since you're very knowledgeable about Hamas can you answer a question for me?
I'm West Bank, where there's no Hamas presence, Palestinians are still getting killed by the IDF. Can you tell me the reason?