You can't be pro-Palestine without being anti-Hamas.
They set fire to babies. They already let the "Go Max Barbarian" toothpaste out of the tube. There's no putting that shit back.
What if I'm anti Israel and anti Palestine?
Maybe sit this one out
Nah, fuck both sides. Indiscriminate killing is indiscriminate killing. Hamas is bad but carpet bombing hospitals isn't better.
So... why lump all of Palestine in with Hamas?
Why lump all Isrealites with Netanyahu policy? Its a 2 way street
"It's NoT iSrAeL iT'S jUsT nEtAnYaHu" smells very much like "It's NoT rUsSiA iT'S jUsT pUtIn".
Why stop there, it also smells like "it's not Palestine, it's just hamas."
Admittedly I just realized I misread the initial post I responded to. I thought it said, you can't be pro-palistine without being pro-hamas. None the less, nobody's have are clean in this conflict.
I'd say the children killed by both Israeli bombings and Hamas rockets are probably pretty fuckin' clean.
Right, which is why I think both sides suck. The gray is that there is a lot more history then the last couple of weeks. None of it justifies current actions, but it's not black and white..
Then you're just an edgy misanthrope
A stance of "Both sides are bad" is just a stance that favors the Status Quo.
The underdog needs the extra assistance, the superior doesn't.
So for that reason I'm pro-Israel, don't want either side winning, don't want aid to either side, so that defaults to a pro-Israel stance.
I'm comfortable being labeled as such.
bravest soul on lemmy
I get it. It's a dirty situation with tons of gray area. I think Israel has the edge in higher ground, but every new article that comes out of their atrocities erodes away that high ground.
Sorry what high ground has Israel. Over the years they proved how morally corrupt they are. And the civilian casualties are way higher on the Palestinian side.
Checking the historical number of kids and women who succumbed on both sides is showing a terrifying trend.
This recent escalation just proves once again how bad they are.
Read about proximity shielding. It's a made up kind of human shielding Israel and other countries have used as a shortcut to not be seen as committing a clear war crime.
Israel brings death and genocide to the Palestinians, Israel is Nazi Germany in this scenario.
Hamas literally put a terrorist HQ under a hospital. Stop.
Even if they did it can never justify killing the people in the hospital. Stop.
Edit: notice the downvoted to a statement that says nothing justifies killing completely unrelated civilians.
Yes this is the world we live in now.
Rule 28. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy.
the protection of medical units ceases when they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy. This exception is provided for in the First and Fourth Geneva Conventions and in both Additional Protocols.[37] It is contained in numerous military manuals and military orders.[38] It is also supported by other practice.[39]
While the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols do not define “acts harmful to the enemy”, they do indicate several types of acts which do not constitute “acts harmful to the enemy”, for example, when the personnel of the unit is armed, when the unit is guarded, when small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick are found in the unit and when wounded and sick combatants or civilians are inside the unit.[40] According to the Commentary on the First Geneva Convention, examples of acts harmful to the enemy include the use of medical units to shelter able-bodied combatants, to store arms or munitions, as a military observation post or as a shield for military action.[41]
Yeah except the majority of the dead were civilians. Israel has no proof of this anyway, and there being tunnel under the hospital does not mean any medical staff is cooperating.
Just a license for genocide.
Unfortunately based on the rules of was the medical staff do not have to cooperate, or even be aware, simply storing weapons, or a command center, or staging armed soldiers for war next to a hospital removes the protections.
The rules of war aren't about making things perfect, they're very much a do not let perfect be the enemy of good and filled with compromises.
If you want protections for medical staff you have to clear a section of ground for them that isn't used for war.
I didn't make these rules. These rules were agreed to in order to try to prevent total war. Where carpet bombs flattened entire cities like what happened in Dresden.
That's BS. Proximity shielding is used to excuse war crimes. You should not kill people especially if they aren't even aware. Using it as an excuse for murder is propaganda.
So Hamas is going to... rape and murder more civilians? We already expected that. That's their specialty.
They murder Palestinians too, for the crime of not wanting to be human shields for Hamas.
You can't be pro-Palestine without being anti-Hamas.
They set fire to babies. They already let the "Go Max Barbarian" toothpaste out of the tube. There's no putting that shit back.
What if I'm anti Israel and anti Palestine?
Maybe sit this one out
Nah, fuck both sides. Indiscriminate killing is indiscriminate killing. Hamas is bad but carpet bombing hospitals isn't better.
So... why lump all of Palestine in with Hamas?
Why lump all Isrealites with Netanyahu policy? Its a 2 way street
"It's NoT iSrAeL iT'S jUsT nEtAnYaHu" smells very much like "It's NoT rUsSiA iT'S jUsT pUtIn".
Why stop there, it also smells like "it's not Palestine, it's just hamas."
Admittedly I just realized I misread the initial post I responded to. I thought it said, you can't be pro-palistine without being pro-hamas. None the less, nobody's have are clean in this conflict.
I'd say the children killed by both Israeli bombings and Hamas rockets are probably pretty fuckin' clean.
Right, which is why I think both sides suck. The gray is that there is a lot more history then the last couple of weeks. None of it justifies current actions, but it's not black and white..
Then you're just an edgy misanthrope
A stance of "Both sides are bad" is just a stance that favors the Status Quo.
The underdog needs the extra assistance, the superior doesn't.
So for that reason I'm pro-Israel, don't want either side winning, don't want aid to either side, so that defaults to a pro-Israel stance.
I'm comfortable being labeled as such.
bravest soul on lemmy
I get it. It's a dirty situation with tons of gray area. I think Israel has the edge in higher ground, but every new article that comes out of their atrocities erodes away that high ground.
Sorry what high ground has Israel. Over the years they proved how morally corrupt they are. And the civilian casualties are way higher on the Palestinian side.
Checking the historical number of kids and women who succumbed on both sides is showing a terrifying trend.
This recent escalation just proves once again how bad they are.
Like anti Israel (government and civilians) and anti Hamas (hamas and civilians) ?
Sucks to be you???
Or great because both will suffer.
Ideally nobody would suffer. Reality doesn't work that way though, but that doesn't mean I'm cool with genocide.
I like to describe it as I'm not pessimistic, just a realist.
The sad truth.
Believing both sides to be deeply flawed doesn't instantly make you into someone who celebrates death!
Nobody cares you gonna die like all of us and your opinion will die with you.
Read about proximity shielding. It's a made up kind of human shielding Israel and other countries have used as a shortcut to not be seen as committing a clear war crime.
Israel brings death and genocide to the Palestinians, Israel is Nazi Germany in this scenario.
Hamas literally put a terrorist HQ under a hospital. Stop.
Even if they did it can never justify killing the people in the hospital. Stop.
Edit: notice the downvoted to a statement that says nothing justifies killing completely unrelated civilians.
Yes this is the world we live in now.
Rule 28. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28#:~:text=to%20medical%20units-,Rule%2028.,and%20protected%20in%20all%20circumstances.
the protection of medical units ceases when they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy. This exception is provided for in the First and Fourth Geneva Conventions and in both Additional Protocols.[37] It is contained in numerous military manuals and military orders.[38] It is also supported by other practice.[39]
While the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols do not define “acts harmful to the enemy”, they do indicate several types of acts which do not constitute “acts harmful to the enemy”, for example, when the personnel of the unit is armed, when the unit is guarded, when small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick are found in the unit and when wounded and sick combatants or civilians are inside the unit.[40] According to the Commentary on the First Geneva Convention, examples of acts harmful to the enemy include the use of medical units to shelter able-bodied combatants, to store arms or munitions, as a military observation post or as a shield for military action.[41]
Yeah except the majority of the dead were civilians. Israel has no proof of this anyway, and there being tunnel under the hospital does not mean any medical staff is cooperating.
Just a license for genocide.
Unfortunately based on the rules of was the medical staff do not have to cooperate, or even be aware, simply storing weapons, or a command center, or staging armed soldiers for war next to a hospital removes the protections.
The rules of war aren't about making things perfect, they're very much a do not let perfect be the enemy of good and filled with compromises.
If you want protections for medical staff you have to clear a section of ground for them that isn't used for war.
I didn't make these rules. These rules were agreed to in order to try to prevent total war. Where carpet bombs flattened entire cities like what happened in Dresden.
That's BS. Proximity shielding is used to excuse war crimes. You should not kill people especially if they aren't even aware. Using it as an excuse for murder is propaganda.
Um... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palestine-protest-sydeny-opera-house-hamas-attacks/