It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk

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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk
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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?

I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.

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Innocent until proven guilty. It's important to remember that.

However, I'd argue the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard than merely "not convicted."

Hasn't he now said things in open court multiple times that would be taken as direct admissions coming from anyone else?

I'm civil court. I don't think he's testified in any criminal cases yet. Maybe I'm wrong.

Statements in civil court are admissible. He is allowed to take the 5th if it concerns criminal activity, it's just a bad thing because in civil court the worst is assumed of what was asked.

Wouldn't matter, as long as it's entered in open court it's admissable as evidence.

"Not convicted" is actually not a requirement. Being a natural born US citizen and at least 35 of age are the only ones, although specific convictions could bar him from holding specific offices.

If all of his lawsuits remain undecided until the elections there is nothing stopping him (and presumably finding a way to pardon himself ex post facto somehow).

He will appeal any and everything. He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.

He's also a former president so he'll count on special standing.

Convictions may - or should - move votes, but I fully expect him to be on ballots throughout the nation next year. A few states may use the 14th Amendment, but if any states prevail in that, I don't expect they were likely to go for him anyhow.

Someone will tell me I'm wrong, but states that want Trump enough do shady things. Also, anyone coming here with a sirens song about how Trump will be convicted and the DOJ really knows this matters... Let's see how this goes. I'm sure they're serious. I'm also sure the justice system will give him every chance to prove himself not guilty.

We must beat him at the ballot box. And we should prepare that way.

He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.

That's actually a big question especially if his businesses are seized.

He can get a million idiots to sign over their social security checks just by posting a video. He’s never running out of money.

Can't. That would be another crime.

People can help other people pay court costs. It's done every day across the US.

Where are you getting your information?

His business assets are under audit and he's not allowed to create any new accounts.

He can't accept money, his legal team could buy they haven't been paid by him or anyone else at this point.

His business accounts in New York, which is his main state of operation, sure.

He can accept money. He can use specific funds to pay lawyers.

I need to see a citation for what your are saying. I asked a question and all you did was say it less wrong, but still no reference.

It would be naive to assume there isn't a federal investigation at this point.

Sure, but he's partially in trouble for soliciting money and not using it for that purpose. Similarly his legal team repeatedly complain about not getting paid.

It's fraud, his accounts are being investigated, this is public knowledge I need not prove to you because it is in fact common sense as well given the charges directly related to it.

Still no citation?

It's not all fraud and it's not all illegal. That's effectively what you're asserting not simply to me, but to everyone who reads.

That means a quick Google of things to find the common sense article that says he has no means of support. Not less... You're not asserting less. You're saying or strongly implying none.

I don't need to, it's common knowledge he's being investigated for fraud both campaign and business.

It's fraud, he's being charged for it what even are you talking about.

Economists have been questioning his ability to pay since the order came down, again public knowledge.

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Not literally, mate. But if you can scam a grandmother out of her money by asking for itunes gift cards, you can bet she'll send an actual check.

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He's been pulling millions in donations for his legal defense. He won't have a problem there.

Claimed and he's under investigation for the use of those funds. Similarly he hasn't paid his legal team, it's a big issue for them.

This encapsulates what I've been seeing here.

He will appeal that ruling. They have been trying to set multiple reasons why if should be allowed - and he'll try them all and then some.

The court where this ends (before 2025), is the court of public opinion. Or we get lucky that every layer rejects his claims that an appeal is warranted because x.

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