Israel raids Gaza's Al Shifa Hospital, urges Hamas to surrender

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Israel raids Gaza's Al Shifa Hospital, urges Hamas to surrender
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Even if Hamas has a command center underneath the hospital, it doesn't justify killing civilians inside the hospital.

Edit: clarification of my point

Probably why they are going in on foot instead of bombing.

Yet civilians are getting killed by sniper fire.

So what's the Alternative?

Hamas made the hospital into a legitimate target in a war by using it like that.

Can't evacuate, can't bomb, can't go in on foot - why are people always saying what they don't want but never what the Alternative is?

Should Hamas be rewarded for using their most vulnerable civilians as a shield like this?

Look, setting aside the whole human shields argument; that's wholly irrelevant here. We're talking sniper fire. Like the one where you take aim, go "I have a clear shot" and shoot. The idea of "there are Hamas operatives in this building so it's okay" only works (I mean it doesn't but if you assume it does) when you can't choose your targets; a soldier holding a sniper and taking individual shots isn't that.

well everyone was saying Israel needed to go in on foot until they did then they said they can't do that either.

Yeah that's what I say. They just want Israel to roll over and do nothing even though they are the ones that were attacked.

So what’s the Alternative?

Not shooting children in the face. Is that REALLY hard for you to understand?

Hamas made the hospital into a legitimate target in a war by using it like that.

Oh? Is Hamas a legitimate state authority now? Doesn't that make the IDF actions a war crime then? I thought they were TERRORISTS which means that this is an enforcement response, not an invasion. You don't get it both ways. Either Hamas are the state of Palestine or they aren't, and they can't make anything a "legitimate target".

Can’t evacuate, can’t bomb, can’t go in on foot

They can leave...

Should Hamas be rewarded for using their most vulnerable civilians as a shield like this?

Weird argument given that the presence of civilians isn't slowing down the IDF at all. In fact they seem to have a ton of practice at killing civilians in Palestine. Not very good shields are they?

Since we are proposing questions here, I have one for you:

Where are civilians in Palestine supposed to go? You seem to think that its OK to slaughter them like pigs for going to a hospital. Where should the IDF NOT be allowed to butcher Palestinian children? Seriously, tell me one place that if an IDF bomb blows a bunch of people apart its a bad thing. Is there ONE SQUARE INCH of Gaza in which the IDF is not allowed to shoot a civilian in the face?

This is why all those arguments about foot soldiers being the more ethical option were complete ignorance in my opinion. Not in a city.

The actual complaint behind that demand has always been "not enough jews are dying that's not fair"

While we can't 100% say they don't have a command center underneath the hospital, Israel's evidence so far has been fabricated. The video claims a random calendar is a guard shift list, for example.

Edit: Typo.

To be fair, the HM has said it's a regular hospital shift calendar but hasn't been able to explain why it starts on 10/7 and is titled with Hamas' name for the attack. And it's kind of hard to think of a valid reason, especially when considering all the other evidence along with it.

Asymmetrical warfare relies on keeping a civilian population between you and your enemy.

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