Biden if you were looking for a chance to prove you're about reform and equality for working classes, now is your chance to pardon this guy and give him a position in department of treasurey.
It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs. All of the petty shit about abortion, trans rights, gay rights, racial equality, gender equality, religion, second amendment, etcetera are all distractions to keep us all at each others throats while the rich cocksuckers figure out more insidious ways to fuck us all over.
This sounds a lot like the one party "they're all the same" bullshit that right wingers like to propogate.
Because make no mistake, one party is at least trying to push laws through that help (democrats), versus the other which just openly fucks people and doesn't give a shit about helping out.
44 Democrat senators, 36 Republicans and Joe Biden all worked together to pass a law forcing a union to accept a contract it's members had already voted on and rejected.
Fuck all of them.
This doesn't mean there's no difference between Biden and Trump. Don't do the fascists favors.
People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries did the fascists a favor. They decided they'd rather risk losing to fascists a second time than compromise with leftists. Biden did the fascists a favor when he called on congress to block the rail strike.
Fuck Joe Biden and anybody who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.
It's great that you picked the one option where Democrats were trying to help thos railroad workers but Republicans refused. Then when Democrats have to continue the literal working infrastructure of the United States, they get the blame for it... Rather than the company owners and Republicans lmfao. Democrats literally didn't not have enough votes on their own.
Sounds like Fox News is working to me. Because 90% of Lemmy does nothing but peddle it lol.
How about the public option with the ACA? The Democrats used their super majority to pass a Republican crafted bill that simply enshrined the shitty status quo into law, even going so far as to fine you if you didn't participate in said system. We still pay the highest per capita amount for healthcare in the entire world. What did we really get out of that? The end of "pre-existing conditions" and the option to purchase the same expensive, bare-bones insurance coverage from someone besides your employer?
It’s great that you picked the one option where Democrats were trying to help thos railroad workers but Republicans refused.
The railroad workers didn't need the "help" of Democrats anymore than the UAW did. They were preparing to strike and would have gotten their demands.
Democrats literally didn’t not have enough votes on their own.
THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF IT.
Do not block strikes. End of story.
Sounds like Fox News is working to me. Because 90% of Lemmy does nothing but peddle it lol.
You need to pull your head out of your ass if you think there are zero people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and will refuse to vote for him in 2024 over this. The rail workers contract expires at the end of this year. The next president will be faced with the same choice. If Biden believes Trump to be the biggest threat we face then promising to veto any attempts to force a contract on the workers is a bargain.
Make a fucking choice. You want to save Democracy? Here you go. Here's the offer. Reject the offer and we'll vote 3rd party. Stop thinking you can get us to vote for Biden by any other means.
The cognitive dissonance or prop washing is tangible lol.
If you sound like a Fox News segment after typing something out, maybe rethink the reality of what you're trying to say vs what you're actually saying. Hell, you even agreed with what I said in ad many words lol.
you sound like a Fox News segment
Find me a Fox News article stating the rail strike should not have been blocked. I'll wait.
EDIT: Five hours later and no article. Odd. It's almost like people defending blocking the rail strike sound like Fox News watchers. Interesting.
Wow. Thanks for cherry picking one thing out of hundreds to show your point! That's a solid way of arguing.
Would you like me to cherry pick an example of one which disproves you? Or would you like to examine the evidence as a whole and actually properly examine it?
Disproves which part of what he wrote?
Or disproves the strawman you set up yourself?
Let me explain it to you since you don't seem to understand.
OP makes a statement that all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal.
I say no, that's not right.
Other poster says well if you look at this one example, they voted together!
I said looking at one example isn't reflective of the whole picture. That I can just pick another example that shows they don't vote together. You need to look at it overall instead of cherypicking facts that suit you.
Do you understand the logic there and why what you wrote makes no sense?
I can make it simpler perhaps if you need it.
>OP makes a statement that all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal.
that is not what they said
"It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs. All of the petty shit about abortion, trans rights, gay rights, racial equality, gender equality, religion, second amendment, etcetera are all distractions to keep us all at each others throats while the rich cocksuckers figure out more insidious ways to fuck us all over."
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Did you even read what OP said lol?
yes
Guess not then. Oh well, if you don't have an argument I'll just block and move on.
please, do
OP makes a statement that all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal
Wrong. OP never wrote that - YOU made that statement as a strawman. You should try to be a more honest person.
Sorry, here you go since you missed the comment seemingly.
"It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs."
Did you even read what OP said lol? It's right in front of you, the first sentences. If I'm being dishonest then you are on another level of insane/lying.
Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs.
Is not the same as
all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal
Refusing to see nuance in the difference between the sentiment of these two statements does a disservice to yourself and your cause (unless you're on the side of the billionaires).
So here you go since you missed the distinction: they can both be (and are) corrupt, without being "the same".
People like to point out all the ways they're not the same and one team is better than the other. Fine. Those things can all be true, and politicians in both those parties are still corrupt.
It was only a couple presidents ago that Democrats had the House, Senate, and President. Even then they couldn't get their own members to vote for anti-corruption legislation.
Great!
This is a fair reply, but it sounds like we're both on the same page. Yes, both parties have their own issues but saying they're the same isn't correct. If you're in a position of picking between them then clearly one side is less corrupt than the other.
Yeah, yeah, just shut down any discussion with this canned response calling the other person a fascist. The drunk, neglectful mother is really the good parent because the father is verbally, and sometimes physically, abusive. We shall never criticize the mother because we are so fortunate to have her and that is the end of the discussion.
Buddy, I came from a household like that. The less abusive one is absolutely better.
We, in America, are living that abuse right now. You either choose the less abusive, or watch the other one fuck entire world up.
I also came up in an abusive household, so here's somerhing to think about: who's worse, the abuser who only knows abuse because they were abused, or the one who allows it to happen even though they know it's wrong? That's what we have now. The reps suck, no doubt, but the dems sit back and twiddle their thumbs and allow the corporations to fuck us all over while pretending to give a shit. They don't give a shit because they've sold us out for a little bigger piece of pie.
Wow this is an insane take. I don't often speak to right wingers but this is pretty far from reality. None of what you wrote is accurate and I never called anyone a fascist.
I'm just relying on the evidence that clearly doesn't line up with whatever rhetoric you're spewing. Jeez that's vile though.
When you say:
"One party is at least trying to push laws through that help"
You're getting closer to my point.You admit how ineffectual they are. The dems pretend to help while lettting themselves get steamrolled by the repubs. This is not accidental. How do I know this? Look at the shit that really matters to the war machine, that shit always passes: money for the war in Ukraine (that we instigated), money for Israel (who just happen to be committing genocide right now), money for the military budget (last year they gave them 50 billion extra that they didn't even have to ask for). That's 886 BILLION dollars to spread "democracy" to countries around the world. That's more than the next 10 countries spent on their military combined.
Either you've lived life under a rock to not notice the shit going on around you, or you're a shill for the dems. Pull your head out of your rectum and look around. People are hurting, and if you're not, good for you, you're lucky. How long do you think your luck will hold out?
I'm not admitting how ineffectual they are. It's just hard to push laws through when one party is clearly trying to stop you from doing the right thing.
It's like saying that people fighting for climate change are the same as those arguing against climate change because they're not getting climate change law through.
Your point either makes no sense or you're arguing in bad faith. I wish it was the first but I've dealt with too many people who are just trolling and reporting right wing rhetoric.
Whenever dems start losing an argument these days, they're quick to call it "right-wing rhetoric". I take this as an ad-hominem attack since I've been a lefty all my life. I voted for Bill Clinton. I voted for Barack Obama in 2008. I would have voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016, but the lying, cheating fucks in the DNC stole the nomination, and we ended up with a clown-ass gameshow host as president.
Hey, guess what single entity in the world is the biggest polluter. The US fucking military. The same military that dems and reps overwhelmingly vote to give mountains of cash to every fucking year.
You say I'M arguing in bad faith? The other (literally Machiavellian) tactic that shit-libs like to use is to accuse the opposition of the thing they themselves are guilty of. I like how you glossed right over the whole funding the military aspect of my argument, as if murdering people for their resources is just business as usual. Obviously you're not affected by it so why should you care?
Ok you're completely ignoring my points and just parroting a single example you can't move on from, which again, is my issue with your post. And I'm not trying to win the argument, just walk through basic facts/logic. You are the one using ad hominems against myself which is ironic.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree as you aren't doing this in good faith or are purposely trolling.
What "single point" am I parroting? I thought I made several points that you just fucking ignored.
Dems and repubs are both owned by the oligarchs.
Dems pretend to be innefectual on purpose, because they are paid and or threatened.
Dems voted to support the war in Ukraine which we goaded them into.
4.Dems vote with repubs to give money to Israel that they, in turn, are using to commit genocide.
Dems vote with repubs to spend boatloads of money on our military, that would be better spent here at home.
The US military is the biggest single entity causing the most pollution globally.
You haven't replied to any of those things, again accusing me of what you're guilty of. Your "points"? Blue fascist good, red fascist bad. Yeah, OK. So dems try to sound more sympathetic while letting big pharma and the military-industrial complex fuck the world over. The outcome is going to be the same either way.
It absolutely is the same as the right winger rhetoric. Because it is right winger rhetoric. This is their new thing.
Oh no, my trans kid is being discriminated against. Time to ship them off to a private villa in another country.
Oh no, my daughter got knocked up. Impromptu vacation in Europe & private therapy.
Oh no, my relative is the wrong skin color. Give them a job posting "we're all in this together" memes in corporate PR.
Fuck this bullshit. There is a difference here, and what you're spouting here is pure Propaganda.
I agree the wealthy on both sides IS treated differently from all of the rest of us, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between fascism and the failure of progress.
They hated him for he told the truth.
I always liked the term boots on our necks, but it's more like boat shoes or Armani?
petty shit
Sure thing, bro!
I know that sounds dismissive, but if you have no healthcare and can't afford a place to live, and your right to dissent is eroded every day, then all of the other differences won't matter when we're dead.
Your list of "petty shit" were either examples of or things that directly impact healthcare and living conditions.
The two party/mass media distraction machine working on the next big thing? 😄
Trump even admitted to this stuff though, he said they all do it and they won't change the tax laws. IEven Chappelle write a bit about it.
He waves it in 'average Joe's' face, and people are still voting for him. 🤯
Dude, Joe Biden is a career politician. He's trash... But he's still better than Trump. Trump is a fucking dumpster fire threatening to light this whole world on fire.
Another thing. If that were going to happen, why hasn't he pardoned Julian Assange yet, hmm? Assange embarassed the elites and exposed their bullshit. Trump was his fan for a minute until his bullshit got exposed too. Turns out that Hillary has more ties with Russia than Trump. It's the Machiavellian strategy: accuse your opponent of the thing you're guilty of.
Biden if you were looking for a chance to prove you’re about reform and equality for working classes
No. Shut up. Sit down. If you don't vote for Biden, then you ain't working class, Jack.
Biden is 99% composed of Hitler particles he's not doing jack other than killing Palestinians.
As opposed to Trump, who's only following the Hitler playbook and seeking to aid and abett Putin in dismantling the entire western world?
Spoiler: Everyone is going to die. Not just the West. Everyone. Putin thinks so much less of everyone than Putin and Trump.
I wish trump was going to aid the dissolution of the west lol. You're giving him too much credit. In actuality the only thing he would do differently is dominate the US's allies slightly more and spread slightly more racist rhetoric. Considering the US empire will commit genocide in either case nothing justifies legitimizing it by participating.
Biden if you were looking for a chance to prove you're about reform and equality for working classes, now is your chance to pardon this guy and give him a position in department of treasurey.
It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs. All of the petty shit about abortion, trans rights, gay rights, racial equality, gender equality, religion, second amendment, etcetera are all distractions to keep us all at each others throats while the rich cocksuckers figure out more insidious ways to fuck us all over.
This sounds a lot like the one party "they're all the same" bullshit that right wingers like to propogate.
Because make no mistake, one party is at least trying to push laws through that help (democrats), versus the other which just openly fucks people and doesn't give a shit about helping out.
44 Democrat senators, 36 Republicans and Joe Biden all worked together to pass a law forcing a union to accept a contract it's members had already voted on and rejected.
Fuck all of them.
This doesn't mean there's no difference between Biden and Trump. Don't do the fascists favors.
People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries did the fascists a favor. They decided they'd rather risk losing to fascists a second time than compromise with leftists. Biden did the fascists a favor when he called on congress to block the rail strike.
Fuck Joe Biden and anybody who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.
It's great that you picked the one option where Democrats were trying to help thos railroad workers but Republicans refused. Then when Democrats have to continue the literal working infrastructure of the United States, they get the blame for it... Rather than the company owners and Republicans lmfao. Democrats literally didn't not have enough votes on their own.
Sounds like Fox News is working to me. Because 90% of Lemmy does nothing but peddle it lol.
How about the public option with the ACA? The Democrats used their super majority to pass a Republican crafted bill that simply enshrined the shitty status quo into law, even going so far as to fine you if you didn't participate in said system. We still pay the highest per capita amount for healthcare in the entire world. What did we really get out of that? The end of "pre-existing conditions" and the option to purchase the same expensive, bare-bones insurance coverage from someone besides your employer?
The railroad workers didn't need the "help" of Democrats anymore than the UAW did. They were preparing to strike and would have gotten their demands.
THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF IT.
Do not block strikes. End of story.
You need to pull your head out of your ass if you think there are zero people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and will refuse to vote for him in 2024 over this. The rail workers contract expires at the end of this year. The next president will be faced with the same choice. If Biden believes Trump to be the biggest threat we face then promising to veto any attempts to force a contract on the workers is a bargain.
Make a fucking choice. You want to save Democracy? Here you go. Here's the offer. Reject the offer and we'll vote 3rd party. Stop thinking you can get us to vote for Biden by any other means.
The cognitive dissonance or prop washing is tangible lol.
If you sound like a Fox News segment after typing something out, maybe rethink the reality of what you're trying to say vs what you're actually saying. Hell, you even agreed with what I said in ad many words lol.
Find me a Fox News article stating the rail strike should not have been blocked. I'll wait.
EDIT: Five hours later and no article. Odd. It's almost like people defending blocking the rail strike sound like Fox News watchers. Interesting.
Wow. Thanks for cherry picking one thing out of hundreds to show your point! That's a solid way of arguing.
Would you like me to cherry pick an example of one which disproves you? Or would you like to examine the evidence as a whole and actually properly examine it?
Disproves which part of what he wrote?
Or disproves the strawman you set up yourself?
Let me explain it to you since you don't seem to understand.
OP makes a statement that all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal.
I say no, that's not right.
Other poster says well if you look at this one example, they voted together!
I said looking at one example isn't reflective of the whole picture. That I can just pick another example that shows they don't vote together. You need to look at it overall instead of cherypicking facts that suit you.
Do you understand the logic there and why what you wrote makes no sense?
I can make it simpler perhaps if you need it.
>OP makes a statement that all democrats and republicans act the same and are equal.
that is not what they said
"It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs. All of the petty shit about abortion, trans rights, gay rights, racial equality, gender equality, religion, second amendment, etcetera are all distractions to keep us all at each others throats while the rich cocksuckers figure out more insidious ways to fuck us all over."
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Did you even read what OP said lol?
yes
Guess not then. Oh well, if you don't have an argument I'll just block and move on.
please, do
Wrong. OP never wrote that - YOU made that statement as a strawman. You should try to be a more honest person.
Sorry, here you go since you missed the comment seemingly.
"It will never happen. Biden is owned by the same people as Trump. There's only one party, the party of the Oligarchs."
Did you even read what OP said lol? It's right in front of you, the first sentences. If I'm being dishonest then you are on another level of insane/lying.
Is not the same as
Refusing to see nuance in the difference between the sentiment of these two statements does a disservice to yourself and your cause (unless you're on the side of the billionaires).
So here you go since you missed the distinction: they can both be (and are) corrupt, without being "the same".
People like to point out all the ways they're not the same and one team is better than the other. Fine. Those things can all be true, and politicians in both those parties are still corrupt.
It was only a couple presidents ago that Democrats had the House, Senate, and President. Even then they couldn't get their own members to vote for anti-corruption legislation.
Great!
This is a fair reply, but it sounds like we're both on the same page. Yes, both parties have their own issues but saying they're the same isn't correct. If you're in a position of picking between them then clearly one side is less corrupt than the other.
Yeah, yeah, just shut down any discussion with this canned response calling the other person a fascist. The drunk, neglectful mother is really the good parent because the father is verbally, and sometimes physically, abusive. We shall never criticize the mother because we are so fortunate to have her and that is the end of the discussion.
Buddy, I came from a household like that. The less abusive one is absolutely better.
We, in America, are living that abuse right now. You either choose the less abusive, or watch the other one fuck entire world up.
I also came up in an abusive household, so here's somerhing to think about: who's worse, the abuser who only knows abuse because they were abused, or the one who allows it to happen even though they know it's wrong? That's what we have now. The reps suck, no doubt, but the dems sit back and twiddle their thumbs and allow the corporations to fuck us all over while pretending to give a shit. They don't give a shit because they've sold us out for a little bigger piece of pie.
Wow this is an insane take. I don't often speak to right wingers but this is pretty far from reality. None of what you wrote is accurate and I never called anyone a fascist.
I'm just relying on the evidence that clearly doesn't line up with whatever rhetoric you're spewing. Jeez that's vile though.
When you say:
"One party is at least trying to push laws through that help"
You're getting closer to my point.You admit how ineffectual they are. The dems pretend to help while lettting themselves get steamrolled by the repubs. This is not accidental. How do I know this? Look at the shit that really matters to the war machine, that shit always passes: money for the war in Ukraine (that we instigated), money for Israel (who just happen to be committing genocide right now), money for the military budget (last year they gave them 50 billion extra that they didn't even have to ask for). That's 886 BILLION dollars to spread "democracy" to countries around the world. That's more than the next 10 countries spent on their military combined.
Either you've lived life under a rock to not notice the shit going on around you, or you're a shill for the dems. Pull your head out of your rectum and look around. People are hurting, and if you're not, good for you, you're lucky. How long do you think your luck will hold out?
I'm not admitting how ineffectual they are. It's just hard to push laws through when one party is clearly trying to stop you from doing the right thing.
It's like saying that people fighting for climate change are the same as those arguing against climate change because they're not getting climate change law through.
Your point either makes no sense or you're arguing in bad faith. I wish it was the first but I've dealt with too many people who are just trolling and reporting right wing rhetoric.
Whenever dems start losing an argument these days, they're quick to call it "right-wing rhetoric". I take this as an ad-hominem attack since I've been a lefty all my life. I voted for Bill Clinton. I voted for Barack Obama in 2008. I would have voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016, but the lying, cheating fucks in the DNC stole the nomination, and we ended up with a clown-ass gameshow host as president.
Hey, guess what single entity in the world is the biggest polluter. The US fucking military. The same military that dems and reps overwhelmingly vote to give mountains of cash to every fucking year.
You say I'M arguing in bad faith? The other (literally Machiavellian) tactic that shit-libs like to use is to accuse the opposition of the thing they themselves are guilty of. I like how you glossed right over the whole funding the military aspect of my argument, as if murdering people for their resources is just business as usual. Obviously you're not affected by it so why should you care?
Ok you're completely ignoring my points and just parroting a single example you can't move on from, which again, is my issue with your post. And I'm not trying to win the argument, just walk through basic facts/logic. You are the one using ad hominems against myself which is ironic.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree as you aren't doing this in good faith or are purposely trolling.
What "single point" am I parroting? I thought I made several points that you just fucking ignored.
You haven't replied to any of those things, again accusing me of what you're guilty of. Your "points"? Blue fascist good, red fascist bad. Yeah, OK. So dems try to sound more sympathetic while letting big pharma and the military-industrial complex fuck the world over. The outcome is going to be the same either way.
It absolutely is the same as the right winger rhetoric. Because it is right winger rhetoric. This is their new thing.
Oh no, my trans kid is being discriminated against. Time to ship them off to a private villa in another country.
Oh no, my daughter got knocked up. Impromptu vacation in Europe & private therapy.
Oh no, my relative is the wrong skin color. Give them a job posting "we're all in this together" memes in corporate PR.
Fuck this bullshit. There is a difference here, and what you're spouting here is pure Propaganda.
I agree the wealthy on both sides IS treated differently from all of the rest of us, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between fascism and the failure of progress.
They hated him for he told the truth.
I always liked the term boots on our necks, but it's more like boat shoes or Armani?
Sure thing, bro!
I know that sounds dismissive, but if you have no healthcare and can't afford a place to live, and your right to dissent is eroded every day, then all of the other differences won't matter when we're dead.
Your list of "petty shit" were either examples of or things that directly impact healthcare and living conditions.
The two party/mass media distraction machine working on the next big thing? 😄
Trump even admitted to this stuff though, he said they all do it and they won't change the tax laws. IEven Chappelle write a bit about it.
He waves it in 'average Joe's' face, and people are still voting for him. 🤯
Dude, Joe Biden is a career politician. He's trash... But he's still better than Trump. Trump is a fucking dumpster fire threatening to light this whole world on fire.
Another thing. If that were going to happen, why hasn't he pardoned Julian Assange yet, hmm? Assange embarassed the elites and exposed their bullshit. Trump was his fan for a minute until his bullshit got exposed too. Turns out that Hillary has more ties with Russia than Trump. It's the Machiavellian strategy: accuse your opponent of the thing you're guilty of.
No. Shut up. Sit down. If you don't vote for Biden, then you ain't working class, Jack.
Biden is 99% composed of Hitler particles he's not doing jack other than killing Palestinians.
As opposed to Trump, who's only following the Hitler playbook and seeking to aid and abett Putin in dismantling the entire western world?
Spoiler: Everyone is going to die. Not just the West. Everyone. Putin thinks so much less of everyone than Putin and Trump.
I wish trump was going to aid the dissolution of the west lol. You're giving him too much credit. In actuality the only thing he would do differently is dominate the US's allies slightly more and spread slightly more racist rhetoric. Considering the US empire will commit genocide in either case nothing justifies legitimizing it by participating.