Wish I hadn't read this headline, it validates the anxiety I've had before about being confronted for turning around in a stranger's driveway.
Dude, people get unreasonably pissy about that. I don't know why. For instance, there are several houses around here with big "No U Turns In Driveway!" or similar signage to the same effect, which all have like 4 foot long driveways in locations where I can't imagine anyone would be looking for a spot to turn around anyway.
Motherfuckers must be paranoid. It's got to be exhausting, being so spooked all the time.
Devil's avocado: People used to turn around in my driveway all the time at my old house. If they stayed on the pavement, that'd be one thing. But half of them cut into the grass, and it turned it into and stayed a rutted, muddy mess.
Granted, I would never start taking pot shots at people turning, but I did put up a sign.
Thus the giant rocks I see on either side of the end of some driveways. Possible car damage seems to be a helpful deterrent to driving through the grass.
I have big boulders for inflicting car damage if someone goes off the driveway.
Otherwise I don't care if someone turns around in my driveway.
That works too. lol I just didn't have any handy, and I thought cinder blocks would either look trashy or get stolen.
They only look trashy until they get stolen.
Win/win? Lose/lose? That's for you to decide.
To prevent people from parking in front of and blocking my driveway, which happens often due to the location, I cast some traffic cones out of concrete and spaced them so parallel parking anything larger than a motorcycle is impossible but you can pull in between them nose first or in reverse. They weigh 180 pounds each, and look squishy... until you strike them with a vehicle.
Watching morons clonk into them is hilarious. But they seldom do it twice.
Boulders are the best kind of decorative bollard
Yeah that sucks but a couple large rocks or simple fence would take care of it.
This is what happens when you have a libertarian rural populace. They believe that you entering their property is an invasion of their sanctity.
I have one of those signs along with beware of dogs. Living in the country there has been a ton of theft here, stopped once i got 2 dogs. People were pulling in grabbing stuff often the first few years here. Other issue is I have a narrow driveway and road, it a pain to back out and not go in the ditch or hit the mailbox. 500ft down the road is a turn around for the school bus, they can turn around there.
Side note, due to the unruly angry people that live in the country. Was taught as a kid to not use people's driveways for turning around, don't want to get shot.
If someone is using a driveway to turn around, I'd put money on them being lost and not knowing about the bus turn around farther down the road.
Living life in fear.
There is some legitimate reasons for it, but not likely to ever be the case. Larger vehicles may damage their driveway if it’s older or not as well built. So it works for their sedan, but an f-150 or a EV could irreparably damage it. People wouldn’t ever think of that, it’s like driving on their grass basically. Who does that?
It’s their private property, they do have a right to protect from damage from people entering it, but not to death.
Protect as in "put up a sign", sure. But I can't justify any amount of force to protect someone's driveway.
If your driveway is damaged by using it as a driveway, then it's already too late and you need a new one. You have no control over what delivery people are driving, or any number or legitimate public service workers who might need to stop at your house.
No delivery driver pulls up on driveways anywhere I have been, and you can request them not too as well. Lots will damage driveways due their weight (see below), so policy is to avoid for liability reasons.
And same as above for public service workers as well, you can request stuff too.
And that’s actually not true, lots of driveways aren’t able to handle EV weight, the standard 3.5-4” isn’t strong enough. It’ll damage very quickly. It’s not brought up enough to be honest.
EVs aren't uniformly heavier than ice vehicles. Median weight is 2145kg vs 1768kg for ice. Your driveway should be able to hold around 8000 lbs, or 3600 kg. Basically the only ev you need to worry about is an electric Hummer.
And, again, if you feel your driveway can't be used as a driveway, it's already broken. The point of the thing is for people to put cars on it.
You're welcome to put signs up on your own property for whatever you like, but you look silly getting upset for something like that.
It's like putting up a sign demanding that people don't knock on your door because if they do it'll fall off the hinges. It's your right, but don't be surprised if people don't look for the sign, and maybe just get something that isn't broken.
That 8000lbs is for 3” of asphalt, not concrete.
You are entirely misinformed.
Weird, because "googling it" shows that every source says otherwise.
Maybe you should check your recollection before spouting off about stuff so confidently.
If 300kg makes that big a difference, your driveway is broken. Do you think your driveway is permanently damaged by something as extreme as "two cars" being parked on it?
Concrete is stronger than asphalt though.
I was going to point that out. It's significantly stronger. What a boob.
Everyone but Amazon pulls into my driveway. I share a double wide driveway with the neighbours and the deliver drivers love it. Only time it's been an issue was when a ambulance parked there for someone across the street and we couldn't exit. Woe is me -- someone is literally dying and I had a minor inconvenience. All in all, pretty happy with it.
Really? Our delivery drivers pull into the driveway all the time. Just had a FedEx truck in our driveway a few hours ago, in fact. Now that I think about it, Amazon trucks often stay at the street, but not always; my wife had to wait for one to leave the other day when she got home as Amazon was making a delivery.
you can request them not too as well.
Not too what? Request them not too heavy...?
Lol if a F150 or EV damages your "driveway" it was never an actual driveway to begin with. As in, no it won't damage a driveway. You're thinking of a lawn.
Brooks said. The extra weight will affect everything from faster wear on residential streets and driveways to vehicle tires and infrastructure like parking garages.
Wear on road goes up by the fourth power. Do you have any idea what a fully loaded tractor trailer weighs? Consumer vehicles are not even a rounding error.
Residential roads are built vastly different than interstate roads. Sorry to inform you.
To, you know, build those houses you have those tractor trailers. And concrete trucks. In addition to transit buses, garbage trucks, moving and furniture trucks. Consumer vehicles are a rounding error.
Those are weight limited to feeder roads, only smaller versions of those can do down the actual residential roads. They aren’t built the same, no matter how much you want to claim and argue they are. Roads are built differently, and some have weight limits since the weight will absolutely destroy them.
When you order concrete, they can’t always send the large trucks, it can cost more to do work on residential streets since they need to batch more vehicles and more drivers. If you aren’t in the industry, you probably wouldn’t know this, but the road construction differences are all over the NHTSA website if you want to learn something.
Oh yeah no concrete trucks lol. Do you think they are weight limited to residential vehicles? Fucking lol. Doubt they could even do that empty. And you didn't even touch all my other examples.
Dude at a certain point you have to admit you're wrong and stop digging your hole. Seems you can't here so cheers.
There’s more than one type of concert truck dude… there’s tractor trailer (won’t send on residential roads) and a bodyjob. Which are legal for residential roads. One can hold more, so it weighs more, and would damage those roads, so they get fined if they send large vehicles down them. This isn’t a lie, this is a fact lmfao. And you want to claim it’s not? Read the NHTSA legislation, it’s all right there for you in ways to digest format.
They have more tires that have a larger footprint so its weight is distributed more, that’s what matters, not the weight, the psi it exerts onto the ground. You would be surprised to find they exert less force overall than other vehicles, but I know you won’t ever believe this lmfao.
Theres is also weight limited roads. Did you not learn about these during drivers ed…?
See you have to keep drifting from EVs and F150s, fucking lol. Remember that was your first hole. Besides trying to effectively ignore, well, all my examples (because yes I am familiar with the concrete trucks used in residential construction). And driveways were covered with moving trucks and furniture trucks (fully loaded of course). Ok I really can't keep correcting you all day. Cheers.
You can’t correct me since you are entirely mistaken and wrong lmfao.
Its weight distribution, the overall weight is a portion of the calculation. Theres a reason why larger vehicles have more larger tires dude…
It’s okay to be wrong, the NHTSA has some wonderful information for you.
Michael Brooks, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety
How does this even make him qualified to be making such statements? Furthermore, my residential neighborhood is full of 25 year old driveways and big ass trucks like F350 diesels and nobody has damaged driveways.
You understand that some people cut corners and may not have the same quality of products yeah? That’s for them to decide, not you. Some people make their driveway out of paving stones FFS LMFAO.
And some counties have different codes and standards, maybe where you live it’s 6” slabs and it’s fine, but lots of places are 3.5” driveways dude. And lots of places cut corners dropping it to even 3” or less. Without engineers verifying, it’s a crapshoot. And no one wants to pay for that for a resi driveway.
Not everyone is going to have the same experiences as you lmfao.
Wish I hadn't read this headline, it validates the anxiety I've had before about being confronted for turning around in a stranger's driveway.
Dude, people get unreasonably pissy about that. I don't know why. For instance, there are several houses around here with big "No U Turns In Driveway!" or similar signage to the same effect, which all have like 4 foot long driveways in locations where I can't imagine anyone would be looking for a spot to turn around anyway.
Motherfuckers must be paranoid. It's got to be exhausting, being so spooked all the time.
Devil's avocado: People used to turn around in my driveway all the time at my old house. If they stayed on the pavement, that'd be one thing. But half of them cut into the grass, and it turned it into and stayed a rutted, muddy mess.
Granted, I would never start taking pot shots at people turning, but I did put up a sign.
Thus the giant rocks I see on either side of the end of some driveways. Possible car damage seems to be a helpful deterrent to driving through the grass.
I have big boulders for inflicting car damage if someone goes off the driveway.
Otherwise I don't care if someone turns around in my driveway.
That works too. lol I just didn't have any handy, and I thought cinder blocks would either look trashy or get stolen.
They only look trashy until they get stolen.
Win/win? Lose/lose? That's for you to decide.
To prevent people from parking in front of and blocking my driveway, which happens often due to the location, I cast some traffic cones out of concrete and spaced them so parallel parking anything larger than a motorcycle is impossible but you can pull in between them nose first or in reverse. They weigh 180 pounds each, and look squishy... until you strike them with a vehicle.
Watching morons clonk into them is hilarious. But they seldom do it twice.
Boulders are the best kind of decorative bollard
Yeah that sucks but a couple large rocks or simple fence would take care of it.
This is what happens when you have a libertarian rural populace. They believe that you entering their property is an invasion of their sanctity.
I have one of those signs along with beware of dogs. Living in the country there has been a ton of theft here, stopped once i got 2 dogs. People were pulling in grabbing stuff often the first few years here. Other issue is I have a narrow driveway and road, it a pain to back out and not go in the ditch or hit the mailbox. 500ft down the road is a turn around for the school bus, they can turn around there.
Side note, due to the unruly angry people that live in the country. Was taught as a kid to not use people's driveways for turning around, don't want to get shot.
If someone is using a driveway to turn around, I'd put money on them being lost and not knowing about the bus turn around farther down the road.
Living life in fear.
There is some legitimate reasons for it, but not likely to ever be the case. Larger vehicles may damage their driveway if it’s older or not as well built. So it works for their sedan, but an f-150 or a EV could irreparably damage it. People wouldn’t ever think of that, it’s like driving on their grass basically. Who does that?
It’s their private property, they do have a right to protect from damage from people entering it, but not to death.
Protect as in "put up a sign", sure. But I can't justify any amount of force to protect someone's driveway.
If your driveway is damaged by using it as a driveway, then it's already too late and you need a new one. You have no control over what delivery people are driving, or any number or legitimate public service workers who might need to stop at your house.
No delivery driver pulls up on driveways anywhere I have been, and you can request them not too as well. Lots will damage driveways due their weight (see below), so policy is to avoid for liability reasons.
And same as above for public service workers as well, you can request stuff too.
And that’s actually not true, lots of driveways aren’t able to handle EV weight, the standard 3.5-4” isn’t strong enough. It’ll damage very quickly. It’s not brought up enough to be honest.
EVs aren't uniformly heavier than ice vehicles. Median weight is 2145kg vs 1768kg for ice. Your driveway should be able to hold around 8000 lbs, or 3600 kg. Basically the only ev you need to worry about is an electric Hummer.
And, again, if you feel your driveway can't be used as a driveway, it's already broken. The point of the thing is for people to put cars on it.
You're welcome to put signs up on your own property for whatever you like, but you look silly getting upset for something like that.
It's like putting up a sign demanding that people don't knock on your door because if they do it'll fall off the hinges. It's your right, but don't be surprised if people don't look for the sign, and maybe just get something that isn't broken.
That 8000lbs is for 3” of asphalt, not concrete.
You are entirely misinformed.
Weird, because "googling it" shows that every source says otherwise.
Maybe you should check your recollection before spouting off about stuff so confidently.
If 300kg makes that big a difference, your driveway is broken. Do you think your driveway is permanently damaged by something as extreme as "two cars" being parked on it?
Concrete is stronger than asphalt though.
I was going to point that out. It's significantly stronger. What a boob.
Everyone but Amazon pulls into my driveway. I share a double wide driveway with the neighbours and the deliver drivers love it. Only time it's been an issue was when a ambulance parked there for someone across the street and we couldn't exit. Woe is me -- someone is literally dying and I had a minor inconvenience. All in all, pretty happy with it.
Really? Our delivery drivers pull into the driveway all the time. Just had a FedEx truck in our driveway a few hours ago, in fact. Now that I think about it, Amazon trucks often stay at the street, but not always; my wife had to wait for one to leave the other day when she got home as Amazon was making a delivery.
Not too what? Request them not too heavy...?
Lol if a F150 or EV damages your "driveway" it was never an actual driveway to begin with. As in, no it won't damage a driveway. You're thinking of a lawn.
I mean that’s just plain fucking false
Wear on road goes up by the fourth power. Do you have any idea what a fully loaded tractor trailer weighs? Consumer vehicles are not even a rounding error.
Residential roads are built vastly different than interstate roads. Sorry to inform you.
To, you know, build those houses you have those tractor trailers. And concrete trucks. In addition to transit buses, garbage trucks, moving and furniture trucks. Consumer vehicles are a rounding error.
Those are weight limited to feeder roads, only smaller versions of those can do down the actual residential roads. They aren’t built the same, no matter how much you want to claim and argue they are. Roads are built differently, and some have weight limits since the weight will absolutely destroy them.
When you order concrete, they can’t always send the large trucks, it can cost more to do work on residential streets since they need to batch more vehicles and more drivers. If you aren’t in the industry, you probably wouldn’t know this, but the road construction differences are all over the NHTSA website if you want to learn something.
Oh yeah no concrete trucks lol. Do you think they are weight limited to residential vehicles? Fucking lol. Doubt they could even do that empty. And you didn't even touch all my other examples.
Dude at a certain point you have to admit you're wrong and stop digging your hole. Seems you can't here so cheers.
There’s more than one type of concert truck dude… there’s tractor trailer (won’t send on residential roads) and a bodyjob. Which are legal for residential roads. One can hold more, so it weighs more, and would damage those roads, so they get fined if they send large vehicles down them. This isn’t a lie, this is a fact lmfao. And you want to claim it’s not? Read the NHTSA legislation, it’s all right there for you in ways to digest format.
They have more tires that have a larger footprint so its weight is distributed more, that’s what matters, not the weight, the psi it exerts onto the ground. You would be surprised to find they exert less force overall than other vehicles, but I know you won’t ever believe this lmfao.
Theres is also weight limited roads. Did you not learn about these during drivers ed…?
See you have to keep drifting from EVs and F150s, fucking lol. Remember that was your first hole. Besides trying to effectively ignore, well, all my examples (because yes I am familiar with the concrete trucks used in residential construction). And driveways were covered with moving trucks and furniture trucks (fully loaded of course). Ok I really can't keep correcting you all day. Cheers.
You can’t correct me since you are entirely mistaken and wrong lmfao.
Its weight distribution, the overall weight is a portion of the calculation. Theres a reason why larger vehicles have more larger tires dude…
It’s okay to be wrong, the NHTSA has some wonderful information for you.
How does this even make him qualified to be making such statements? Furthermore, my residential neighborhood is full of 25 year old driveways and big ass trucks like F350 diesels and nobody has damaged driveways.
You understand that some people cut corners and may not have the same quality of products yeah? That’s for them to decide, not you. Some people make their driveway out of paving stones FFS LMFAO.
And some counties have different codes and standards, maybe where you live it’s 6” slabs and it’s fine, but lots of places are 3.5” driveways dude. And lots of places cut corners dropping it to even 3” or less. Without engineers verifying, it’s a crapshoot. And no one wants to pay for that for a resi driveway.
Not everyone is going to have the same experiences as you lmfao.