I'm so confused by all these comments. Does nobody know what a primary is? That's precisely the time to vote your conscience or register a protest vote; all the (valid) arguments about helping Trump only apply in the general election.
and even then WA is too blue for a green party protest vote to risk anything. vote for biden in nevada or arizona yeah but if anything it's better to go third party in a deep blue state
Right, because things that happen now won't have consequences later. Surely a primary result where "uncommitted" or other non-Biden choice gains traction wouldn't be used by the GOP to trash the only viable Democrat running for president.
Do you think they won't trash biden if we don't protest?
Do you think they wouldn't say he couldn't win against trump?
If the GOP saying biden was unpopular is gonna change someone's vote, they'll say it whether its true or not, so that's no excuse to vote against biden in the election that's nothing but symbolic.
No, I think they become more dangerous when we play into their hands and give them scraps of incomplete data to reinforce their narrative.
I think this is an excuse to silence people who don't support the Biden/Netanyahu genocide.
Imagine believing that the truth should be suppressed so that an incumbent can remain in power regardless of their actions and to avoid consequences.
Imagine that being the interpretation of words that didn't say that thing. I think this attempt to push people toward an uncommitted vote is a tactic to split the left and generate infighting that can be exploited for the benefit of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea (and, to a lesser but still significant extent, the Republican party here in the USA). Manipulation of partial information to feed a narrative is not truth.
> I think this attempt to push people toward an uncommitted vote is a tactic to split the left and generate infighting that can be exploited for the benefit of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea (and, to a lesser but still significant extent, the Republican party here in the USA).
this is a conspiracy theory. the people advocating for it are explaining their motivation and tactic clearly. choosing not to believe them is paranoia.
Then I'm paranoid. Guess that's what living through recent history does to observations of the present.
That's not really a conspiracy theory. It's exactly how propaganda and state sponsored FUD works.
The spreaders of propaganda find a point where they can create dissension, create a talking point around that point of dissension, convince people that it's their idea to buy into the dissension.
Example of how FUD works. This is not something that I know happened. This is just a hypothetical example of FUD works, it is not known fact. I was not sitting in a room with a bunch of Russian agents that decided to AstroTurf beehaw or some other radical left wing Lemmy instance with a trendy talking point so they can influence the 2024 American presidential election in an effort to get a president elected who will withdraw American support for NATO, eleminate funding for the Ukraine war effort, and support Zionist ambitions in Israel. This is just an example of how FUD works.
Russia/RNC/whoever see they can exploit the genocide in Israel to weaken Joe Biden by framing him as a perpetrator of genocide. They go on internet forums that are sympathetic to this cause like Lemmy. They pose as upset Democratic voters that are going to teach the DNC a lesson by refusing to vote for Joe Biden and help get Trump reelected. They have bad faith discussions with well meaning but gullible Lemmings (known as useful idiots or "UI") and convince the UI that not supporting Joe Biden is the right thing to do and that the UI is a reasonable person that is just responding the facts in front of them. They do this by coming up with catchy nicknames like Genocide Joe and appealing to the UI's need to feel heard and be represented. The UI then goes about their day spreading this message far and wide never realizing they were manipulated into believing something and engaging in an action that will ultimately harm them.
It's standard procedure perfected by the Russians over the last 10 years or so. People are incredibly easy to manipulate, that's why advertising and marketing are so effective.
you're theorizing that there is a conspiracy.
Which part is the theory?
>Russia/RNC/whoever see they can exploit the genocide in Israel to weaken Joe Biden by framing him as a perpetrator of genocide.
and
>They go on internet forums that are sympathetic to this cause like Lemmy.
and
>They pose as upset Democratic voters that are going to teach the DNC a lesson by refusing to vote for Joe Biden and help get Trump reelected.
and
>They have bad faith discussions with well meaning but gullible Lemmings (known as useful idiots or "UI") and convince the UI that not supporting Joe Biden is the right thing to do and that the UI is a reasonable person that is just responding the facts in front of them.
and
> They do this by coming up with catchy nicknames like Genocide Joe and appealing to the UI's need to feel heard and be represented.
and
>The UI then goes about their day spreading this message far and wide never realizing they were manipulated into believing something and engaging in an action that will ultimately harm them.
That was an example of how FUD works. I can see why you think state sponsored FUD is a conspiracy that doesn't exist.
your example isnt fact: it's a theory about how a conspiracy could be trying to influence people on the fediverse.
If someone was running against Biden in the primaries would you say the same thing?
So your suggestion is to prevent infighting by enforcing silence? And this decidedly lack of discourse is for the benefit of Americans? Why is my disapproval of Biden, and want for the DNC to pick literally anyone else, better for foreign agents?
Right? I used to think like the other sheep and vote for the do least harm candidate. Now I'm going to show the DNC that I can't be bullied and vote Republican for everything, MAGA!
That will hold Joe Biden accountable and show the Democrats that there are consequences for their actions.
Republicans are not running in the Democratic primary.
EXACTLY! Republicans ONLY trash Democrats in Good Faith with Reality Based Arguments! If we DON'T give them Reality Based Arguments, they 100% WON'T trash us!
That makes no sense. The GOP will trash any Democratic candidate regardless, even if they have to make up shit to do so. If you want a candidate that will appeal to GOP voters, you'll be best off with a Republican.
I'm so confused by all these comments. Does nobody know what a primary is? That's precisely the time to vote your conscience or register a protest vote; all the (valid) arguments about helping Trump only apply in the general election.
and even then WA is too blue for a green party protest vote to risk anything. vote for biden in nevada or arizona yeah but if anything it's better to go third party in a deep blue state
Right, because things that happen now won't have consequences later. Surely a primary result where "uncommitted" or other non-Biden choice gains traction wouldn't be used by the GOP to trash the only viable Democrat running for president.
Do you think they won't trash biden if we don't protest?
Do you think they wouldn't say he couldn't win against trump?
If the GOP saying biden was unpopular is gonna change someone's vote, they'll say it whether its true or not, so that's no excuse to vote against biden in the election that's nothing but symbolic.
No, I think they become more dangerous when we play into their hands and give them scraps of incomplete data to reinforce their narrative.
I think this is an excuse to silence people who don't support the Biden/Netanyahu genocide.
Imagine believing that the truth should be suppressed so that an incumbent can remain in power regardless of their actions and to avoid consequences.
Imagine that being the interpretation of words that didn't say that thing. I think this attempt to push people toward an uncommitted vote is a tactic to split the left and generate infighting that can be exploited for the benefit of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea (and, to a lesser but still significant extent, the Republican party here in the USA). Manipulation of partial information to feed a narrative is not truth.
> I think this attempt to push people toward an uncommitted vote is a tactic to split the left and generate infighting that can be exploited for the benefit of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea (and, to a lesser but still significant extent, the Republican party here in the USA).
this is a conspiracy theory. the people advocating for it are explaining their motivation and tactic clearly. choosing not to believe them is paranoia.
Then I'm paranoid. Guess that's what living through recent history does to observations of the present.
That's not really a conspiracy theory. It's exactly how propaganda and state sponsored FUD works.
The spreaders of propaganda find a point where they can create dissension, create a talking point around that point of dissension, convince people that it's their idea to buy into the dissension.
Example of how FUD works. This is not something that I know happened. This is just a hypothetical example of FUD works, it is not known fact. I was not sitting in a room with a bunch of Russian agents that decided to AstroTurf beehaw or some other radical left wing Lemmy instance with a trendy talking point so they can influence the 2024 American presidential election in an effort to get a president elected who will withdraw American support for NATO, eleminate funding for the Ukraine war effort, and support Zionist ambitions in Israel. This is just an example of how FUD works.
Russia/RNC/whoever see they can exploit the genocide in Israel to weaken Joe Biden by framing him as a perpetrator of genocide. They go on internet forums that are sympathetic to this cause like Lemmy. They pose as upset Democratic voters that are going to teach the DNC a lesson by refusing to vote for Joe Biden and help get Trump reelected. They have bad faith discussions with well meaning but gullible Lemmings (known as useful idiots or "UI") and convince the UI that not supporting Joe Biden is the right thing to do and that the UI is a reasonable person that is just responding the facts in front of them. They do this by coming up with catchy nicknames like Genocide Joe and appealing to the UI's need to feel heard and be represented. The UI then goes about their day spreading this message far and wide never realizing they were manipulated into believing something and engaging in an action that will ultimately harm them.
It's standard procedure perfected by the Russians over the last 10 years or so. People are incredibly easy to manipulate, that's why advertising and marketing are so effective.
you're theorizing that there is a conspiracy.
Which part is the theory?
>Russia/RNC/whoever see they can exploit the genocide in Israel to weaken Joe Biden by framing him as a perpetrator of genocide.
and
>They go on internet forums that are sympathetic to this cause like Lemmy.
and
>They pose as upset Democratic voters that are going to teach the DNC a lesson by refusing to vote for Joe Biden and help get Trump reelected.
and
>They have bad faith discussions with well meaning but gullible Lemmings (known as useful idiots or "UI") and convince the UI that not supporting Joe Biden is the right thing to do and that the UI is a reasonable person that is just responding the facts in front of them.
and
> They do this by coming up with catchy nicknames like Genocide Joe and appealing to the UI's need to feel heard and be represented.
and
>The UI then goes about their day spreading this message far and wide never realizing they were manipulated into believing something and engaging in an action that will ultimately harm them.
That was an example of how FUD works. I can see why you think state sponsored FUD is a conspiracy that doesn't exist.
your example isnt fact: it's a theory about how a conspiracy could be trying to influence people on the fediverse.
If someone was running against Biden in the primaries would you say the same thing?
So your suggestion is to prevent infighting by enforcing silence? And this decidedly lack of discourse is for the benefit of Americans? Why is my disapproval of Biden, and want for the DNC to pick literally anyone else, better for foreign agents?
Right? I used to think like the other sheep and vote for the do least harm candidate. Now I'm going to show the DNC that I can't be bullied and vote Republican for everything, MAGA!
That will hold Joe Biden accountable and show the Democrats that there are consequences for their actions.
Republicans are not running in the Democratic primary.
So when should we protest?
EXACTLY! Republicans ONLY trash Democrats in Good Faith with Reality Based Arguments! If we DON'T give them Reality Based Arguments, they 100% WON'T trash us!
That makes no sense. The GOP will trash any Democratic candidate regardless, even if they have to make up shit to do so. If you want a candidate that will appeal to GOP voters, you'll be best off with a Republican.
Genocide supporters broker no criticism.