Serious question, but like, does anyone think things are going to be OK? Like... Anyone?
Thing aren't ok now. We're actively funding people that kill civilians and children, all while the people back home living check to check are defaulting on payments, trying to afford ever increasing grocery prices and gas. But the stock market and billionaires are doing good so at least we have that.
We're the country of giving up your life and health for the rich.
No.
I haven't thought things will be ok since Bush Jr lol
It's been a slow but steady decline into absolute insanity that just recently got turned up to 11.
The George W. Bush administration (and the burgeoning WWW 2.0) allowed me to look back and realize that since Reagan the US has been on the express train to fascism, autocracy and genocide. Scholars point out the Southern Strategy and the Moral Majority were active responses to the end of segregation and the legalization of interracial marriage. And then Behind The Bastards dated it back to industrialists living the good live during the Great Depression being sore about the New Deal, and their plot to repurpose Christianity and patriotism to create an American order of feudalism and fascism.
And here we are with the Heritage Society's Project 2025 looking to seal the deal.
Yeah... As soon as you realize that slavery is a type of civil war because it's a war on people living in the country, you start to realize that there's never really been a time that the US wasn't in a civil war. And when you look at the Red Summer, you see that genocide that's being scheduled now is just part of the regular cycles of America... Like... Maybe a country built on genocide and slavery is a bad idea that can't ever be fixed.
Maybe a country built on genocide and slavery is a bad idea that can't ever be fixed.
Agreed, but replacing the United States with a new state, one created with a Constitution 2.0 so to speak, would likely be sufficient if executed properly.
Fundamentally though, we need to remove the current ownership class from power and instead place power within the working class. Oligarchs cannot exist if a society is to be free from fascism
When the Romans and later Christians colonized Europe, they systematically exterminated almost all of the indigenous cultures there over the course of hundreds of years. During this process they brought the ideas of states, genocide, and colonization itself. When the Roman state collapsed, these colonized people rebuilt states that ultimately replicated the horrors they experienced across the globe.
Mabye the answer this time isn't "let's rebuild the same atrocity machine." Land Back is an option, and there's even a model we can look to in Norther Syria. I'm just skeptical of any attempt to replace an old state with a new one because it always seems to fail in exactly the same oligarchy/authoritarianism decline in to suffering...and the last few centuries have seen states start to speed run this. Like, AfD is on the rise in Germany and there are literally still WWII vets alive today. Perhaps you're right, but I just don't see how states could be the right option here.
Currently, I don't think so. The problem is the WILDLY different views on what the actual problems even are, let alone what we should do to try to solve them.
If we can actually charge trump criminally, I think we'll be okay. He is a self-serving squealer, on top of being and idiotic blabber that can't keep a secret. He will bury every one of his sycophants to get a single day off his prison sentence.
Also, nothing is scarier than a peaceful man resorting to violence. The non-MAGA majority are slow to violence, but if it happens, it would be swift and unstoppable.
What do you think will measurably change in the average person's day to day life if Trump gets charged or not? Are taxes going down? Wages going up? Will housing or healthcare become more affordable? The whole fucking thing just seems like a clown show designed to keep people distracted from actual problems to me.
Don't get me wrong, he's a traitor and should be treated as such along with all his cronies but I just don't believe anything will get better for me afterwards.
Well, let's look at it this way.
Tax cuts for the benefit of corporations and billionaires puts extra burden on middle and low income brackets. Knew jerk reactions to common sense legislation to limit the availability of firearms in public puts extra stress on people who need to go to school, or shop, or drive on highways, or work public-facing jobs. Slashing public spending reduces the quality of our infrastructure. Limiting access to reproductive care harms our perception of bodily autonomy, and the ability to plan financial and socially for the long term future. All of those aspects, and more, are core to the Republican party right now, and each of them directly affect the quality of your day to day life. So yes, it will get better if trump goes to jail and takes the bottom 25% of that social scum with him.
More will just move in to fill the gaps. The voter base they are trying to appeal to and the corporate interests they are bribed by will still be there.
Sure, but they'll get snatched up too, once we realize it's okay to arrest "white collar" criminals and put them in jail.
But there will always be more. The justice system moves too slowly to actually deal with the problem. By the time they're punished the damage is done and they've set it up to be even worse with the next guy.
The fact that a perfect world is out of reach doesn’t mean we should give up and not try little incremental improvements to the world we actually have.
I’d say most of us benefit from the existence of a functional and fair justice system. I’m not saying we have that now, but moving in that direction is good for society.
The other issues you pointed out, those need to be improved as well.
But incremental change will not ever fix our problems, not even if Biden-style dems are elected consecutively for the next 100 years.
Our very system is a threat to the living standards of normal Americans because our system has been taken over by billionaires/oligarchs. Therefore, the only way to fix it is structural change. Incrementalism is inherently insufficient. And a belief in incrementalism is a refusal to fully acknowledge the scale and scope of the problem.
Trump is popular because our system is rotten and is designed to empower the ownership class at the expense of the working class. Until that precise issue is resolved, we will never be nationally secure from domestic fascism
I think there's a good chance things are going to be ok
I see you have 0 up votes (and 0 down votes).
I like your style. Don't give up. You will be disappointed, but don't give up.
That's good. But like.... How?
I didn't think we would survive 2020 and yet here we are
I hear that ominous music, too
How long of a timeline? 100 years from now? W/ global warming, no. 400 years from now? Yeah, they'll be fine. Maybe only 200.
I mean, this is kind of like the meditation on death from the book of the five rings. Like, once you accept death as inevitable you can see that on a long enough time scale things will be fine.
Well said
We've beaten Trump before we can do it again. He's a fucking 3x loser and his supporters are still full of hope.
Meanwhile Democrats after winning the presidency and the midterms are shitting themselves instead of standing up to the fuckery and organizing to vote.
Honestly things are going pretty well compared to most of history and we got through all that.
Serious question, but like, does anyone think things are going to be OK? Like... Anyone?
Thing aren't ok now. We're actively funding people that kill civilians and children, all while the people back home living check to check are defaulting on payments, trying to afford ever increasing grocery prices and gas. But the stock market and billionaires are doing good so at least we have that.
We're the country of giving up your life and health for the rich.
No.
I haven't thought things will be ok since Bush Jr lol
It's been a slow but steady decline into absolute insanity that just recently got turned up to 11.
The George W. Bush administration (and the burgeoning WWW 2.0) allowed me to look back and realize that since Reagan the US has been on the express train to fascism, autocracy and genocide. Scholars point out the Southern Strategy and the Moral Majority were active responses to the end of segregation and the legalization of interracial marriage. And then Behind The Bastards dated it back to industrialists living the good live during the Great Depression being sore about the New Deal, and their plot to repurpose Christianity and patriotism to create an American order of feudalism and fascism.
And here we are with the Heritage Society's Project 2025 looking to seal the deal.
Yeah... As soon as you realize that slavery is a type of civil war because it's a war on people living in the country, you start to realize that there's never really been a time that the US wasn't in a civil war. And when you look at the Red Summer, you see that genocide that's being scheduled now is just part of the regular cycles of America... Like... Maybe a country built on genocide and slavery is a bad idea that can't ever be fixed.
Agreed, but replacing the United States with a new state, one created with a Constitution 2.0 so to speak, would likely be sufficient if executed properly.
Fundamentally though, we need to remove the current ownership class from power and instead place power within the working class. Oligarchs cannot exist if a society is to be free from fascism
When the Romans and later Christians colonized Europe, they systematically exterminated almost all of the indigenous cultures there over the course of hundreds of years. During this process they brought the ideas of states, genocide, and colonization itself. When the Roman state collapsed, these colonized people rebuilt states that ultimately replicated the horrors they experienced across the globe.
Mabye the answer this time isn't "let's rebuild the same atrocity machine." Land Back is an option, and there's even a model we can look to in Norther Syria. I'm just skeptical of any attempt to replace an old state with a new one because it always seems to fail in exactly the same oligarchy/authoritarianism decline in to suffering...and the last few centuries have seen states start to speed run this. Like, AfD is on the rise in Germany and there are literally still WWII vets alive today. Perhaps you're right, but I just don't see how states could be the right option here.
Currently, I don't think so. The problem is the WILDLY different views on what the actual problems even are, let alone what we should do to try to solve them.
If we can actually charge trump criminally, I think we'll be okay. He is a self-serving squealer, on top of being and idiotic blabber that can't keep a secret. He will bury every one of his sycophants to get a single day off his prison sentence.
Also, nothing is scarier than a peaceful man resorting to violence. The non-MAGA majority are slow to violence, but if it happens, it would be swift and unstoppable.
What do you think will measurably change in the average person's day to day life if Trump gets charged or not? Are taxes going down? Wages going up? Will housing or healthcare become more affordable? The whole fucking thing just seems like a clown show designed to keep people distracted from actual problems to me.
Don't get me wrong, he's a traitor and should be treated as such along with all his cronies but I just don't believe anything will get better for me afterwards.
Well, let's look at it this way. Tax cuts for the benefit of corporations and billionaires puts extra burden on middle and low income brackets. Knew jerk reactions to common sense legislation to limit the availability of firearms in public puts extra stress on people who need to go to school, or shop, or drive on highways, or work public-facing jobs. Slashing public spending reduces the quality of our infrastructure. Limiting access to reproductive care harms our perception of bodily autonomy, and the ability to plan financial and socially for the long term future. All of those aspects, and more, are core to the Republican party right now, and each of them directly affect the quality of your day to day life. So yes, it will get better if trump goes to jail and takes the bottom 25% of that social scum with him.
More will just move in to fill the gaps. The voter base they are trying to appeal to and the corporate interests they are bribed by will still be there.
Sure, but they'll get snatched up too, once we realize it's okay to arrest "white collar" criminals and put them in jail.
But there will always be more. The justice system moves too slowly to actually deal with the problem. By the time they're punished the damage is done and they've set it up to be even worse with the next guy.
The fact that a perfect world is out of reach doesn’t mean we should give up and not try little incremental improvements to the world we actually have.
I’d say most of us benefit from the existence of a functional and fair justice system. I’m not saying we have that now, but moving in that direction is good for society.
The other issues you pointed out, those need to be improved as well.
But incremental change will not ever fix our problems, not even if Biden-style dems are elected consecutively for the next 100 years.
Our very system is a threat to the living standards of normal Americans because our system has been taken over by billionaires/oligarchs. Therefore, the only way to fix it is structural change. Incrementalism is inherently insufficient. And a belief in incrementalism is a refusal to fully acknowledge the scale and scope of the problem.
Trump is popular because our system is rotten and is designed to empower the ownership class at the expense of the working class. Until that precise issue is resolved, we will never be nationally secure from domestic fascism
I think there's a good chance things are going to be ok
I see you have 0 up votes (and 0 down votes).
I like your style. Don't give up. You will be disappointed, but don't give up.
That's good. But like.... How?
I didn't think we would survive 2020 and yet here we are
I hear that ominous music, too
How long of a timeline? 100 years from now? W/ global warming, no. 400 years from now? Yeah, they'll be fine. Maybe only 200.
I mean, this is kind of like the meditation on death from the book of the five rings. Like, once you accept death as inevitable you can see that on a long enough time scale things will be fine.
Well said
We've beaten Trump before we can do it again. He's a fucking 3x loser and his supporters are still full of hope.
Meanwhile Democrats after winning the presidency and the midterms are shitting themselves instead of standing up to the fuckery and organizing to vote.
Honestly things are going pretty well compared to most of history and we got through all that.