Have some humanity. I fucking hate Mitch and the GOP as much as anyone, but this seems like nothing more than a tragic accident. The woman had a family and Im grieving their loss. This sucks all around.
She's a fucking billionaire that spends holidays with Mitch McConnell.
No one she knows gives a single fuck about you or anyone you know.
And they're actively hurting millions of people without a second thought.
Don't waste your pity on someone like this
To be fair, the plea was for humanity, not billionairity. At some point this person was an infant and we'd protect and care about her then.
Yes, the inequality is atrocious and her party is cruel and ruthless about expanding it, but therein lies the catch - we're all gonna go some day. Right? Literally at the end of it we're all the same in that regard. (cryogenicists and brain-in-a-computer people to the left)
So I think it's a crazy and sad story, I feel bad for the human, but the larger metaphor is ok to be temporarily amused by, imho. Y'know the problem with the French Revolution was they got really into beheading people. Children, pets, etc. Like, way more than anyone should, "even though" etc. Because if we lose that humanity we're worse off than we are now, right?
Anyway, don't sweat the downvotes, humanity person. It's just people being mad about billionaires, and who isn't?
If you could push a button and get $1 million but a random person dies, would you push it? Billionaires are pushing that button all day every day, as many times as they possibly can
Exactly.
I would not push such a button.
I don’t think the kids who just miss their mom this morning are undeserving of my empathy no matter how much money the mom had. I can’t just turn off how I feel about this. I am sorry I made so many here angry though.
Fuck no, zero sympathy for billionaires.
Still , it's not something I'd be comfortable laughing about.
Edit: Seeing vs not seeing federated downvotes on kbin is really night and day
Meme authors are sure to help you with that; sit tight, they usually roll out pretty quick!
Im grieving their loss
That's seems odd for someone you don't know or care about at all.
I don’t know why, but it’s easy for me to imagine a person out there just grieving the loss of their mom this morning, and in turn imagining how I might feel in their shoes. It feels bad, and my heart does go out to them.
I am sorry that I made so many people here angry, but I can’t turn off how I feel about it. i stand by it.
I don't think anyone is angry towards you. You can put yourself in their shoes but grieving is a pretty personal experience, usually because it's someone you knew.
That's what empathy is.
It's an example of empathy but not what it is.
Wow this thread is a straight condemnation of Lemmy's high-horse. It's wild that the comment above yours is neutralized on votes and yours is so far in the negative. What did you do that was so worthy of condemnation? Express concern for another human being's family.
Of course, people here will tell you that billionaires discount lives on daily even while they discount the lives of the loved ones of this woman. Were all of them billionaires? Perhaps. Regardless of the size of their pockets we do know that they are human.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it's like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It's incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You're right to be concerned for the well-being of others, and I believe I'm right to be concerned about the company we're keeping here. It's seemingly a group of people that will dismiss the death of someone wealthy, even while they assume the wealthy will dismiss the death of the poor. I wouldn't say it's entirely incorrect even though it's just as morally bankrupt.
Your empathy for unempathetic people is depressing. Stand up for yourself better.
I fail to see how not having a modicum of empathy for this person's family after their horrific death qualifies as "standing up for myself," but do feel free to explain this worldview in detail.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family. Therefor you are defending and standing up for someone who would trash you. It’s just sad to watch from the outside is all.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family.
Even if this were true, are we to assume the same of this woman's grandchildren? Her distant family?
Regardless, I fail to see the need to laugh at a terrible death, and that is certainly not standing up for anyone's moral compass but my own.
The sad state of affairs here is how far you and others like you are removed from your humanity.
I don’t recall saying you should laugh. I recall saying you shouldn’t have empathy.
No, the top level comment refers to laughter and that is specifically what I am speaking out against here.
And yes, I do have empathy for the family members of this woman and I find it telling that you let that slide by.
I haven’t let anything slide by. You are making assumptions about my character simply because I have no empathy for a single person because of their choices that led them to die. Again. I, Me, Santa did not say laughing is okay.
You jumped into the thread unwittingly then, and I am glad you have some amount of concern for such frivolity at the conclusion of a horrible death.
However, I clearly and repeatedly highlighted OP's and my concern for the family, and yet again you seem to have missed that.
Correct. I am ignoring the family aspect of this story as it doesn’t matter. People die in car crashes every single day. A billionaire dying is a good thing imo. Like a dragon being plucked from the story books and laid before society’s feet. I am also very aware of how callous this is. The family does not deserve this. No one deserves this. But they damn sure do not deserve your empathy either imo. They are part of a family benefiting off suffering and doing nothing to stand out against it. They did their part letting themselves benefit from the unempathetic people they called family.
All of our families seem to have benefited from barbarity, (though I take your point in the here and now.) In addition, I have a hard time blaming those born into that family (particularly the younger members), as none of us choose our birth, and it seems to me that wealth can be as deranging as poverty.
If my words felt calibrated to attack, I apologize and truly appreciate the conversation. You are considerate and I appreciate the handle.
“Wealth can be as deranging as poverty” exactly. The problem is their inherent power from the wealth makes their interactions so much more destructive. Yet most of the time. They are just doing what’s best for their family. It’s hard to be callous tbh but sometimes I feel it’s needed. Lacking empathy is draining as fuck. Lol
Yeah not at all. I love discourse and not arguments. And I dunno I think we had good discourse. 💜
How does the family benefit from suffering?
The only way in my eyes to become a billionaire is off the suffering of others. So their association and ability to spend that money is their benefit. Whether attained by them or others. They still play an important role in the destruction of those other human beings production and value.
You are making assumptions about my character simply because I have no empathy for a single person because of their choices that led them to die
You bet your ass I’m judging your character based on this.
Have you ever looked at the Darwin awards and laughed? Damn you are just as bad as me!
Of course I have. I bet a lot of those people would laugh at their own deaths too, if they could see them afterward.
But that has nothing to do with empathy.
Being able to turn your empathy off at will, seeing empathy as a thing you can control, that tells me about your character.
You might not like that this reveals information about you, but it does.
Interesting. Having the ability to control empathy and how it’s handed out is a very strong defense mechanism. Surprised you haven’t done it yourself in order to protect yourself from narcissistic people you have met through life. Or maybe you are over analyzing my comment as it’s not like I’m able to turn empathy on and off at will. But factors will affect it. As with all things. Blatantly being empathetic to everything is a recipe for suffering.
Empathy is not the opposite of standing up for yourself, though thinking so does explain a hell of a lot of leftist politics these days.
Depends on the context of the situation in my opinion but I understand where you are coming from. I’ve found if someone has no empathy for me. I should not return the favor to them as they’ve shown their hand. Does that make me spiteful? Probably. But I really love the quote. “Listen when someone tells you who they are”. As you can tell I’m callous and don’t have empathy for billionaires or ultra rich.
They didn't say it was, that's a logical fallacy.
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. I don't want to be the kind of person that "turns off" empathy at will.
This is hilariously stupid, like genuinely ask yourself how Rage Against the Machine would feel about a billionaire dying.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
I mean, fuck billionaires in any sense that actually matters. They shouldn't get to hoard wealth while real people can't afford housing, medical care, etc. At the same time, I refuse to laugh at a human being drowning to death. Literally nobody deserves that. I'm also morally opposed to the death penalty.
Maybe I'm just not hardcore enough.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
So much online discourse I've seen on here is just the same as Reddit. Stripping the humanity of people you don't like. It's just tribalist, cringey, and narcissistic.
Not really; did you grieve for people you heard of dying in the news the other day? Grieving isn't just being sad for a brief moment then moving on with your day.
It’s okay. I realize lots of people are suffering and as a result tensions are high. I didn’t mean to make everyone so angry and I realize my initial comment of ‘have some humanity’ was to harsh. I’m sorry I made so many people angry with this.
I do feel bad for the people that loved this woman regardless of how much money she has. I don’t wish that pain on anyone.
You're fine, this gets out of hand quick and I ended up feeling for someone that was getting pilloried in the snap-back.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and have a great week.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it’s like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It’s incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You seem to have attributed feelings of people here to one side or the other, how and why? Do you have a record of how each person leans politically?
Have some humanity. I fucking hate Mitch and the GOP as much as anyone, but this seems like nothing more than a tragic accident. The woman had a family and Im grieving their loss. This sucks all around.
She's a fucking billionaire that spends holidays with Mitch McConnell.
No one she knows gives a single fuck about you or anyone you know.
And they're actively hurting millions of people without a second thought.
Don't waste your pity on someone like this
To be fair, the plea was for humanity, not billionairity. At some point this person was an infant and we'd protect and care about her then.
Yes, the inequality is atrocious and her party is cruel and ruthless about expanding it, but therein lies the catch - we're all gonna go some day. Right? Literally at the end of it we're all the same in that regard. (cryogenicists and brain-in-a-computer people to the left)
So I think it's a crazy and sad story, I feel bad for the human, but the larger metaphor is ok to be temporarily amused by, imho. Y'know the problem with the French Revolution was they got really into beheading people. Children, pets, etc. Like, way more than anyone should, "even though" etc. Because if we lose that humanity we're worse off than we are now, right?
Anyway, don't sweat the downvotes, humanity person. It's just people being mad about billionaires, and who isn't?
If you could push a button and get $1 million but a random person dies, would you push it? Billionaires are pushing that button all day every day, as many times as they possibly can
Exactly.
I would not push such a button.
I don’t think the kids who just miss their mom this morning are undeserving of my empathy no matter how much money the mom had. I can’t just turn off how I feel about this. I am sorry I made so many here angry though.
Fuck no, zero sympathy for billionaires.
Still , it's not something I'd be comfortable laughing about.
Edit: Seeing vs not seeing federated downvotes on kbin is really night and day
Meme authors are sure to help you with that; sit tight, they usually roll out pretty quick!
That's seems odd for someone you don't know or care about at all.
I don’t know why, but it’s easy for me to imagine a person out there just grieving the loss of their mom this morning, and in turn imagining how I might feel in their shoes. It feels bad, and my heart does go out to them.
I am sorry that I made so many people here angry, but I can’t turn off how I feel about it. i stand by it.
I don't think anyone is angry towards you. You can put yourself in their shoes but grieving is a pretty personal experience, usually because it's someone you knew.
That's what empathy is.
It's an example of empathy but not what it is.
Wow this thread is a straight condemnation of Lemmy's high-horse. It's wild that the comment above yours is neutralized on votes and yours is so far in the negative. What did you do that was so worthy of condemnation? Express concern for another human being's family.
Of course, people here will tell you that billionaires discount lives on daily even while they discount the lives of the loved ones of this woman. Were all of them billionaires? Perhaps. Regardless of the size of their pockets we do know that they are human.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it's like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It's incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You're right to be concerned for the well-being of others, and I believe I'm right to be concerned about the company we're keeping here. It's seemingly a group of people that will dismiss the death of someone wealthy, even while they assume the wealthy will dismiss the death of the poor. I wouldn't say it's entirely incorrect even though it's just as morally bankrupt.
Your empathy for unempathetic people is depressing. Stand up for yourself better.
I fail to see how not having a modicum of empathy for this person's family after their horrific death qualifies as "standing up for myself," but do feel free to explain this worldview in detail.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family. Therefor you are defending and standing up for someone who would trash you. It’s just sad to watch from the outside is all.
Even if this were true, are we to assume the same of this woman's grandchildren? Her distant family?
Regardless, I fail to see the need to laugh at a terrible death, and that is certainly not standing up for anyone's moral compass but my own.
The sad state of affairs here is how far you and others like you are removed from your humanity.
I don’t recall saying you should laugh. I recall saying you shouldn’t have empathy.
No, the top level comment refers to laughter and that is specifically what I am speaking out against here.
And yes, I do have empathy for the family members of this woman and I find it telling that you let that slide by.
I haven’t let anything slide by. You are making assumptions about my character simply because I have no empathy for a single person because of their choices that led them to die. Again. I, Me, Santa did not say laughing is okay.
You jumped into the thread unwittingly then, and I am glad you have some amount of concern for such frivolity at the conclusion of a horrible death.
However, I clearly and repeatedly highlighted OP's and my concern for the family, and yet again you seem to have missed that.
Correct. I am ignoring the family aspect of this story as it doesn’t matter. People die in car crashes every single day. A billionaire dying is a good thing imo. Like a dragon being plucked from the story books and laid before society’s feet. I am also very aware of how callous this is. The family does not deserve this. No one deserves this. But they damn sure do not deserve your empathy either imo. They are part of a family benefiting off suffering and doing nothing to stand out against it. They did their part letting themselves benefit from the unempathetic people they called family.
All of our families seem to have benefited from barbarity, (though I take your point in the here and now.) In addition, I have a hard time blaming those born into that family (particularly the younger members), as none of us choose our birth, and it seems to me that wealth can be as deranging as poverty.
If my words felt calibrated to attack, I apologize and truly appreciate the conversation. You are considerate and I appreciate the handle.
“Wealth can be as deranging as poverty” exactly. The problem is their inherent power from the wealth makes their interactions so much more destructive. Yet most of the time. They are just doing what’s best for their family. It’s hard to be callous tbh but sometimes I feel it’s needed. Lacking empathy is draining as fuck. Lol
Yeah not at all. I love discourse and not arguments. And I dunno I think we had good discourse. 💜
How does the family benefit from suffering?
The only way in my eyes to become a billionaire is off the suffering of others. So their association and ability to spend that money is their benefit. Whether attained by them or others. They still play an important role in the destruction of those other human beings production and value.
You bet your ass I’m judging your character based on this.
Have you ever looked at the Darwin awards and laughed? Damn you are just as bad as me!
Of course I have. I bet a lot of those people would laugh at their own deaths too, if they could see them afterward.
But that has nothing to do with empathy.
Being able to turn your empathy off at will, seeing empathy as a thing you can control, that tells me about your character.
You might not like that this reveals information about you, but it does.
Interesting. Having the ability to control empathy and how it’s handed out is a very strong defense mechanism. Surprised you haven’t done it yourself in order to protect yourself from narcissistic people you have met through life. Or maybe you are over analyzing my comment as it’s not like I’m able to turn empathy on and off at will. But factors will affect it. As with all things. Blatantly being empathetic to everything is a recipe for suffering.
Empathy is not the opposite of standing up for yourself, though thinking so does explain a hell of a lot of leftist politics these days.
Depends on the context of the situation in my opinion but I understand where you are coming from. I’ve found if someone has no empathy for me. I should not return the favor to them as they’ve shown their hand. Does that make me spiteful? Probably. But I really love the quote. “Listen when someone tells you who they are”. As you can tell I’m callous and don’t have empathy for billionaires or ultra rich.
They didn't say it was, that's a logical fallacy.
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. I don't want to be the kind of person that "turns off" empathy at will.
This is hilariously stupid, like genuinely ask yourself how Rage Against the Machine would feel about a billionaire dying.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
I mean, fuck billionaires in any sense that actually matters. They shouldn't get to hoard wealth while real people can't afford housing, medical care, etc. At the same time, I refuse to laugh at a human being drowning to death. Literally nobody deserves that. I'm also morally opposed to the death penalty.
Maybe I'm just not hardcore enough.
You quoted them so, maybe?
Fair enough. It’s just my opinion. 💜
So much online discourse I've seen on here is just the same as Reddit. Stripping the humanity of people you don't like. It's just tribalist, cringey, and narcissistic.
Not really; did you grieve for people you heard of dying in the news the other day? Grieving isn't just being sad for a brief moment then moving on with your day.
It’s okay. I realize lots of people are suffering and as a result tensions are high. I didn’t mean to make everyone so angry and I realize my initial comment of ‘have some humanity’ was to harsh. I’m sorry I made so many people angry with this.
I do feel bad for the people that loved this woman regardless of how much money she has. I don’t wish that pain on anyone.
You're fine, this gets out of hand quick and I ended up feeling for someone that was getting pilloried in the snap-back.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and have a great week.
You seem to have attributed feelings of people here to one side or the other, how and why? Do you have a record of how each person leans politically?