Everyone hates Rand Paul but he voted no on this, as did others on the left and the right. Fuck fascism and fuck left authoritarianism.
Rand Paul votes no on anything that allows the government to do anything. I doubt he even reads the bills.
I doubt he even reads the bills.
To be fair it's probably the same for Biden.
A principled stance is a principled stance.
All the people who wanted to maintain segregation (i.e. Rand's father) had principled stances. Should we admire them?
What principle would lead someone to support segregation?
In Rand's father's case? Libertarian nonsense about not being forced by the big bad government to stop with the 'whites only' bullshit.
Ah. Free association is what it'd be called by libertarians. I see what you mean now.
Was he against government-forced segregation?
I'm kind of bad in these situations (from a libertarian perspective) because I tend to refuse to worry about things I like the outcome of.
If you and I had incredibly similar views on how people should behave, and we both put time and money into achieving those outcomes, but I didn't support using violence (libertarian reductionist view of government), does that mean I support things I'm ostensibly fighting personally?
He would have opposed the Civil Rights Act "because of the property rights element." See? Principled stand.
I'm talking pure theory/ethics now. What I'd support politically will vary.
I agree with free association and, to some degree, property rights. I don't think my "yeah, fuck racists" stance is principled.
Okay, but we aren't talking about you.
Or a fanatical one.
Is consistency fanatical?
I'd call it radical for sure.
Neoliberals are conservatives. Always have been. By all international standards, the Democrat party is a conservative party and the Republicans are a more conservative party. We don't currently have a viable left/progressive party.
The entirety of the left-of-center in the US is a handfull of progressives, at most.
By international standards Biden is hard-right, Trump is far-right.
This shit is full-on rightwing authoritarianism.
What leftist vote for this? And don’t give me that shit about Dems being left.
there are no left authoritarians in office.
liberals are not leftists. haven't been since 1848.
Dunno why 1848, but those students on the streets of Vienna whom "dear father field marshal" Radetzky hanged on many lanterns were not leftist. They were pretty republican-nationalist, right liberal that is.
are you... are you defending the original incident that lead to the term 'tankie'? impressive.
I don't get your thought process. The original incidents were Soviet interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
sorry when I hear about a name from that language family I I st assume. I ignore most soviet history and as much american history as I can because its stupid and can be summarized 'and then they figured out how to make even worse decisions! hooray!'
Any liberal who supports disarming civilians is a left authoritarian.
I disagree, why do you insist on associating libs with the left? (yeah disarming people is faschy)
Only the fringe lunatics think it's even possible to disarm a population. Far lefties like myself realize the power that small arms represent in the fight against fascism. Marx said to arm up.
Marx also assumed that revolution eventually leads to a communist utopia.
Thus far they have only led to authoritarian regimes. Even Cuba is little more than a benevolent dictatorship.
Weapons are a good way to combat other weapons, not ideology.
fuck that dude about so much, but yeah, he wasnt wrong about everything.
that means anti armor and anti drone weapons, too!
Yeah, of my two reps (Utah), the one I dislike more voted no on this (Sen. Mike Lee), and the one I kinda like (Sen. Mitt Romney) voted yes. I'm not sure how to feel about this.
Lmao when Democrats do a bad thing it's left authoritarianism lol
And yet I still hate Rand Paul.
Hitler loved dogs.
If it's authoritarianism, it ain't left.
Tankies sadly exist in our side, but I don’t think there’s a single one in US politics.
tankies killed all the communists, then got named tankies for still defending killing all the communists again.
You can call yourself a leftist without actually espousing ideals reflecting it.
I actually watched recently a few videos on YT by Klim Zhukov (in Russian, naturally ; he's a Tankie and a historian by education), and I'm not so certain.
I may even agree than in some things they are more orthodox-Marxist than most western left movements.
Everyone hates Rand Paul but he voted no on this, as did others on the left and the right. Fuck fascism and fuck left authoritarianism.
Rand Paul votes no on anything that allows the government to do anything. I doubt he even reads the bills.
To be fair it's probably the same for Biden.
A principled stance is a principled stance.
All the people who wanted to maintain segregation (i.e. Rand's father) had principled stances. Should we admire them?
What principle would lead someone to support segregation?
In Rand's father's case? Libertarian nonsense about not being forced by the big bad government to stop with the 'whites only' bullshit.
Ah. Free association is what it'd be called by libertarians. I see what you mean now.
Was he against government-forced segregation?
I'm kind of bad in these situations (from a libertarian perspective) because I tend to refuse to worry about things I like the outcome of.
If you and I had incredibly similar views on how people should behave, and we both put time and money into achieving those outcomes, but I didn't support using violence (libertarian reductionist view of government), does that mean I support things I'm ostensibly fighting personally?
He would have opposed the Civil Rights Act "because of the property rights element." See? Principled stand.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/91287-paul-says-he-would-have-opposed-1964-civil-rights-act/
I'm talking pure theory/ethics now. What I'd support politically will vary.
I agree with free association and, to some degree, property rights. I don't think my "yeah, fuck racists" stance is principled.
Okay, but we aren't talking about you.
Or a fanatical one.
Is consistency fanatical?
I'd call it radical for sure.
Neoliberals are conservatives. Always have been. By all international standards, the Democrat party is a conservative party and the Republicans are a more conservative party. We don't currently have a viable left/progressive party.
The entirety of the left-of-center in the US is a handfull of progressives, at most.
By international standards Biden is hard-right, Trump is far-right.
This shit is full-on rightwing authoritarianism.
What leftist vote for this? And don’t give me that shit about Dems being left.
there are no left authoritarians in office.
liberals are not leftists. haven't been since 1848.
Dunno why 1848, but those students on the streets of Vienna whom "dear father field marshal" Radetzky hanged on many lanterns were not leftist. They were pretty republican-nationalist, right liberal that is.
are you... are you defending the original incident that lead to the term 'tankie'? impressive.
I don't get your thought process. The original incidents were Soviet interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
sorry when I hear about a name from that language family I I st assume. I ignore most soviet history and as much american history as I can because its stupid and can be summarized 'and then they figured out how to make even worse decisions! hooray!'
Any liberal who supports disarming civilians is a left authoritarian.
I disagree, why do you insist on associating libs with the left? (yeah disarming people is faschy)
Only the fringe lunatics think it's even possible to disarm a population. Far lefties like myself realize the power that small arms represent in the fight against fascism. Marx said to arm up.
Marx also assumed that revolution eventually leads to a communist utopia.
Thus far they have only led to authoritarian regimes. Even Cuba is little more than a benevolent dictatorship.
Weapons are a good way to combat other weapons, not ideology.
fuck that dude about so much, but yeah, he wasnt wrong about everything.
that means anti armor and anti drone weapons, too!
Yeah, of my two reps (Utah), the one I dislike more voted no on this (Sen. Mike Lee), and the one I kinda like (Sen. Mitt Romney) voted yes. I'm not sure how to feel about this.
Lmao when Democrats do a bad thing it's left authoritarianism lol
And yet I still hate Rand Paul.
Hitler loved dogs.
If it's authoritarianism, it ain't left.
Tankies sadly exist in our side, but I don’t think there’s a single one in US politics.
tankies killed all the communists, then got named tankies for still defending killing all the communists again.
You can call yourself a leftist without actually espousing ideals reflecting it.
Tankies aren't leftist, they're leftist cosplayers.
I actually watched recently a few videos on YT by Klim Zhukov (in Russian, naturally ; he's a Tankie and a historian by education), and I'm not so certain.
I may even agree than in some things they are more orthodox-Marxist than most western left movements.
Now, by Tankies I mean Stalinists here.
Hayak would like a word...