I think that Biden has done a better job of working the hill to get the stuff he wants than Obama ever did
Hear hear.
Most underrated President of all time. My expectations weren't high, but I have to admit, he's absolutely blown me away with how effective he's been.
Given the shit he was handed from the previous admin, with a divided Congress, etc. he's absolutely crushing it. Imagine what he could do with a Congress behind him and a supreme Court that wasn't broken.
That's great, but he needs to now self-promote and market himself, or we'll be stuck with another Trump term (and possibly the end of democracy in America).
So your saying a guy who has 40 years of experience in lawmaking is good at lawmaking?
Uh... No? My words were pretty clear, I don't think they needed to be reframed.
EDIT: I think you meant to reply to the parent comment.
It would also help if he stops SUPPORTING THE FUCKING ISRAELI GENOCIDE.
lol we don't have a democracy in america.
We have a democratic republic, a form of representative government. While there is unfortunately a sometimes insurmountable amount of outsized power wielded by the ultrawealthy, we still can make change happen when the opportunity arises. That goes away if the flawed democracy we have goes away.
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of progress. A flawed democracy is better than no democracy.
We don't have a democracy. The fact that nearly all of the primaries were cancelled this year and the dnc just decided to pick a winner is evidence that we don't. we have a captilaist oligarchy in which no one reaches the high office unless the rich think it's ok.
We don't have a democracy. The fact that nearly all of the primaries were cancelled this year and the dnc just decided to pick a winner is evidence that we don't. we have a captilaist oligarchy in which no one reaches the high office unless the rich think it's ok.
All this tells me is that you don’t understand what I said. You’re saying that because the systems in place can be used to limit the choices we have in frustrating ways, we don’t have choices.
But we still do have choices. It’s very rare that they’re the best ones, but they’re still choices. A choice between a genocide-supporting fascist and a genocide-supporting non-fascist is still a choice between a fascist and a non-fascist. That choice sucks, but it’s a choice worth making.
If those are the choices the system gives us then it's probably a good idea to rebel against said system.
Really? Given a choice between fascist or non fascist you think a real answer is "rebel!"
Well alright then, fuckin do it mate. Don't expect anyone else to lead the charge you want.
This is why nobody takes you seriously.
edit: a word
You think by rebel I mean wage war. There's many more ways to rebel, the one I'm encouraging is voting for a third party candidate.
Cool back peddle bro, I'm sure "voting" third party is exactly what you meant. Too bad voting nonviable candidates is completely pointless at this time and would only serve to give the rightwing more electoral power.
See, I'm almost convinced that it isn't even Biden. Like, Biden is not a strong leader at all......and I think that's been a great thing (at least for domestic policy).
It feels like he's gotten out of the way of the competent people who actually "run the show" in all the myriad departments of government and just let them do their thing.
It feels like he's gotten out of the way of the competent people
Literally the definition of a strong leader, knowing when to step in and when to let the people you hired do their jobs is the hall mark of a good leader
Teams fill in the gaps. A leader helps direct them where to go and lifts them up as needed.
There are a LOT of managers who need this memo.
I would argue that what you've described is a good leader.
To me a strong leader is someone who gets out front of their team and acts as a strong face for their team. That means that the team is getting all the accolades and recognition for their good work, that is keenly running damage control for their mistakes, and that is talking up their team at all points.
I feel Biden is failing as that strong leader.
Unless you're chronically online, you probably aren't aware of the recent actions of the NLRB nor of some of the other wins the people Biden appointed over the term of his presidency. He's not out there blasting some of the absolute W's his team has gotten, and I think that's showing in the lackluster polling Biden is getting atm.
The implication of what I've said that I want to be clear on: a strong leader isn't necessarily a good leader, nor is a good leader necessarily a strong leader.
The downvotes I'm getting says the wider community disagrees with this assessment, and in my mind that is what it is. I feel that not recognizing this distinction makes one more inclined to overlook how their voting peers can be swayed towards strong but bad leaders (e.g. Trump) and will thusly make said person less able to influence their voting peers to change their vote.
enabling a genocide is a good leader?
There it is, I was wondering how long it would take before genocide got mentioned ITT
Yeah, that's what leadership is, chief.
And exactly why Trump is terrible at it.
But anyone with half a brain knew that after watching any of The Apprentice.
Based on what, exactly? Biden is a very experienced politician. And the Republicans have taken their mask off and shown there's absolutely no point in trying to compromise with them. They only negotiate in bad faith and will reneg on every deal if/when they can.
It took the Dems far too long to accept that you have to fight fire with fire, but they got there.
Obama had a Dem party still valuing bipartisanship and healthy differences of opinions within the party.
Biden has a Dem party that falls in line because they have accepted that they have zero margin for civil discourse, because the Republicans will run away with the country if there's even the slightest bit of slack.
And so Biden and his administration aren't pulling their punches. There is no bipartisanship to be had. Only wins where you can take them.
Man, the lengths people go to not give Biden any credit.
Au contraire Mon ami, I think the community has mistaken what I mean (probably my fault, I didn't think my original comment through very thoroughly and accept responsibility if I communicated it poorly).
I mean to imy that Biden has made good choices in his appointments, but that his ability to speak and his general lack of charisma are the reason he's not trumping Trump (pun intended) in the polling for the upcoming election.
I would define Trump as a strong, but bad, leader due to his charisma and ability to take ownership for his people's actions (even if he takes "liberties" in defining who "his people" are). In my workplace, I would want someone who speaks highly of the actions of me and my team.
I don't see that from Biden.
As such, I would not describe Biden as a strong leader, but with the caveat that "Good" and "strong" exist on independent axes of the "leadership chart".
the reason he’s not trumping Trump (pun intended) in the polling for the upcoming election
Honestly, don't even bother with polls this far out. At best, we're still 6 months away from the election and much can change in that time period. And that doesn't even get into how bad polling has been in the last handful of elections, and how badly MAGA politicians have been performing compared to their polling.
I would define Trump as a strong, but bad, leader due to his charisma and ability to take ownership for his people’s actions
LOL Trump taking ownership of other peoples' actions? Can you elaborate, because I can't think of any time he's taken any bad heat for another person. Hell, he wont even take criticism for his own actions. At best you can make the argument that he steals credit and assigns blame, which is what a bad leader does.
I would not describe Biden as a strong leader
Well yeah, if you describe a bad leader as strong, of course a good leader is going to be weak by your definition.
I think that Biden has done a better job of working the hill to get the stuff he wants than Obama ever did
Hear hear.
Most underrated President of all time. My expectations weren't high, but I have to admit, he's absolutely blown me away with how effective he's been.
Given the shit he was handed from the previous admin, with a divided Congress, etc. he's absolutely crushing it. Imagine what he could do with a Congress behind him and a supreme Court that wasn't broken.
That's great, but he needs to now self-promote and market himself, or we'll be stuck with another Trump term (and possibly the end of democracy in America).
So your saying a guy who has 40 years of experience in lawmaking is good at lawmaking?
Uh... No? My words were pretty clear, I don't think they needed to be reframed.
EDIT: I think you meant to reply to the parent comment.
It would also help if he stops SUPPORTING THE FUCKING ISRAELI GENOCIDE.
lol we don't have a democracy in america.
We have a democratic republic, a form of representative government. While there is unfortunately a sometimes insurmountable amount of outsized power wielded by the ultrawealthy, we still can make change happen when the opportunity arises. That goes away if the flawed democracy we have goes away.
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of progress. A flawed democracy is better than no democracy.
We don't have a democracy. The fact that nearly all of the primaries were cancelled this year and the dnc just decided to pick a winner is evidence that we don't. we have a captilaist oligarchy in which no one reaches the high office unless the rich think it's ok.
All this tells me is that you don’t understand what I said. You’re saying that because the systems in place can be used to limit the choices we have in frustrating ways, we don’t have choices.
But we still do have choices. It’s very rare that they’re the best ones, but they’re still choices. A choice between a genocide-supporting fascist and a genocide-supporting non-fascist is still a choice between a fascist and a non-fascist. That choice sucks, but it’s a choice worth making.
If those are the choices the system gives us then it's probably a good idea to rebel against said system.
Really? Given a choice between fascist or non fascist you think a real answer is "rebel!"
Well alright then, fuckin do it mate. Don't expect anyone else to lead the charge you want.
This is why nobody takes you seriously.
edit: a word
You think by rebel I mean wage war. There's many more ways to rebel, the one I'm encouraging is voting for a third party candidate.
Cool back peddle bro, I'm sure "voting" third party is exactly what you meant. Too bad voting nonviable candidates is completely pointless at this time and would only serve to give the rightwing more electoral power.
See, I'm almost convinced that it isn't even Biden. Like, Biden is not a strong leader at all......and I think that's been a great thing (at least for domestic policy).
It feels like he's gotten out of the way of the competent people who actually "run the show" in all the myriad departments of government and just let them do their thing.
Literally the definition of a strong leader, knowing when to step in and when to let the people you hired do their jobs is the hall mark of a good leader
Teams fill in the gaps. A leader helps direct them where to go and lifts them up as needed.
There are a LOT of managers who need this memo.
I would argue that what you've described is a good leader.
To me a strong leader is someone who gets out front of their team and acts as a strong face for their team. That means that the team is getting all the accolades and recognition for their good work, that is keenly running damage control for their mistakes, and that is talking up their team at all points.
I feel Biden is failing as that strong leader.
Unless you're chronically online, you probably aren't aware of the recent actions of the NLRB nor of some of the other wins the people Biden appointed over the term of his presidency. He's not out there blasting some of the absolute W's his team has gotten, and I think that's showing in the lackluster polling Biden is getting atm.
The implication of what I've said that I want to be clear on: a strong leader isn't necessarily a good leader, nor is a good leader necessarily a strong leader.
The downvotes I'm getting says the wider community disagrees with this assessment, and in my mind that is what it is. I feel that not recognizing this distinction makes one more inclined to overlook how their voting peers can be swayed towards strong but bad leaders (e.g. Trump) and will thusly make said person less able to influence their voting peers to change their vote.
enabling a genocide is a good leader?
There it is, I was wondering how long it would take before genocide got mentioned ITT
Yeah, that's what leadership is, chief.
And exactly why Trump is terrible at it.
But anyone with half a brain knew that after watching any of The Apprentice.
Based on what, exactly? Biden is a very experienced politician. And the Republicans have taken their mask off and shown there's absolutely no point in trying to compromise with them. They only negotiate in bad faith and will reneg on every deal if/when they can.
It took the Dems far too long to accept that you have to fight fire with fire, but they got there.
Obama had a Dem party still valuing bipartisanship and healthy differences of opinions within the party.
Biden has a Dem party that falls in line because they have accepted that they have zero margin for civil discourse, because the Republicans will run away with the country if there's even the slightest bit of slack.
And so Biden and his administration aren't pulling their punches. There is no bipartisanship to be had. Only wins where you can take them.
Man, the lengths people go to not give Biden any credit.
Au contraire Mon ami, I think the community has mistaken what I mean (probably my fault, I didn't think my original comment through very thoroughly and accept responsibility if I communicated it poorly).
I mean to imy that Biden has made good choices in his appointments, but that his ability to speak and his general lack of charisma are the reason he's not trumping Trump (pun intended) in the polling for the upcoming election.
I would define Trump as a strong, but bad, leader due to his charisma and ability to take ownership for his people's actions (even if he takes "liberties" in defining who "his people" are). In my workplace, I would want someone who speaks highly of the actions of me and my team.
I don't see that from Biden.
As such, I would not describe Biden as a strong leader, but with the caveat that "Good" and "strong" exist on independent axes of the "leadership chart".
Honestly, don't even bother with polls this far out. At best, we're still 6 months away from the election and much can change in that time period. And that doesn't even get into how bad polling has been in the last handful of elections, and how badly MAGA politicians have been performing compared to their polling.
LOL Trump taking ownership of other peoples' actions? Can you elaborate, because I can't think of any time he's taken any bad heat for another person. Hell, he wont even take criticism for his own actions. At best you can make the argument that he steals credit and assigns blame, which is what a bad leader does.
Well yeah, if you describe a bad leader as strong, of course a good leader is going to be weak by your definition.
That is what I'd call good leading.