Astarion from BG3. I can understand why people like him. I personally do not and generally never used him in the party because I didn't want to hear him be annoyed yet again I was helping people.
Astarion is particularly annoying in Act 1 for some reason, with 99% of his reactions just being him hating anything that is remotely positive. His reactions (and character in general) in the following acts is a lot more fleshed out and varied.
His guard is up for the first act because he is traveling with new people.the change is due to warming up to the characters.
Shadowheart does this in the first act too, and combined they are really annoying as a combo but I found both to be fine individually.
Even with her guard up, Shadowheart's character is still more varied. Her reactions are more mixed and you can really see her bluntness and pragmatism come through. Her responses vary from indifference, apathy, rudeness, hostility, and moments of care and tenderness. Astarion in Act 1 is just an asshole all the time. I also feel that some of his reactions clash with his character and don't make sense. Don't get me wrong; I think he's a good character but I can also see why so many want nothing to do with him.
The thing is, Viconia and ::: spoiler Throne of Bhaal spoilers
Sarevok
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had similar arcs in the previous games but I never got annoyed enough to not want them in my party. A character can be disagreeable without being insufferable.
I wasn't a fan of Astarion either. Though to be fair, I'm never a fan of self-centered characters or evil runs. I don't get the appeal.
It was the same for me with the guy with the hamster in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. He's a favourite to everyone, to me he was just an annoying idiot.
I think he's endearing. But I was probably about 12 when I first played BG1, and the dumb-but-good-hearted warrior with the world's only miniature giant space hamster was comedic gold for me at that age.
Minsc is also relatively weak compared to other potential party members.
He was much better written in those games, I think
Minsc is getting a big punch up for the nostalgia factor. He's a beloved character from the original games and has been featured in other D&D stories.
I killed him almost immediately after those first few nights in camp. I then left Shadowheart there to rot with his corpse. I never understand the mass appeal towards those two.
I found Shart less annoyed by altruism, and there are story reasons too. Astarion's just an ass.
I didn't mind Shadowheart as much but she sure has her moments!
I think as the game progresses, you get to see why Astarion is so eager to act in his own interests. However, his backstory really only justifies half of his refusal to help people. The other half of his whining feels antithetical to his own situation, but perhaps that's just because he doesn't fully acknowledge his newfound freedoms until Act 2.
Yeah but you gotta have a rogue in the party
My bard pc got most things done that a rogue did!
...sometimes with a smidge of savescumming when a lock was particularly rude.
That's when you ask the barbarian to give it a go.
Hey Withers, here's 100 gold to turn a better character into whatever role I need.
Astarion from BG3. I can understand why people like him. I personally do not and generally never used him in the party because I didn't want to hear him be annoyed yet again I was helping people.
Astarion is particularly annoying in Act 1 for some reason, with 99% of his reactions just being him hating anything that is remotely positive. His reactions (and character in general) in the following acts is a lot more fleshed out and varied.
His guard is up for the first act because he is traveling with new people.the change is due to warming up to the characters.
Shadowheart does this in the first act too, and combined they are really annoying as a combo but I found both to be fine individually.
Even with her guard up, Shadowheart's character is still more varied. Her reactions are more mixed and you can really see her bluntness and pragmatism come through. Her responses vary from indifference, apathy, rudeness, hostility, and moments of care and tenderness. Astarion in Act 1 is just an asshole all the time. I also feel that some of his reactions clash with his character and don't make sense. Don't get me wrong; I think he's a good character but I can also see why so many want nothing to do with him.
The thing is, Viconia and ::: spoiler Throne of Bhaal spoilers Sarevok ::: had similar arcs in the previous games but I never got annoyed enough to not want them in my party. A character can be disagreeable without being insufferable.
I wasn't a fan of Astarion either. Though to be fair, I'm never a fan of self-centered characters or evil runs. I don't get the appeal.
It was the same for me with the guy with the hamster in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. He's a favourite to everyone, to me he was just an annoying idiot.
I think he's endearing. But I was probably about 12 when I first played BG1, and the dumb-but-good-hearted warrior with the world's only miniature giant space hamster was comedic gold for me at that age.
Minsc is also relatively weak compared to other potential party members.
He was much better written in those games, I think
Minsc is getting a big punch up for the nostalgia factor. He's a beloved character from the original games and has been featured in other D&D stories.
I killed him almost immediately after those first few nights in camp. I then left Shadowheart there to rot with his corpse. I never understand the mass appeal towards those two.
I found Shart less annoyed by altruism, and there are story reasons too. Astarion's just an ass.
I didn't mind Shadowheart as much but she sure has her moments!
I think as the game progresses, you get to see why Astarion is so eager to act in his own interests. However, his backstory really only justifies half of his refusal to help people. The other half of his whining feels antithetical to his own situation, but perhaps that's just because he doesn't fully acknowledge his newfound freedoms until Act 2.
Yeah but you gotta have a rogue in the party
My bard pc got most things done that a rogue did!
...sometimes with a smidge of savescumming when a lock was particularly rude.
That's when you ask the barbarian to give it a go.
Hey Withers, here's 100 gold to turn a better character into whatever role I need.