So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.
I'm just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.
I can't tell you how many Apple devices I've had that have become unsupported over the years.
Like what? I’m still using my 2011 MacBook Pro, and my phone is about six years old.
I can’t update my 2011 MBP to the latest version of OSX, but it still works fantastically for everyday stuff. Phone can update to the next version of iOS.
can't update
Yeah, that's the problem, if your hardware can run the latest software, it should be able to update to the latest software
It’s THIRTEEN YEARS OLD! It still functions! If it stops functioning, I can put Linux on it!
It’s a first-gen Core i7… I don’t think the hardware would support the latest version that well, if at al.
It’s THIRTEEN YEARS OLD!
Thirteen year old Windows computers still get updates (not to mention Linux).
It still functions!
Really? You don't have any apps that refuse to run because the OS version is too old? My 10 year old iMac won't run hardly anything...not even a browser.
Mind you, not because the hardware is broken or unsupported, or the software is supported, but because Apple simply refuses to allow it.
not even a browser
Try Firefox maybe? Safari and Firefox work perfectly on my 13 year old MacBook… I don’t know what’s wrong with your machine.
Edit: you can’t put Windows 11 on a 13 year old machine, that’s a straight-up lie. Mind you, not because the hardware is broken or unsupported, but because Microsoft simply refuses to allow it.
you can’t put Windows 11 on a 13 year old machine
I didn't say Windows 11. I said Windows. An up-to-date version of Windows. Nice try, though.
Why don’t your browsers work? Mine do.
Also I’m still getting security updates.
Edit: I don’t know why I’m entertaining you? The equivalent of the latest OSX is Windows 11 and you’re saying other shit?
I get the APPLE BAD shit but that’s so disingenuous.
I don’t think you’ve ever used Apple shit
Why don’t your browsers work?
Because it runs an older OS that's not supported and Apple doesn't make anything else available. We've already been over this.
The equivalent of the latest OSX is Windows 11 and you’re saying other shit?
Doesn't matter what the equivalent is. What matters is that the OS is completely usable. As in, Windows is, and Mac isn't.
I get the APPLE BAD shit but that’s so disingenuous.
What's disingenuous is comparing MacOS to Windows 11 on a 12 year old machine and pretending like W10 doesn't exist.
I don’t think you’ve ever used Apple shit.
Apple supports current macOS plus the previous two. If he's on one of those ( which it sounds like) everything will work just fine.
Apple supports current macOS
...huh? Of course they do. Who else would?
The problem is current MacOS isn't supported on old hardware.
Yeah as much as this sucks I honestly hope that Microsoft will actually take advantage of this and start moving legacy support into more specialized options.
A lot of the reason windows is so janky at times is because of the insane obsession they have with backwards compatibility.
Lol, worst take I have ever heard.
Windows has no purpose these days outside backwards compatibility.
Windows primarily sucks because of ads and forced updates, not jank.
Microsoft exclusively deals in antiquated spaghetti code, removing backwards compatibility won’t change that.
Microsoft has no interest in improving users experience they have invested entirely in squeezing in micro transactions not exactly a user first design philosophy.
Enshittification
False.
I work for Microsoft and I can assure you that any effort I make to increase code quality or reduce jank (or pretty much anything other than shoving more AI in our products) will not positively impact my bonus next year.
What if you found another window to put ads in?
Are you working on Windows or another product? Also do you know why MS expects ROI for new Windows features ie. Amazon Appstore? Since Windows is a paid product (at least for OEMs) I would expect license income to sustain feature development.
At the very least, they should be releasing some "Lite" version for older hardware or something.
It's such a catch-22 with Linux, because you're not going to see ads for it and most "normal" people don't even know what it is (and that they have a viable alternative to Windows).
I don't want ads for Linux, but I wish there was a way to elevate it into the general public consciousness so people are aware that they even have an option. AND ITS FREE.
While I do agree that a lot of the PCs that are deemed not compatible is really stupid, there are people that are trying to use Windows 11 on devices that have no business running it, so this is partially to prevent their devices from getting infected with a virus or something
I've lost count of how many times Microsoft, and many other big tech companies, hindered me from doing something I wanted to do on a device that I own for "security" reasons while it had absolutely nothing to do with security and everything to do with forcing their users to comply with their business model.
DRM chips have nothing to do with device security and everything to do with further controlling what you can and cannot do on your machine and making more money off of you.
You really shouldn't believe the Corporate bad faith arguments used to justify anti-consumer practices.
My job has radicalized me against windows, the settings are factory reset quite frequently due to updates or reimaging so I'm constantly resetting every single option just to get it back to a continent state (Who in their right mind thinks centered task bar icons is a good thing!?!?!)
Since when is having vulnerable hardware the business of the operating system? Sure, they're allowed to do whatever they want, but it's stupid. It's your system. You should be able to try to run any software you want on it and the software shouldn't care (unless it just literally can't work, not a software check to make it not work).
I'm on Linux only though, so I may be biased. I think I own my computer and you may not agree with that.
Why won't they get a virus or something on Windows 10 with that same hardware?
So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.
I'm just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.
I can't tell you how many Apple devices I've had that have become unsupported over the years.
Like what? I’m still using my 2011 MacBook Pro, and my phone is about six years old.
I can’t update my 2011 MBP to the latest version of OSX, but it still works fantastically for everyday stuff. Phone can update to the next version of iOS.
Yeah, that's the problem, if your hardware can run the latest software, it should be able to update to the latest software
It’s THIRTEEN YEARS OLD! It still functions! If it stops functioning, I can put Linux on it!
It’s a first-gen Core i7… I don’t think the hardware would support the latest version that well, if at al.
Thirteen year old Windows computers still get updates (not to mention Linux).
Really? You don't have any apps that refuse to run because the OS version is too old? My 10 year old iMac won't run hardly anything...not even a browser.
Mind you, not because the hardware is broken or unsupported, or the software is supported, but because Apple simply refuses to allow it.
Try Firefox maybe? Safari and Firefox work perfectly on my 13 year old MacBook… I don’t know what’s wrong with your machine.
Edit: you can’t put Windows 11 on a 13 year old machine, that’s a straight-up lie. Mind you, not because the hardware is broken or unsupported, but because Microsoft simply refuses to allow it.
I didn't say Windows 11. I said Windows. An up-to-date version of Windows. Nice try, though.
Why don’t your browsers work? Mine do.
Also I’m still getting security updates.
Edit: I don’t know why I’m entertaining you? The equivalent of the latest OSX is Windows 11 and you’re saying other shit?
I get the APPLE BAD shit but that’s so disingenuous.
I don’t think you’ve ever used Apple shit
Because it runs an older OS that's not supported and Apple doesn't make anything else available. We've already been over this.
Doesn't matter what the equivalent is. What matters is that the OS is completely usable. As in, Windows is, and Mac isn't.
What's disingenuous is comparing MacOS to Windows 11 on a 12 year old machine and pretending like W10 doesn't exist.
I don’t think you’ve ever used Apple shit.
Apple supports current macOS plus the previous two. If he's on one of those ( which it sounds like) everything will work just fine.
...huh? Of course they do. Who else would?
The problem is current MacOS isn't supported on old hardware.
The point was that Windows is the same.
Why do my browsers work and yours don’t? What are you doing wrong?
Sounds like a question for Apple. Assuming that I'm doing something wrong sounds like a bad faith question.
Yeah as much as this sucks I honestly hope that Microsoft will actually take advantage of this and start moving legacy support into more specialized options.
A lot of the reason windows is so janky at times is because of the insane obsession they have with backwards compatibility.
Lol, worst take I have ever heard.
Windows has no purpose these days outside backwards compatibility.
Windows primarily sucks because of ads and forced updates, not jank.
Microsoft exclusively deals in antiquated spaghetti code, removing backwards compatibility won’t change that.
Microsoft has no interest in improving users experience they have invested entirely in squeezing in micro transactions not exactly a user first design philosophy.
Enshittification
False.
I work for Microsoft and I can assure you that any effort I make to increase code quality or reduce jank (or pretty much anything other than shoving more AI in our products) will not positively impact my bonus next year.
What if you found another window to put ads in?
Are you working on Windows or another product? Also do you know why MS expects ROI for new Windows features ie. Amazon Appstore? Since Windows is a paid product (at least for OEMs) I would expect license income to sustain feature development.
At the very least, they should be releasing some "Lite" version for older hardware or something.
It's such a catch-22 with Linux, because you're not going to see ads for it and most "normal" people don't even know what it is (and that they have a viable alternative to Windows).
I don't want ads for Linux, but I wish there was a way to elevate it into the general public consciousness so people are aware that they even have an option. AND ITS FREE.
While I do agree that a lot of the PCs that are deemed not compatible is really stupid, there are people that are trying to use Windows 11 on devices that have no business running it, so this is partially to prevent their devices from getting infected with a virus or something
I've lost count of how many times Microsoft, and many other big tech companies, hindered me from doing something I wanted to do on a device that I own for "security" reasons while it had absolutely nothing to do with security and everything to do with forcing their users to comply with their business model.
DRM chips have nothing to do with device security and everything to do with further controlling what you can and cannot do on your machine and making more money off of you.
You really shouldn't believe the Corporate bad faith arguments used to justify anti-consumer practices.
My job has radicalized me against windows, the settings are factory reset quite frequently due to updates or reimaging so I'm constantly resetting every single option just to get it back to a continent state (Who in their right mind thinks centered task bar icons is a good thing!?!?!)
Since when is having vulnerable hardware the business of the operating system? Sure, they're allowed to do whatever they want, but it's stupid. It's your system. You should be able to try to run any software you want on it and the software shouldn't care (unless it just literally can't work, not a software check to make it not work).
I'm on Linux only though, so I may be biased. I think I own my computer and you may not agree with that.
Why won't they get a virus or something on Windows 10 with that same hardware?
Malware such as that imbedded in Windows 11?