The alternative is to let certain countries de facto claim a region because others are too afraid to call them on their BS
You do realise that Taipei's territorial claims are exactly the same as those of Beijing. I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn't align with the approved narrative but Taiwan claims the very same nine dash line as China.
To this day, Taiwan remains firm in its claims to the South China Sea. They have been historically justified on the basis that, as there was no United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) in existence in 1947, it was legitimate for the ROC to claim the South China Sea territories and waters based on the historical connections of these with China. According to the Institute for National Defense and Security Research (INDSR), a Taiwanese think tank, there was no legal impediment to the claim in 1947 and, for a long period, there were no challenges to the ROC’s claims from other countries.[4] They were largely ignored – except by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), which concurred with them.
you do realize that's only because the CPR would never accept a end to the civil war with the independence of Taiwan?
The only reason Taiwan hasn't abandoned their claims yet is because that would mean they say they're independent, and that would lead to a certain invasion attempt by the CPR
Tank(ie) you for sharing your opinion!
I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn't align with the approved narrative
How to say "I'm not worth listening to" without saying it.
NATO states only seem to hear the things that please them.
There's a bit more to it than that.
NATO is a strategic alliance lead by the US. NATO doesn't have any feelings and isn't pleased or displeased about anything. Instead it generally does whatever is the US believes is most strategically advantageous.
Those strategist are typically smart people who listen to all kinds of things. They're definitely careful about what they say though and won't go around promoting information they don't want suppressed.
NATO doesn’t have any feelings and isn’t pleased or displeased about anything.
Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.
Those strategist are typically smart people who listen to all kinds of things.
I've heard the same said of Joe Rogan.
Yes and emergent behavior goes both ways. Organizations have many properties that the individuals they're made up of don't have and they lack many properties that individuals have. Organizations don't have feelings.
Even in the rare cases when the feelings of the people in those organizations are homogeneous, the organizations almost never manifest those feelings without significant alterations.
Are you seriously comparing Joe Rogan with NATO strategists?
Organizations don’t have feelings.
Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.
No no no. It's not "the approved narrative".
You need to make it sound more sinister.
Dude, I love China and its people and have been there several times. I obviously don’t approve of everything but some of the funniest, most kindhearted people on Earth are in China. I’m not sure there’s a place on Earth I’d rather have a meal with some regular citizens.
But just follow The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Taipei can be wrong too. But those laws took like centuries of stupid wars and, ultimately, diplomacy, to establish. Even if you want to change them, it’ll require diplomacy and cooperation, not hosing down some Filipino fishermen.
Has China stopped making ownership claims to waters and lands beyond their borders?
Does China operate international police stations to police their citizens across the globe?
Maybe China should act right and follow the same treaties as the rest of the planet.
Lol and the US does nothing of these? Puerto Rico, Hawaii and so on was just always American?
Hi, it's now 2024. To the best of my knowledge the independence movements of Puerto Rico and Hawaii are currently minimal (not non-existent, but even Texas has some weirdo secessionists). While the circumstances of those territories becoming a part of the US may be dicey, "our ancestors made a mistake" isn't really a good reason to cut those places away entirely if modern-day people generally wish to keep the current arrangement.
Taiwan, on the other hand, generally wishes to remain independent from China. False equivalence.
yes, as the last vote clearly states that the whole island wants to be independent.
Screenshot taken at 18:07, which puts you at GMT+2. Curious what makes you such an expert in American and Asian secessionist politics from Eastern Europe 🤔
Nice refute to my relevant stats from the last election.
Lotsa misinformation coming from that general area.
Assuming the words themselves are accurate, there is still a difference between wanting to "engage more" with Beijing and wanting them to swallow your country whole. Not to mention all the other issues one may vote over
At least I gave you a source with (even Western media). Now you give me a source on how unequivocal Taiwan only wants to be independent.
The most hated map on lemmy.world
You are the first person to ever bring it up.
As soon as Chinese “fishing vessels” aren’t armed and won’t turn their transponders off to sneak into territorial waters
I agree, that's why China should drop all territorial claims for Taiwan
But doesn't Taiwan consider itself the real and "royal" China? That's what I've always been told. Or have they dropped that claim?
They don't have any plans to enforce it violently though, while China is planning for a "cross-strait unification" (basically just invading Taiwan).
Could we stop making the international tensions? Provoking each other?
I claim a small corner of your livingroom as my property.
Please don't make this tense or provoke me.
And I am going to load that corner full of guns pointed at your family.
But don’t be a dick and raise a fuss about it.
excellent comment. cracked a smile.
The alternative is to let certain countries de facto claim a region because others are too afraid to call them on their BS
You do realise that Taipei's territorial claims are exactly the same as those of Beijing. I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn't align with the approved narrative but Taiwan claims the very same nine dash line as China.
https://www.thechinastory.org/taiwans-south-china-sea/
you do realize that's only because the CPR would never accept a end to the civil war with the independence of Taiwan?
The only reason Taiwan hasn't abandoned their claims yet is because that would mean they say they're independent, and that would lead to a certain invasion attempt by the CPR
Tank(ie) you for sharing your opinion!
How to say "I'm not worth listening to" without saying it.
NATO states only seem to hear the things that please them.
There's a bit more to it than that.
NATO is a strategic alliance lead by the US. NATO doesn't have any feelings and isn't pleased or displeased about anything. Instead it generally does whatever is the US believes is most strategically advantageous.
Those strategist are typically smart people who listen to all kinds of things. They're definitely careful about what they say though and won't go around promoting information they don't want suppressed.
Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.
I've heard the same said of Joe Rogan.
Yes and emergent behavior goes both ways. Organizations have many properties that the individuals they're made up of don't have and they lack many properties that individuals have. Organizations don't have feelings. Even in the rare cases when the feelings of the people in those organizations are homogeneous, the organizations almost never manifest those feelings without significant alterations.
Are you seriously comparing Joe Rogan with NATO strategists?
Organizations are composed of people, my friend. And people have feelings.
No no no. It's not "the approved narrative".
You need to make it sound more sinister.
Dude, I love China and its people and have been there several times. I obviously don’t approve of everything but some of the funniest, most kindhearted people on Earth are in China. I’m not sure there’s a place on Earth I’d rather have a meal with some regular citizens.
But just follow The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Taipei can be wrong too. But those laws took like centuries of stupid wars and, ultimately, diplomacy, to establish. Even if you want to change them, it’ll require diplomacy and cooperation, not hosing down some Filipino fishermen.
Has China stopped making ownership claims to waters and lands beyond their borders?
Does China operate international police stations to police their citizens across the globe?
Maybe China should act right and follow the same treaties as the rest of the planet.
Lol and the US does nothing of these? Puerto Rico, Hawaii and so on was just always American?
Hi, it's now 2024. To the best of my knowledge the independence movements of Puerto Rico and Hawaii are currently minimal (not non-existent, but even Texas has some weirdo secessionists). While the circumstances of those territories becoming a part of the US may be dicey, "our ancestors made a mistake" isn't really a good reason to cut those places away entirely if modern-day people generally wish to keep the current arrangement.
Taiwan, on the other hand, generally wishes to remain independent from China. False equivalence.
yes, as the last vote clearly states that the whole island wants to be independent.
Screenshot taken at 18:07, which puts you at GMT+2. Curious what makes you such an expert in American and Asian secessionist politics from Eastern Europe 🤔
Nice refute to my relevant stats from the last election.
Lotsa misinformation coming from that general area.
Assuming the words themselves are accurate, there is still a difference between wanting to "engage more" with Beijing and wanting them to swallow your country whole. Not to mention all the other issues one may vote over
At least I gave you a source with (even Western media). Now you give me a source on how unequivocal Taiwan only wants to be independent.
The most hated map on lemmy.world
You are the first person to ever bring it up.
As soon as Chinese “fishing vessels” aren’t armed and won’t turn their transponders off to sneak into territorial waters
I agree, that's why China should drop all territorial claims for Taiwan
But doesn't Taiwan consider itself the real and "royal" China? That's what I've always been told. Or have they dropped that claim?
They don't have any plans to enforce it violently though, while China is planning for a "cross-strait unification" (basically just invading Taiwan).