I think the only major contribution to humanity the CCP I would respect would be fusion research.
It's not complicated, just stupid expensive and politically impossible, but if they can figure it out, they have truly provided a transformative humanity.
Fusion reactors are incredibly complicated.... This is a research reactor, with the goal of figuring out how to create sustainable fusion for real world uses by 2050.
This is not a performative action for a determinative outcome, this is aspirational and has no guarantee of achieving its goals, which is good. This type of research and science needs to be funded, even when it may fail.
Maybe this will spurn competition between powers to accelerate their own fusion reactor research, and create a virtuous cycle that accelerates this technology becoming a major source of green energy in the near, or medium-term, future.
I like democracy, but I don't like our short-sighted (4-8 year) election-campaign-based governing. But between our public and private sectors I know we can meet this challenge and make this happen.
I disagree on the private sector aspect of this, but I agree on the democracy part. Although, I don't really view America as true democracy at this moment in history, but that's besides the point here.
Fusion technology is at a point in its life cycle where it needs to be a public sector project. There is no path to profitability in the near-term, that would justify private sector involvement, except as a means to extract profit from the very expensive research process of even making this technology feasible.
Not that I'm against the private sector within the nuclear power industry. I'm very excited to see what they can do with SMR technology. I'm just extremely skeptical of most private-public partnerships, especially in cases like this.
I would greatly prefer public sector development. I'm just being fatalistic about how our oligarchy conducts itself.
One way they conduct themselves is by using the politicians they've purchased to advocate for forming public-private partnerships, in areas where they shouldn't exist, which they can then legally siphon off the resources from.
They’re doing pretty well with solar and electric vehicles too
And poverty eradication. And high speed rail. And smartphone and chip tech, and space program... kind of a long list.
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
I notice no Wikipedia links in there 👀
Edit: my mistake there is one and I will reply separately
I’m aware of what it is. I like to use it to learn about things that generally have agreement among internet users. Why do you think that your sources aren’t being used to edit the pages on WP? (Genuine question)
I like to use it to learn about things that generally have agreement among internet users.
Why do you think that your sources aren’t being used to edit the pages on WP?
Whether or not my sources are being used on Wikipedia hadn’t occurred to me. Why would it?
I am inviting you to consider this question!
Why do you think that your sources aren’t being used to edit the pages on WP?
It’s self-evident why not: My sources run counter to the imperial core’s narrative. Specifically the United States government’s narrative. The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted this genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, while aiding and abetting an actual genocide in Palestine.
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
I guess my main issue with your argument is that I’m not convinced of the reliability of the sources you’ve cited regarding the situation in Xinjiang.
Despite your criticisms of Wikipedia, I believe the users of the site do a good job of vetting the information that’s there.
I do think it’s valid to criticize the US broadly, and I likewise think it’s valid to criticize China when they appear to be doing mass internment and “re-education” of their minority groups.
I guess my main issue with your argument is that I’m not convinced of the reliability of the sources you’ve cited regarding the situation in Xinjiang.
Despite your criticisms of Wikipedia, I believe the users of the site do a good job of vetting the information that’s there.
They usually do a decent job, less so when reality rubs up against cultural hegemony.
I do think it’s valid to criticize the US broadly, and I likewise think it’s valid to criticize China
Sure, there are no sacred cows.
Ok so I did read about the affirmative action policy you linked, how does that support your argument?
It runs counter to the genocide—“cultural” or otherwise—narrative, and counter to the “Han supremacy” narrative. The Uyghur people and other minority groups were excepted from China’s One-Child policy, and as a result the Uyghur population in Xinjiang has grown in proportion to the Han population. The Uyghur languages and religious* practices are protected and financially supported, not suppressed. People can go to Xinjiang and see for themselves. They can see & hear the languages in use and visit the mosques.
*The CPC is officially atheist, but their general policy on religion is tolerance, and an expectation that religions will eventually wither away on their own.
He already said poverty eradication.
What on earth are you both talking about? How is eliminating poverty a genocide?
I was making a joke about things like the purge.
Don't hurt westoid NPC too hard mate...
They are already in shambles as is due to Boeing falling a part before their eyes.
They don't need the trains anyway, they prefer to sit in traffic or getting sexually abused while flying.
With that being said, fuck China and their ways.
Pretty good, if only their Government wasn't so authoritarian with a habit of making people "disappear"
Source?
Seriously? A source on the authoritarianism of China? Oh idk, there's the Great Firewall of China, um the whole Winnie the Pooh thing. Why don't you go-to China and start posting "Fuck Xi" and see how quickly you get arrested. At least here I can say "Fuck Biden", or Fuck Trump without worry.
Oh, I'm on .ml that explains everything so this'll probably get removed to, can't have the truth breaking through on .ml lmao
Okay so basic western supremacy, gotcha.
Redditors going from zero to rudyard kipling in 5 seconds.
If only we dissolved all nation states and lived in communes that best reflect everyones individual values.
Mine would have nukes, because I will never trust humanity, no matter how good things get.
It's silly to act like individual values are some sacred, unassailable thing gifted to everyone's soul by the heavens, rather than something that came from a combination of inborn human traits and memories*, i.e. they are something that is contingent, changing, and in no way above being questioned.
It's also silly to act like it makes sense to just have a blanket acceptance of something if it's an "individual value" even though, when we look at the world, individual values can sometimes be extremely fucked up and we shouldn't allow people who would enact those values to abuse with impunity.
*"memories" is simplistic, but I don't think it is catastrophically so.
Your commune would be super lucky if it had anything because small communes (especially isolated sects "never trusting humanity") are not the best places to make even things like glasses, not to mention atomic weaponry.
I mean, that's not the CCP, that's just the Chinese people working like dogs to profit the corrupt party members.
The CCP gets very little credit for modern China, it was Mao dying and Deng choosing a looser rein that lead to China's shocking rise, the people themselves are great, the party is merely a horrible parasite that killed 50m of its own people from its pride.
I mean, that's not the CCP, that's just the Chinese people working like dogs to profit the corrupt party members.
If that's true then it is also true that Capitalism didn't do anything for America either. It was Americans working like dogs for the profit of corrupt leaders.
I mean, i thought that was pretty obvious, about the US that is
Taiwan brought the same people with fewer resources far more forward and did it with respect for freedom and human dignity.
While Mao basically murdered or caused the death of 50m of his own people from his own stupidity.
I'd prefer the Chinese put their CCP against the wall before they invent fusion, I guarantee this will be a true golden age for China, but I think the CCP would try to take down China itself before it let itself lose control.
Good luck to them!
I think the only major contribution to humanity the CCP I would respect would be fusion research.
It's not complicated, just stupid expensive and politically impossible, but if they can figure it out, they have truly provided a transformative humanity.
Fusion reactors are incredibly complicated.... This is a research reactor, with the goal of figuring out how to create sustainable fusion for real world uses by 2050.
This is not a performative action for a determinative outcome, this is aspirational and has no guarantee of achieving its goals, which is good. This type of research and science needs to be funded, even when it may fail.
Maybe this will spurn competition between powers to accelerate their own fusion reactor research, and create a virtuous cycle that accelerates this technology becoming a major source of green energy in the near, or medium-term, future.
I like democracy, but I don't like our short-sighted (4-8 year) election-campaign-based governing. But between our public and private sectors I know we can meet this challenge and make this happen.
I disagree on the private sector aspect of this, but I agree on the democracy part. Although, I don't really view America as true democracy at this moment in history, but that's besides the point here.
Fusion technology is at a point in its life cycle where it needs to be a public sector project. There is no path to profitability in the near-term, that would justify private sector involvement, except as a means to extract profit from the very expensive research process of even making this technology feasible.
Not that I'm against the private sector within the nuclear power industry. I'm very excited to see what they can do with SMR technology. I'm just extremely skeptical of most private-public partnerships, especially in cases like this.
I would greatly prefer public sector development. I'm just being fatalistic about how our oligarchy conducts itself.
One way they conduct themselves is by using the politicians they've purchased to advocate for forming public-private partnerships, in areas where they shouldn't exist, which they can then legally siphon off the resources from.
They’re doing pretty well with solar and electric vehicles too
And poverty eradication. And high speed rail. And smartphone and chip tech, and space program... kind of a long list.
Not so bad at genocide either
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https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
I notice no Wikipedia links in there 👀 Edit: my mistake there is one and I will reply separately
First of all, Wikipedia is not a primary source, and second of all, Meet Wikipedia’s Ayn Rand-loving founder and Wikimedia Foundation’s regime-change operative CEO
(And third of all, there is a Wikipedia link in there.)
I’m aware of what it is. I like to use it to learn about things that generally have agreement among internet users. Why do you think that your sources aren’t being used to edit the pages on WP? (Genuine question)
Things that generally have agreement among internet users of Five Eyes countries, who are heavily influenced by the propaganda of imperial core states that are run by the capitalist class of those states.
Whether or not my sources are being used on Wikipedia hadn’t occurred to me. Why would it?
I am inviting you to consider this question!
It’s self-evident why not: My sources run counter to the imperial core’s narrative. Specifically the United States government’s narrative. The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted this genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, while aiding and abetting an actual genocide in Palestine.
The blueprint of regime change operations
I guess my main issue with your argument is that I’m not convinced of the reliability of the sources you’ve cited regarding the situation in Xinjiang.
Despite your criticisms of Wikipedia, I believe the users of the site do a good job of vetting the information that’s there.
I do think it’s valid to criticize the US broadly, and I likewise think it’s valid to criticize China when they appear to be doing mass internment and “re-education” of their minority groups.
It seems the sources you deem reliable are largely the same sources that Wikipedia, MB/FC, AFM, and the RAND Corporation deem reliable. I have a lot of thoughts about the media and about media literacy.
They usually do a decent job, less so when reality rubs up against cultural hegemony.
Sure, there are no sacred cows.
Ok so I did read about the affirmative action policy you linked, how does that support your argument?
It runs counter to the genocide—“cultural” or otherwise—narrative, and counter to the “Han supremacy” narrative. The Uyghur people and other minority groups were excepted from China’s One-Child policy, and as a result the Uyghur population in Xinjiang has grown in proportion to the Han population. The Uyghur languages and religious* practices are protected and financially supported, not suppressed. People can go to Xinjiang and see for themselves. They can see & hear the languages in use and visit the mosques.
*The CPC is officially atheist, but their general policy on religion is tolerance, and an expectation that religions will eventually wither away on their own.
He already said poverty eradication.
What on earth are you both talking about? How is eliminating poverty a genocide?
I was making a joke about things like the purge.
Don't hurt westoid NPC too hard mate...
They are already in shambles as is due to Boeing falling a part before their eyes.
They don't need the trains anyway, they prefer to sit in traffic or getting sexually abused while flying.
With that being said, fuck China and their ways.
Pretty good, if only their Government wasn't so authoritarian with a habit of making people "disappear"
Source?
Seriously? A source on the authoritarianism of China? Oh idk, there's the Great Firewall of China, um the whole Winnie the Pooh thing. Why don't you go-to China and start posting "Fuck Xi" and see how quickly you get arrested. At least here I can say "Fuck Biden", or Fuck Trump without worry.
Oh, I'm on .ml that explains everything so this'll probably get removed to, can't have the truth breaking through on .ml lmao
Okay so basic western supremacy, gotcha.
Redditors going from zero to rudyard kipling in 5 seconds.
If only we dissolved all nation states and lived in communes that best reflect everyones individual values.
Mine would have nukes, because I will never trust humanity, no matter how good things get.
It's silly to act like individual values are some sacred, unassailable thing gifted to everyone's soul by the heavens, rather than something that came from a combination of inborn human traits and memories*, i.e. they are something that is contingent, changing, and in no way above being questioned.
It's also silly to act like it makes sense to just have a blanket acceptance of something if it's an "individual value" even though, when we look at the world, individual values can sometimes be extremely fucked up and we shouldn't allow people who would enact those values to abuse with impunity.
*"memories" is simplistic, but I don't think it is catastrophically so.
Your commune would be super lucky if it had anything because small communes (especially isolated sects "never trusting humanity") are not the best places to make even things like glasses, not to mention atomic weaponry.
I mean, that's not the CCP, that's just the Chinese people working like dogs to profit the corrupt party members.
The CCP gets very little credit for modern China, it was Mao dying and Deng choosing a looser rein that lead to China's shocking rise, the people themselves are great, the party is merely a horrible parasite that killed 50m of its own people from its pride.
If that's true then it is also true that Capitalism didn't do anything for America either. It was Americans working like dogs for the profit of corrupt leaders.
I mean, i thought that was pretty obvious, about the US that is
No respect for this? Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
Not even a drop whatsoever.
Taiwan brought the same people with fewer resources far more forward and did it with respect for freedom and human dignity.
While Mao basically murdered or caused the death of 50m of his own people from his own stupidity.
I'd prefer the Chinese put their CCP against the wall before they invent fusion, I guarantee this will be a true golden age for China, but I think the CCP would try to take down China itself before it let itself lose control.