It's the drugs going into air that other people have to breathe, or behavior while under the influence that endangers other people that's the problem.
The danger of passing a cigarette on the street pales in comparison to urban pollution, poorly regulated restaurants, and even household cleaners for the number of toxins you expose yourself to. Worrying about second hand smoke outside makes as much sense as worrying about malaria from a mosquito while you’re trapped in a cage with lions.
Not when you're allergic. And even when you're not, I've only met one smoker who realizes how awful they smell and tries to mitigate it.
You do realize this is a hugely fallacious argument, right?
their body their rulez. stay inside if you are a bubble boy ~~~~
Stay inside if you insist on indulging in a disgusting habit. I'm not stopping you from destroying yourself, but no one should have to suffer for your stupid choices.
But smoking in public is intrinsically selfish, so I should know better than to debate it with a smoker. Nothing would convince you to have a little courtesy and class.
Ah yes, discriminate against people, great job not being the bigot
oh wait, you ARE the bigot
They literally just turned the argument around on you and you call them a bigot. Doesn't that make your argument bigotry?
You understand that the guy they're replying to literally described them as "Bubble Boy" for being allergic to smoke?
As @dragonflyteaparty said, if them turning the argument back around is bigotry, doesn't that make the guy they replied to a bigot?
All that dangerous behavior like snacking relentlessly and laughing at dumb jokes, what horror! Also edibles have no secondhand smoke to inhale.
More like car accidents, second hand lung damage in children of smokers, and overdosing.
I'm not talking about just marijuana, but you definitely come across as insecure about it.
OD on cannabis?
The conversation was about vaping, and for those who struggle with reading comprehension, I clearly stated I was talking about more than just cannabis.
And when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.
It's not a zero sum. You can be against both.
That argument sounds like someone whining about car accidents while setting themselves on fire... one does not make the other okay.
One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn't bullshit.
The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.
But people aren't against it. They are against cigarettes and vaping because they don't like them. Alchohol? Totally fine. Pills? Goochie. Caffeine? Can't live without it. And if it's a matter of smell, then when are we making not showering illegal? Also, axe body spray, perfumes, incense, and any other form of non-consensual smells?
These things will never be banned because people like them. The same argument applies, but it doesn't get railed against because they don't bother you.
We should only make beating others illegal once we successfully prevented all murder
It's about ease of enforcement. If you can't enforce a law, it's bullshit lip service.
You'd be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.
Health effects aside, I'd appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people's second-hand smoke/vape.
There's more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you'll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you're talking about a principle.. but it's not a very strong argument.
Okay, assuming that's true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn't end up ingesting my pasta sauce.
When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don't really get a lot of choice in doing).
It's like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn't worry about bathing in the sun for too long.
You missed the point. More accurate would be: because you watched TV for an hour you shouldn't worry about someone shining a flashlight on you. That's the level of consequences we're talking about and it sounds ridiculous when someone blows them out of proportions. Maybe we should start worrying about anal residue too because people are farting outside.
You're breathing the same air they are, whether you can see it or not...
you are one selfish bastard huh
I'd argue the people blowing their exhaust onto passers by are more selfish, considering the passers by don't get a choice in breathing, but sure I'm the selfish one.
It's the drugs going into air that other people have to breathe, or behavior while under the influence that endangers other people that's the problem.
The danger of passing a cigarette on the street pales in comparison to urban pollution, poorly regulated restaurants, and even household cleaners for the number of toxins you expose yourself to. Worrying about second hand smoke outside makes as much sense as worrying about malaria from a mosquito while you’re trapped in a cage with lions.
Not when you're allergic. And even when you're not, I've only met one smoker who realizes how awful they smell and tries to mitigate it.
You do realize this is a hugely fallacious argument, right?
their body their rulez. stay inside if you are a bubble boy ~~~~
Stay inside if you insist on indulging in a disgusting habit. I'm not stopping you from destroying yourself, but no one should have to suffer for your stupid choices.
But smoking in public is intrinsically selfish, so I should know better than to debate it with a smoker. Nothing would convince you to have a little courtesy and class.
Ah yes, discriminate against people, great job not being the bigot
oh wait, you ARE the bigot
They literally just turned the argument around on you and you call them a bigot. Doesn't that make your argument bigotry?
You understand that the guy they're replying to literally described them as "Bubble Boy" for being allergic to smoke?
As @dragonflyteaparty said, if them turning the argument back around is bigotry, doesn't that make the guy they replied to a bigot?
All that dangerous behavior like snacking relentlessly and laughing at dumb jokes, what horror! Also edibles have no secondhand smoke to inhale.
More like car accidents, second hand lung damage in children of smokers, and overdosing.
I'm not talking about just marijuana, but you definitely come across as insecure about it.
OD on cannabis?
The conversation was about vaping, and for those who struggle with reading comprehension, I clearly stated I was talking about more than just cannabis.
thats why vape is KING safe children
No.
https://www.uhhospitals.org/blog/articles/2020/12/secondhand-smoke-and-secondhand-vaping-both-bad-for-kids.
And when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.
It's not a zero sum. You can be against both.
That argument sounds like someone whining about car accidents while setting themselves on fire... one does not make the other okay.
One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn't bullshit.
The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.
But people aren't against it. They are against cigarettes and vaping because they don't like them. Alchohol? Totally fine. Pills? Goochie. Caffeine? Can't live without it. And if it's a matter of smell, then when are we making not showering illegal? Also, axe body spray, perfumes, incense, and any other form of non-consensual smells?
These things will never be banned because people like them. The same argument applies, but it doesn't get railed against because they don't bother you.
It's about ease of enforcement. If you can't enforce a law, it's bullshit lip service.
You'd be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.
Health effects aside, I'd appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people's second-hand smoke/vape.
There's more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you'll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you're talking about a principle.. but it's not a very strong argument.
Okay, assuming that's true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn't end up ingesting my pasta sauce.
When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don't really get a lot of choice in doing).
It's like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn't worry about bathing in the sun for too long.
You missed the point. More accurate would be: because you watched TV for an hour you shouldn't worry about someone shining a flashlight on you. That's the level of consequences we're talking about and it sounds ridiculous when someone blows them out of proportions. Maybe we should start worrying about anal residue too because people are farting outside.
You're breathing the same air they are, whether you can see it or not...
you are one selfish bastard huh
I'd argue the people blowing their exhaust onto passers by are more selfish, considering the passers by don't get a choice in breathing, but sure I'm the selfish one.