With all this talk about sync's pricing...
I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync's developer, Lemmy's developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!
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Sync dev wanting something worth for the all the work they're doing is fine imo. You can tell he put a lot of effort into the app.
The sync cult however seem to be as annoying as they were on reddit. They are like this when we discuss anything about sync's pricing even on non sync communities.
"I'm so happy I can buy sync again"
"Sync is the best"
"No other 3PA can compare to it in my experience"
This is one of the few times I feel like "nobody asked" applies.
Conversely, all the memes trying to shit on sync by people who never used it or even tried it, who asked?
right? "sync users never shut up"
meanwhile my feed:
edit: and three posts down:
we get it you don't like sync, I'm just trying to find content in an app i enjoy 🤷♂️
Ohh, that's mine. Sorry if my post annoyed you, i'm just trying my best adding content to lemmy. Funny enough, i'm really to throw money at ultra sub because i love reddit sync, but seeing the pricing and no regional price while the app still in beta state, i'd rather not, for now.
App is nice though, feels like home.
There is regional pricing though, look at the comments under posts about removing ads. Some are paying the equivalent of $15, others €18 to €23.
Cool. What are the regional prices for your home instance? Your home instance is where you created your account, just to give you a head start.
Pretty sure my region is where my Google account is set up rather than my instance, and I'm at the upper end of the prices I saw. Thanks for the head start in the wrong direction though.
The point was to have you look at your instance admins donation links, since that's what the thread is about.
Edit: you're on the same instance as me! In that case, here's the relevant information
https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld And https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld/posts
Well yeah I get the instances need donations, the person I replied to was talking about regional pricing in sync
lol it's all good 😁 I don't mind the posts at all
Personally I find both sides a bit grating, but moreso the anti-Sync crowd lol.
I used Sync for Reddit and paid for lifetime, but after a while I found that I liked Infinity better, so I switched. I'm now using Infinity for Lemmy and probably won't use Sync for Lemmy, but people who are using Sync (and paid for it)? Good for them. No need to tell them, "Haha you're a sucker for paying for something when there are free alternatives!!", you lose absolutely nothing by other people using Sync or other proprietary apps.
Let people use what they want, jfc.
Q on infinity, is it possible to hide/collapse comments? When I click on a comment, it just shows/hides the toolbar. That's what's stopping me from using at the moment.
On infinity a long press will collapse all comments replying to that comment. With the "Fully collapse comment" setting enabled (under Interface->comment) it will collapse that comment too. The setting "Swap tap and long press in comments" (under Gestures & buttons) will make it so tapping has that effect instead. In the comment toolbar, to the left of the save comment button there is an up arrow that also triggers the collapse of the comment.
Thank you!
Edit: back on infinity with this change :)
Damn these people being happy their favorite app is on Lemmy.
Seriously why do you care ?
Also, the reality is not that the sync cult is too vocal it's that they represent a solid chunk of the overall user base.
And also the fact that on Lemmy there is not much content as of now so minor things can become events.
I'm a bit salty about sync's pricing especially because I already bought the ads removal when sync was on reddit. And I feel like this is not a new code base so I should at least get a minor discount.
There are all kinds of sync users, stop oversimplifying things and spreading stereotypes. Just let people enjoy their few days of being happy they can browse Lemmy in their comfort zone.
This is very weird for me because I was very active on reddit for many years and was subscribed to the android and sync subreddits. Barely ever seen any comments or posts about sync. If you had a lot of interaction about sync on reddit, I have to believe it's because you were looking for that type of content. Or maybe you had a very narrow selection of subreddits. I don't know.
Not the person you were replying to but it does get a bit much when a thread isn't about Sync - like this one for example, which is trying to draw attention to funding Lemmy development and instance sustainability - and then it gets hit with people talking about how much they love Sync and they're happy to pay for it.
Again this is organic. A large influx of sync users started being active on Lemmy. It will fade out in a matter of days.
I understand the sentiment but honestly feel like people are creating unnecessary drama. This is just a temporary trend just like we had days and days of beans meme which was also mildly annoying after 5/6 days.
True, drama hits everywhere, but it can easily be avoided in a post about the importance of supporting lemmy development and instance sustainability by not going on that post to comment how much you personally love a for-profit app. Or any app in fact.
You realize this branch started with someone adding 0 content about supporting the server or lemmy?
I'm not sure if this is your first time using threaded conversation based software but that's really not how a thread works.
This is what I see in Jerboa.
Is that not the first response to OP on this branch?
Please see my previous response.
Is this a point about using the word, "branch."
Or you pointing out that conversation organically drifts? Or something else?
It's point about the fact that comments on a post are all part of the topic of that post and using the word 'branch' to try and infer that this is somehow a whole new subject under discussion is daft. Why do you think so many communities have 'stay on topic' as one of their rules?
I was going a different route. You've only policed the topic in a specific direction (that I've seen).
You're not obligated (and it would look Quixotic) to police every comment. But you sure took on a handful.
I haven't seen that the mods care. I've seen that you do as do some others, but what I see is discussion branching from different elements of the original submission. Like what happens on threaded discussion boards.
Lemmy is for discussion, those will sometimes wind around in a stream of (group) consciousness way. I understand some optics issues with bringing up the app, but it was in the original submission. People on both "sides" took the mention of the app and commented completely divorced from the state aim of the post. While those that mentioned the app and were on topic - those you policed.
If the mods care to force narrow conversation, that's up to them.
'policed' - lol :)
I genuinely don't give a shit about what app anybody uses. I'm not anti or pro any particular app. Feel free to go through my comment history and you'll see mention of Sync in this and only this thread. Why?
Because a) I don't give a shit what app people use and b) this isn't a thread about Sync. The fact that the word 'Sync' appears in the title and body is used in an illustrative way to highlight the fact that Lemmy as a piece of software was developed by two guys who were given a grant. It needs funding via donations. Instance owners also need funding via donations. If these two things don't happen Lemmy goes away. That's the point of this thread, irregardless of what language or words were used. I'm not OP so I can't say why they chose to use Sync as an example.
When Sync users jump in to tell everyone how much they love Sync, that detracts from the point of the thread. It dillutes it and all of a sudden everyone's talking about Sync, not what the thread subject is about. OP and a couple others tried to go through this thread telling Sync posters that that wasn't the point of thread. Then Sync posters got annoyed and we started getting the 'I just want to use Sync', 'why do you care?' comments. So we responded to those too.
Mods are only going to step in if a thread gets nasty, which it hasn't. It's just very very frustrating to see a thread hijacked by people who want to talk about how great an app is in a thread designed to draw attention to the fact that Lemmy as a piece of software and instance owners - both of which any app absolutely requires in order to function - need support.
If you or anyone else wants to talk about Sync in a positive or negative way then I'm sure there are communities you can do that in. There's absolutely no need to enshittify a thread that has absolutely no bearing on Sync (or any other app) as a piece of software, especially when that thread discusses a subject as absolutely vital to the continued existence, growth and maturation of Lemmy as this.
My guy go read the threads title
My guy read the actual post.
They are both the submission. Unfortunately OP made sync's cost part of the topic and the pivot point into a reasonable ask.
Headlines matter and cannot be completely separated from the entirety of the message.
Y'know, most people are capable of nuance and ascertaining meaning from context.
I'm telling you bruh, no reading comprehension at all 😂😂😂
Hmm, I'm not sure how much I actually do. It's mostly these posts coming to my feed automatically and this is like the main lemmy topic today.
Hmm, maybe I shouldn't actually have called them a cult after thinking through more. But I do find some of what they do annoying like what I mentioned before.
Sync was mostly drama free but there were two things I noticed on reddit.
Sometimes when free version users come to troubleshoot an issue, premium users would try to convince them to buy the pro version to support the developer without offering a solution(most likely because they can't offer a solution). I was in many different third party apps and this was absurd to me. I don't recall seeing anything like this in any of the other third party app subreddits. A reason behind this might be the large userbase. Sync has a much larger userbase than most third party android apps. Also, sync dev and the moderators were chill. It was just comments from random users.
The developer once released a major update which many old time users didn't like. They raged to the point that the sync dev took a pretty long break to the point people were wondering if sync was abandoned or not. Even his own moderators lost contact with him. I wasn't even subscribed to the sync subreddit when this happened and l learned of it like a few weeks or maybe a month or two later from I think r/androidapps or a similar subreddit where people were discussing their favourite third party apps.
So, nope. Sync isn't drama free completely and my selection of subreddits definitely weren't narrow(I had to make multiple custom feeds at the end).
I want to add again that I'm satisfied with the sync dev's work and decision. It's not wrong to want to profit from your work.
I am in the similar boat. I feel that I left reddit in solidarity with the 3rd party app developers. And, I was expecting the price to reflect some discount for the people who left in solidarity.
I also feel that ad removal is a in principle as most people on lemmy would be using tools to already block ads. I am willing to pay, but I am hardly inconvenienced by the ads.
And right there is the problem. I bought sync for reddit so why should I have to pay for lemmy. I mean the developer had to do work to rewrite for the lemmy api.
You should want to at least chuck a dollar to your home instance. Sync won't have damn content on it if there's no Lemmy instances to pull from.
I agree, some of these users in Sync threads are just straight up fucking annoying. Not even with their opinions that Sync is the best, that's inconsequential in my opinion and fine, but I've had to stand up to a few really ignorant and a couple of really dumb takes regarding FOSS recently. I'm a FOSS advocate, but I believe in using the best tool/app/option firstly and I generally avoid recommendations unless they are sought after, but I just can't stand by when inaccuracies and hypocritical takes are being thrown around regarding FOSS.
I had someone essentially arguing for security through obscurity with this comment recently:
Another user with another bad take:
Like hello? That proprietary app just got killed by a proprietary platform, and was saved by a FOSS platform. And backing of a company? Also might want to check out killedbygoogle.com
With that said, Sync is really polished, it's been in development for a long time now so it's going to have that advantage over other clients. It has by far the most customization I've tried, which I absolutely love, and it runs smoothly. Right now it has a major glitch with comment sorting by top, but once that is fixed, then it is worth $20 for ad-free. And annoying Sync users aside, that's how I feel about Sync.
I also support Jerboa, and have sent them money. And in all honestly, even though Jerboa doesn't have the customization that Sync has right now, it runs just as smoothly and the defaults align with my wants and needs so it doesn't need the extra customization for me personally. When Jerboa adds a default comment sorting option, it's going to be my preferred client.
Oh wow that grinds my gears too. Hopefully those takes are out of pure ignorance and lack of information rather than actually believing FOSS is not secure.
It's the former.
The second bad take lmao. Is this actually from lemmy?
Yeah, unfortunately, although they were kbin users. I made lengthy responses to both of those individuals. If you want to read a lot of really bad takes, here you go:
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/2003731?context=4
Although, I narrowly avoided an aneurysm reading their comments, so I wouldn't recommend it.
Welp, that was something to read
Yes, most people are dumb
Did somebody asked your opinion?
No. But here we are. Reading about the "sync cult" whatever that is.
So.. Let's extend that courtesy to everyone, all right?
Because a "nobody asked about your opinion" stance is a sure fire way to end any discussion platform. Like lemmy.
What I do think that Mr. Dawson should do is direct a percentage of that sweet sync income at lemmy.world and the lemmy devs. That would end or at least lessen this discussion.
I'd normally agree. I don't really like when someone responds with "nobody asked" to me or someone else.
But I really don't think a comment such as "I'm glad I can buy sync again" is appropriate for posts such as this. OP came to remind us to donate to lemmy devs as one of the main topics of lemmy is about sync now. The OP and the users who clicked this post didn't come to see comments like those from those specific sync users.
As for calling them a cult, I apologize for that.
Again, I also agree "nobody asked" isn't really a healthy way to proceed but those comments really do feel irrelevant. I have no idea what their purpose is here.
No need to apologise for anything bud, this is the Internet where Linus rants daily! We all do!
I understand you're fed up with all the sync bs. I just think we have to try to turn this in/to a way everybody gets better from it.
The reddit refugees are happy because "this feels just like home", they(we) don't care it's 20 bucks!
The og Foss crowd grumpingly :) accepts the higher amount of contributions which stems from that. (this is the point we've to drive home to ljdawson(sync dev)
And we all benefit because the fediverse grows and keeps growing, more content, more everything. Shiny beautiful future, end to war and world hunger, beginning of a new era where humanity reaches for the stars or dies because of a rogue AI or because of a runaway greenhouse effect.
Wait. No, not those last ones. It should have a happy ending.
Anyway: Everybody is happy. More or less. :) *for a while. *
No one asked.
So what is lemmy then?