I really hate trans health care. It’s just health care. If they ain’t hurting anyone, leave them alone. Jesus.
We don’t trust people under 21 with alcohol that affects them for a few hours. Letting kids make life altering decisions is irresponsible.
Yeah, but I trust their doctors and their recommendations.
Doctors do shit for money.
They'll recommend whatever the parent asks for.
I want universal healthcare and even UBI, but this shit is just child abuse.
Edit to add: if you want to cut your dick off and call yourself a girl as an adult, I don't care. If you convince your kids doctor to chemically castrate them, you should go to jail.
Doctors used to recommend all kinds of stupid shit. Lobotomies, literally transfusing COWS MILK into people because it's white and will obviously make white blood cells.
They're wrong about this, too.
Are you talking about medically delaying puberty? You're aware that's done with cis kids more often than trans kids, right?
I don't see how it's child abuse when prescribed to a minor with gender dysphoria, but totally fine when it's a minor with precocious puberty.
For many trans people, having the option to postpone irrevocable changes brought on by puberty has massive mental health benefits for the rest of their lives. I feel like you have to be pretty jaded and dismissive to just categorize that as abuse out of hand.
Doctors do shit for money.
Yeah, it's all fucked, man.
Doctors do stuff like appendectomies—literally cutting out a part of you.
Doctors made my grandpa go through chemo. That was before he co-in-ci-dentally lost all his hair.
Doctors will literally take out all of your blood and give you someone else's blood. For why? They're not keeping it. It's not like they're vampires. Literally, for what reason?
I know the reason.
It's MONEY.
You don't gotta do all that shit. I drink my own urine and I've never been healthier.
Hahahahahaha! Ok buddy
Good God!
You've completely changed my mind!
I'm putting my kids on puberty blockers right now!
Nice edit.
You told me to huff paint
I still stand by my original comment, and had no intentions of hiding it, more I figured the mods wouldn't like it.
Additionally, I said more paint, a small but significant distinction.
If you're going to implicitly compare something like doctors abusing peoples trust to push things like opiates onto the population as a whole to providing specialized healthcare to a percent of a percent of the population, you've already succumb to brain rot and there will be no productive conversation to be had. Cheers, man.
You are right we don't trust kids. That is why doctors are involved.
Conservatism needs to be extinguished wholesale. There is no such thing as a "good conservative" alive today. They are cancer.
I agree, but I have a sneaking suspicion that we see the opposite happen in real time. Conservatism won't just go away. It seems to be on course to take over everything pretty soon. If you're anyone that the right doesn't like, I would seriously start thinking about how to get out of here soon.
it's taking over a lot of places all over the world. "cancer" is right, and it's metastasizing.
Terf Island: we already fucked off so hard we aren't even in the EU anymore. That's the maximum amount of fuck off we can manage
I kind of get it, but maybe I also don’t fully understand what trans health care for kids is all about. (I’m not against it btw)
You can’t get a tattoo before you’re 18 because that’s (somewhat) permanent. Does trans care interfere with puberty in a way that’s irreversible?
I also realize what I just typed is probably comparing apples to oranges… maybe the people passing these laws are thinking the kids will grow up and change their minds - does that actually happen? (I doubt it, but just asking because I don’t know.)
Kids under 18 aren't legally able to start hormone therapy or get surgery. The most they can get is puberty blockers and therapy. Ppl who complain about Trans kids changing their mind are full of shit. Everything a minor receives as Trans health care is reasonable, safe, and reversible
Puberty itself is full of irreversible changes. Having puberty blockers available to trans youth is important to prevent their bodies from making changes they don’t want, and is reversible later.
Yeah, you basically nailed it. Trans healthcare for minors , if such a term would need defining would be the reduction of of permanent changes brought on by puberty. Generally, adults who started taking puberty blockers as a kid can either stop taking them later and have a (very likely mostly) normal puberty, or they can start pursuing more permanent changes, like hormone therapy.
A good chunk of the 'debate' is trying to separate normal people into 'not trans' and 'lesser.' What we want is really just comprehensive healthcare- same rules for everyone.
To your last point: trans-affirming surgeries have a vastly lower regret rate than most cosmetic surgeries, which is a very good reason to allow trans adults to choose to pursue them. The people passing these laws want a lower class. at no point does "protect trans children" ever come up in earnest.
That's what I was wondering too and maybe there needs to be more information on what exactly trans care for kids is all about. I honestly have no clue.
Maybe that's a good reason why this shouldn't be a political issue but a medical one decided by experts in the field instead of politicians with influence from the general public.
No reasoning should be necessary to keep government/politicians/anyone else out of people’s private lives - including (and ESPECIALLY) health care decisions.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Yes, it absolutely happens. That's one reason they're passing laws to stop it
Cant stop the laws, but there are people helping to get individuals the treatment they need. Check out elevatedaccess.org
I really hate trans health care. It’s just health care. If they ain’t hurting anyone, leave them alone. Jesus.
We don’t trust people under 21 with alcohol that affects them for a few hours. Letting kids make life altering decisions is irresponsible.
Yeah, but I trust their doctors and their recommendations.
Doctors do shit for money.
They'll recommend whatever the parent asks for.
I want universal healthcare and even UBI, but this shit is just child abuse.
Edit to add: if you want to cut your dick off and call yourself a girl as an adult, I don't care. If you convince your kids doctor to chemically castrate them, you should go to jail.
Doctors used to recommend all kinds of stupid shit. Lobotomies, literally transfusing COWS MILK into people because it's white and will obviously make white blood cells.
They're wrong about this, too.
Are you talking about medically delaying puberty? You're aware that's done with cis kids more often than trans kids, right?
I don't see how it's child abuse when prescribed to a minor with gender dysphoria, but totally fine when it's a minor with precocious puberty.
For many trans people, having the option to postpone irrevocable changes brought on by puberty has massive mental health benefits for the rest of their lives. I feel like you have to be pretty jaded and dismissive to just categorize that as abuse out of hand.
Yeah, it's all fucked, man.
Doctors do stuff like appendectomies—literally cutting out a part of you.
Doctors made my grandpa go through chemo. That was before he co-in-ci-dentally lost all his hair.
Doctors will literally take out all of your blood and give you someone else's blood. For why? They're not keeping it. It's not like they're vampires. Literally, for what reason?
I know the reason.
It's MONEY.
You don't gotta do all that shit. I drink my own urine and I've never been healthier.
Hahahahahaha! Ok buddy
Good God!
You've completely changed my mind!
I'm putting my kids on puberty blockers right now!
Nice edit.
You told me to huff paint
I still stand by my original comment, and had no intentions of hiding it, more I figured the mods wouldn't like it.
Additionally, I said more paint, a small but significant distinction.
If you're going to implicitly compare something like doctors abusing peoples trust to push things like opiates onto the population as a whole to providing specialized healthcare to a percent of a percent of the population, you've already succumb to brain rot and there will be no productive conversation to be had. Cheers, man.
You are right we don't trust kids. That is why doctors are involved.
Conservatism needs to be extinguished wholesale. There is no such thing as a "good conservative" alive today. They are cancer.
I agree, but I have a sneaking suspicion that we see the opposite happen in real time. Conservatism won't just go away. It seems to be on course to take over everything pretty soon. If you're anyone that the right doesn't like, I would seriously start thinking about how to get out of here soon.
it's taking over a lot of places all over the world. "cancer" is right, and it's metastasizing.
FUCK OFF
TRANSPHOBES
Terf Island: we already fucked off so hard we aren't even in the EU anymore. That's the maximum amount of fuck off we can manage
I kind of get it, but maybe I also don’t fully understand what trans health care for kids is all about. (I’m not against it btw)
You can’t get a tattoo before you’re 18 because that’s (somewhat) permanent. Does trans care interfere with puberty in a way that’s irreversible?
I also realize what I just typed is probably comparing apples to oranges… maybe the people passing these laws are thinking the kids will grow up and change their minds - does that actually happen? (I doubt it, but just asking because I don’t know.)
Kids under 18 aren't legally able to start hormone therapy or get surgery. The most they can get is puberty blockers and therapy. Ppl who complain about Trans kids changing their mind are full of shit. Everything a minor receives as Trans health care is reasonable, safe, and reversible
Puberty itself is full of irreversible changes. Having puberty blockers available to trans youth is important to prevent their bodies from making changes they don’t want, and is reversible later.
Yeah, you basically nailed it. Trans healthcare for minors , if such a term would need defining would be the reduction of of permanent changes brought on by puberty. Generally, adults who started taking puberty blockers as a kid can either stop taking them later and have a (very likely mostly) normal puberty, or they can start pursuing more permanent changes, like hormone therapy.
A good chunk of the 'debate' is trying to separate normal people into 'not trans' and 'lesser.' What we want is really just comprehensive healthcare- same rules for everyone.
To your last point: trans-affirming surgeries have a vastly lower regret rate than most cosmetic surgeries, which is a very good reason to allow trans adults to choose to pursue them. The people passing these laws want a lower class. at no point does "protect trans children" ever come up in earnest.
That's what I was wondering too and maybe there needs to be more information on what exactly trans care for kids is all about. I honestly have no clue.
Maybe that's a good reason why this shouldn't be a political issue but a medical one decided by experts in the field instead of politicians with influence from the general public.
No reasoning should be necessary to keep government/politicians/anyone else out of people’s private lives - including (and ESPECIALLY) health care decisions.
Yes, it absolutely happens. That's one reason they're passing laws to stop it
Cant stop the laws, but there are people helping to get individuals the treatment they need. Check out elevatedaccess.org