All countries are shit. Fuck borders. Let's just be earthlings and chill the fuck out.
Thatās what I wish for. But the Monkeyās Paw says the entire earth is now governed by Kim Jong Un.
Yes, let's be total normal people from planet earth.
I hate America, because that's where I'm from and what I know the most about. If I lived in your country, I'd hate it more.
That doesn't seem very demuremindful yesman of you.
āDo you hate the country youāre from?ā
None.
Countries don't have a unique identity I could like or dislike as a whole.
They can vary widely from region to region, city to city, block to block, street to street... heck even person to person. I may not like some people, or at worst some region because of this or that reason but that is all.
I wonder what the farthest you can be from a Walmart and an Applebee's in any populated USA area.
Countries donāt have a unique identity I could like or dislike as a whole.
What exactly would you call a federal government?
Like, you're taking it as "people from a country" and trying to be high and mighty about it. When literally no one else is having that conversation...
Why not think of "them" as "people from another country"? That is what they actually are - just people but from another country.
Either you meant to reply to the other person or you completely misunderstood my comment....
Edit: I did mean to comment on your reply.
What I mean is that the people of a country are not the same as their government. Never was like that, never will be.
Edit: I did mean to comment on your reply.
What I mean is that the people of a country are not the same as their government. Never was like that, never will be.
Exactly.
And if you read the headline, OP asked about countries, not the people in/from them.
I'm not disagreeing with either of you. Just pointing out you ain't talking about what everyone else is talking about. Like if someone asked what the best Marvel movie was, and you said making a coat out of 101 dalmatians puppies wasn't ethical.
Someone that asks what you're talking about wouldn't be advocating for puppy coats, they're wondering why you thought that was the subject of discussion.
Like you could try to argue Disney owns them both so it's relevant, but it's still a jump that you made on your own.
I commented this earlier: I have no particular dislike for any country. I just don't like some people I know personally or whose actions are known to me.
And I mean just that. I don't see how it would be helpful to anyone to hate on people you actually know nothing about. This simple concept of nations might be alright at the Olympics and such but it is not when it comes to judging a whole nation, meaning hundreds of thousands if not millons of people.
hate on people
Again, everyone else is talking about Marvel movies and you keep going on about puppy coats...
What exactly would you call a federal government?
I would call it a (federal) government, not a country.
How would you call it?
I more than disagree with what our government is doing in my country (and how they are doing it), do you think I should dislike all the people living in it, and all the places of that country because of me disliking a bunch of politicians and their politics? I don't.
Like, youāre taking it as āpeople from a countryā and trying to be high and mighty about it. When literally no one else is having that conversationā¦
Like, do you really think it's healthy to only answer what people are expecting?
and trying to be high and mighty about it.
In our days and age of constant hastily proclaimed condemnations, I can appreciate you taking the time to better know me before expressing your informed opinion on my person.
Demacia from Runeterra. They claim to be morally right and superior whilst also doing eugenics. Bloody bastards.
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This thread will either be all american hate or super racist, there's no in between
Remember Rule 1 people.
Remember rule 1, people! We canāt have any truth leaking into our aggressively-censored (lemmy.world) echo-chamber that so closely resembles the smug Reddit hive-mind that itās hard to discern between the two!
Rule 1 is: Be nice and have fun.
Definitely censorship there. I'd add more, but that would violate rule 1.
So instead... I hope you have the day you deserve.
My point is: Rule 1 is vaguely-phrased and has been repeatedly cited as justification for censorship. ESPECIALLY here on Lemmy.world.
āBe niceā.
Anyone dishing out any inconvenient truths about the world can be accused of not ābeing niceā. Itās the perfect catch-all for censorship happy moderation.
It might as well say, ādonāt say anything that might be considered controversial by the hivemindā
Or, just don't be a dick. Something many users have a fundamental issue with from my experience over the last 25+ years online.
Perhaps. I donāt think Iāve stepped out of line but text can be read in so many different tones.
You ever get into a debate where the other side wonāt even meet you in the middle at some source of ground truth and the reality that you have to make them aware of is impossible for them to perceive in a way that doesnāt sound threatening to their entire worldview? It happens all the time. Thatās not being a dick. Thatās the reality of these types of discussions. They are uncomfortable but essential for a healthy democracy.
I wasn't directing it at you specifically, just a general commentary about the pseudo-anonymity that many internet commenters feel they have and the resulting attitudes and responses because of that. The core reason for vague generalized rules like Rule 1 is because people will be dicks, just because they can. And that manifests in hundreds of different ways that are hard to account for in a general community rule structure beyond something simple like, don't be a dick.
Ahh. Well thanks for hearing me out. Iām glad to be able to describe something that happens to me repeatedly on these types of forums.
Yeah no worries.
The issue is that as rules get more specific, those types of users/trolls go out of their way to skirt around the edges as closely as possible without breaking them, and usually very vocal about not breaking the rule in the process.
On the flip side, vague rules means moderation can be viewed as simultaneously both heavy and light handed depending on perspective.
Probably the ones who oppress their own people, wage war, manufacture weapons and death, spread terrorism... I'm not singling out any specific one. It's difficult to compare which atrocity is the worst and choose a winner.
Great answer. You managed to put it in a way that canāt possibly offend while also being honest.ā
Countries I like in no particular order: Canada, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, New Zealand
Good choices, especially for Taiwan.
I have no particular dislike for any country. I just don't like some people I know personally or whose actions are known to me.
Why is this posted twice by two users on two instances? OP I think you exposed your alt.
Read the thread title againā¦.
I assure you, that other user is not me. Honestly though, who cares anyway? Theyāre two totally opposite questions.
I see the distinction, my mistake. Was trying to be helpful in case you double posted by accident.
No problem! Thanks for the heads up even though it wasnāt true. :)
I've visited a scant handful of countries. And you want me to pick a least favorite? Let's start by enumerating my options: US, Canada, Thailand, Mexico, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Laos.
I guess I'll have to say Jamaica because they were pushy as hell with tourists, but not in a scary way. I don't have anything bad to say about my experiences in any of the rest. Canada gets too cold in the winter, but not while I was there. I could occasionally hear gunfire in the distance from the resort in Mexico, but it was never worrisomeāI can sometimes hear a gun range from my house. That's it. I'm pretty easy to please, I guess.
Not that I'm not famous for saying it already (and I should clarify I hold these sentiments for national governments and the cultures, not civilian individuals), but the British ranks on top for their overreach, if not also Japan and Russia for the weight their cultures put on people.
My least favourites are in no particular order; Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, New Zealand, Norway, and the United Kingdom. Reasoning is that they have territorial claims in Antartica.
Antartica belongs to the inhabiting wildlife, no one has the right to claim a territory there.
I'm not well-traveled internationally. Outside of America I've only ever been to Costa Rica, which was a great experience. I'd like to visit Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Germany, and Canada.
Outside of the obvious despotic and corrupt nations, I've watched enough Amazing Race to know that, sorry, I'll never go to India.
All countries are shit. Fuck borders. Let's just be earthlings and chill the fuck out.
Thatās what I wish for. But the Monkeyās Paw says the entire earth is now governed by Kim Jong Un.
Yes, let's be total normal people from planet earth.
I hate America, because that's where I'm from and what I know the most about. If I lived in your country, I'd hate it more.
That doesn't seem very
demuremindfulyesman of you.āDo you hate the country youāre from?ā
None.
Countries don't have a unique identity I could like or dislike as a whole.
They can vary widely from region to region, city to city, block to block, street to street... heck even person to person. I may not like some people, or at worst some region because of this or that reason but that is all.
I wonder what the farthest you can be from a Walmart and an Applebee's in any populated USA area.
What exactly would you call a federal government?
Like, you're taking it as "people from a country" and trying to be high and mighty about it. When literally no one else is having that conversation...
Why not think of "them" as "people from another country"? That is what they actually are - just people but from another country.
Either you meant to reply to the other person or you completely misunderstood my comment....
Edit: I did mean to comment on your reply.
What I mean is that the people of a country are not the same as their government. Never was like that, never will be.
Edit: I did mean to comment on your reply.
What I mean is that the people of a country are not the same as their government. Never was like that, never will be.
Exactly.
And if you read the headline, OP asked about countries, not the people in/from them.
I'm not disagreeing with either of you. Just pointing out you ain't talking about what everyone else is talking about. Like if someone asked what the best Marvel movie was, and you said making a coat out of 101 dalmatians puppies wasn't ethical.
Someone that asks what you're talking about wouldn't be advocating for puppy coats, they're wondering why you thought that was the subject of discussion.
Like you could try to argue Disney owns them both so it's relevant, but it's still a jump that you made on your own.
I commented this earlier: I have no particular dislike for any country. I just don't like some people I know personally or whose actions are known to me.
And I mean just that. I don't see how it would be helpful to anyone to hate on people you actually know nothing about. This simple concept of nations might be alright at the Olympics and such but it is not when it comes to judging a whole nation, meaning hundreds of thousands if not millons of people.
Again, everyone else is talking about Marvel movies and you keep going on about puppy coats...
I would call it a (federal) government, not a country.
How would you call it?
I more than disagree with what our government is doing in my country (and how they are doing it), do you think I should dislike all the people living in it, and all the places of that country because of me disliking a bunch of politicians and their politics? I don't.
Like, do you really think it's healthy to only answer what people are expecting?
In our days and age of constant hastily proclaimed condemnations, I can appreciate you taking the time to better know me before expressing your informed opinion on my person.
Demacia from Runeterra. They claim to be morally right and superior whilst also doing eugenics. Bloody bastards.
Spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
This thread will either be all american hate or super racist, there's no in between
Remember Rule 1 people.
Remember rule 1, people! We canāt have any truth leaking into our aggressively-censored (lemmy.world) echo-chamber that so closely resembles the smug Reddit hive-mind that itās hard to discern between the two!
Rule 1 is: Be nice and have fun.
Definitely censorship there. I'd add more, but that would violate rule 1.
So instead... I hope you have the day you deserve.
My point is: Rule 1 is vaguely-phrased and has been repeatedly cited as justification for censorship. ESPECIALLY here on Lemmy.world.
Anyone dishing out any inconvenient truths about the world can be accused of not ābeing niceā. Itās the perfect catch-all for censorship happy moderation.
It might as well say, ādonāt say anything that might be considered controversial by the hivemindā
Or, just don't be a dick. Something many users have a fundamental issue with from my experience over the last 25+ years online.
Perhaps. I donāt think Iāve stepped out of line but text can be read in so many different tones.
You ever get into a debate where the other side wonāt even meet you in the middle at some source of ground truth and the reality that you have to make them aware of is impossible for them to perceive in a way that doesnāt sound threatening to their entire worldview? It happens all the time. Thatās not being a dick. Thatās the reality of these types of discussions. They are uncomfortable but essential for a healthy democracy.
I wasn't directing it at you specifically, just a general commentary about the pseudo-anonymity that many internet commenters feel they have and the resulting attitudes and responses because of that. The core reason for vague generalized rules like Rule 1 is because people will be dicks, just because they can. And that manifests in hundreds of different ways that are hard to account for in a general community rule structure beyond something simple like, don't be a dick.
Ahh. Well thanks for hearing me out. Iām glad to be able to describe something that happens to me repeatedly on these types of forums.
Yeah no worries.
The issue is that as rules get more specific, those types of users/trolls go out of their way to skirt around the edges as closely as possible without breaking them, and usually very vocal about not breaking the rule in the process.
On the flip side, vague rules means moderation can be viewed as simultaneously both heavy and light handed depending on perspective.
Probably the ones who oppress their own people, wage war, manufacture weapons and death, spread terrorism... I'm not singling out any specific one. It's difficult to compare which atrocity is the worst and choose a winner.
Great answer. You managed to put it in a way that canāt possibly offend while also being honest.ā
Countries I like in no particular order: Canada, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, France, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, New Zealand
Good choices, especially for Taiwan.
I have no particular dislike for any country. I just don't like some people I know personally or whose actions are known to me.
Why is this posted twice by two users on two instances? OP I think you exposed your alt.
Read the thread title againā¦.
I assure you, that other user is not me. Honestly though, who cares anyway? Theyāre two totally opposite questions.
I see the distinction, my mistake. Was trying to be helpful in case you double posted by accident.
No problem! Thanks for the heads up even though it wasnāt true. :)
I've visited a scant handful of countries. And you want me to pick a least favorite? Let's start by enumerating my options: US, Canada, Thailand, Mexico, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Laos.
I guess I'll have to say Jamaica because they were pushy as hell with tourists, but not in a scary way. I don't have anything bad to say about my experiences in any of the rest. Canada gets too cold in the winter, but not while I was there. I could occasionally hear gunfire in the distance from the resort in Mexico, but it was never worrisomeāI can sometimes hear a gun range from my house. That's it. I'm pretty easy to please, I guess.
Not that I'm not famous for saying it already (and I should clarify I hold these sentiments for national governments and the cultures, not civilian individuals), but the British ranks on top for their overreach, if not also Japan and Russia for the weight their cultures put on people.
Switzerland
Peru and USA
My least favourites are in no particular order; Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, New Zealand, Norway, and the United Kingdom. Reasoning is that they have territorial claims in Antartica.
Antartica belongs to the inhabiting wildlife, no one has the right to claim a territory there.
I'm not well-traveled internationally. Outside of America I've only ever been to Costa Rica, which was a great experience. I'd like to visit Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Germany, and Canada.
Outside of the obvious despotic and corrupt nations, I've watched enough Amazing Race to know that, sorry, I'll never go to India.