When u don't care how much people cry about what you post.
You'd stop posting the minute everyone ignored you. Since you know the stakes of this election though, you know that won't happen.
When you post articles that use data that is damn near a month out of date. Polls from August 25th? Or is it August 27th? Wasn't that prior to the debate pounding that Harris gave Trump? On top of that where is this data from? What CAIR has posted at first glance does not include geographic breakdowns, so where did that data actually come from?
I didn't write the Rueters news article. The date of the article shows "September 19, 20243:21 PM MDT."
If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
The date of the article is irrelevant, the article clearly shows the poll was made August 25 to August 27th.
And I'm not going to bitch to Reuters about the audacity you had to post such nonsense data to a politics community.
If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
And I just told you that I don't have a problem with Reuters. I totally get that it is not high priority news and it took them a while to put out a report about it.
I just told you that it's you I have a problem with.
I don't have to explain anything to you. I posted an article.
I didn't have a problem with it. You did. That's ok.
Everyone constantly down votes you but I appreciate being informed that Jill Stein sucks. 🤷🏻♂️
If anything in my post helps you feel better, then I'm happy for you, friend.
Jill Stein doesn’t put in the efforts between presidential elections to promote her party or to get her candidates elected in local, state or federal elections.
She’s not for helping anyone besides herself and a majority of Muslim Americans realize this.
You just get that impression because the media isnt interested in her between elections. She continues having events and talks and doing political work.
How many people in her party are elected in local, state or federal governments?
You really cant be crusading against a party being elected and then try and complain that theyre not getting elected.
Jill Stein doesn’t put in the efforts between presidential elections to promote her party or to get her candidates elected in local, state or federal elections. She’s not for helping anyone besides herself and a majority of Muslim Americans realize this
This was my original comment, the one you responded to.
Yes, effort is put in. Effort that you and the DNC are fighting against on a daily basis. How much effort gets someone elected for the green party? Can you give me a number of speeches given, emails sent, flyers put up, that guarantees their candidate gets elected?
How many people in her party are elected in local, state or federal governments?
This question has an answer.
What is the number?
Nah we're talking about putting in effort. They can put in all the work in the world but they cant force anyone to vote for them.
Jill Stein doesn’t put in the efforts between presidential elections to promote her party or to get her candidates elected in local, state or federal elections. She’s not for helping anyone besides herself and a majority of Muslim Americans realize this.
This is the comment you replied to, because it seems like you’re a little confused.
You can’t build a party from the top up, you have start at the bottom, the foundation.
She hasn’t done that and she didn’t even run for president in 2020.
She does do that, you're just ignorant of the work they do. You're starting with some weird conclusion that putting in effort guarantees elections. The effort is put in but you and much larger parties with much larger budgets and legal teams are fighting against that effort.
Ok, so how many people in her party are elected in local, state or federal governments?
You’re starting with some weird conclusion that putting in effort guarantees elections
I'll allow this article to slide because the title says it all. See you tomorrow SB.
I didn't write the title. I didn't write the article. In fact, it's a Reurters article. So please bring up your issues with them directly. Thank you!
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1.34% of the American population, the third largest religion in the US behind Christianity and Judaism.
I'm also going to point out that voting based on what's happening to people who share your religion in a foreign country is a TERRIBLE idea. If you make that your voting priority, it will bite you in the face in other aspects of your life because someone will exploit you for their own ends. The same is pretty much true for any single issue voter.
We're all free to be stupid, but it probably won't end well.
So I've been thinking, if I was in these folks shoes, what should I be doing?
tldr - the stupid FPTP system in the US means we effectively are stuck between two candidates, GOP and Dem, and of the two, the GOP one would be much much worse. So without endorsing they still recommend voting for the Dem candidate for President - while also voting down the ballot for candidates who better represent their views (and might be able to make the future President listen or at least rein the President in - e.g. enough Dem House Reps might be able to table a future bill to increase arms sales to Israel).
The most useful thing individuals can do to change or enact specific policy is to get involved in party politics, because the party platforms are decided internally and either becoming a party delegate, or working to garner votes from delegates for particular policies actually works.
I feel like this is a part of what I said in the other comment on this post, about needing to build up from the grassroots. Agreed.
The Muslim population in swings states is larger than the margin Biden won in 2020.
The Muslim population isn't a single voting bloc, and a good chunk are still voting Democrat.
On the flip side, the Jewish population is almost twice the size of the Muslim population, so pissing them off is probably worse.
It is indeed a very tough balancing act that needs to be done here.
Fair points.
Should be a fun election night!
How about based on whats happening to people that dont share my religion? Because what is happening is so horrific it doesnt matter what group they belong to, it must be stopped.
When was the last time you posted about the other genocides going on? Do you even know which ones I'm talking about?
Or are you just following the social context around the Israel-Palestine conflict and ignoring the fact that there are multiple other major genocides occurring right now? One of them has had a few hundred thousand kids forcibly separated from their parents and sent to special boarding schools, the other is at almost a half million deaths, both dwarfing the scale of the Israeli-Palestine conflict by almost an order of magnitude.
How about them? Where's the university protests? Where's the demands for divestment? You haven't even made a single comment or post about any of them from what I can see.
Nah, this one is the fad genocide to be all upset about right now.
Ill bite, wikipedia has no idea what youre talking about either
Its got 2 other ongoing genocides, neither of which with deaths anywhere near what youre talking about. One for Ukraine which Ive definitely commented on and condemned. And a different one also affecting muslims.
The forcibly separated kids one isn't even listed there, because China has done everything it can to scrub it from public knowledge, it's linked to an older one in there though. The Uyghurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Any vote for Harris is taking a vote away from a third-party candidate and is giving it to Trump.
I think you may have got your order muddled up.
Nope. Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward. :)
Nice try but that's in no way nearing reality. It is however, intentionally enraging. What a great guy.
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They should withhold their vote for the person contributing to getting their family members killed. When Democrats lose again it will be their own doing, again.
The cult of personality to the point of being willing to overlook genocide is insane
I think there are two key points to remember here:
The GOP guy would endorse much worse policies for these folks than Harris.
While Harris is too far off, pressure can also be exerted by voting for the right Senators, House Reps, and local/state officials. Unlike the GOP guy, we have a better chance of making Harris listen, if the right folks are below her.
Ultimately, I respect everyone's choice in voting and won't pass judgement on doing so. But either way, I believe that the key remains building up the grassroots, as AOC and Ralph Nader have both stated recently.
This sounds like some of that push him left after the election bullshit we heard from liberals in 2020. The entire US government only responds to the donor class, there is no pushing anyone any direction without money.
This sounds like some of that push him left after the election ... in 2020.
Nader, you mean? Perhaps.
The entire US government only responds to the donor class, there is no pushing anyone any direction without money.
Yeah, was a problem even before Citizens United in 2010 - but that made it a gazillion times worse.
after the election bullshit we heard from liberals in 2020.
Uh, what? Citation needed?
I remember a lot of BS after but it was from the GOP candidate - something about his winning the election and it getting stolen.
Oy, prepare for your downvotes. Because if you aren't voting for Harris, the people here will have it out for you! lol
They dont understand how election math works, a vote for Harris is taking a vote away from a third party candidate and is giving it to Trump.
That's not how any of that works. The only reason people consider 3rd party votes throw aways is because 3rd party absolutely with 100% confidence will not win the federal election right now. America isn't primed to allow that to happen at this stage and level. They need to take local elections first and build up the movement getting enough backing to make the federal level even close to possible.
And whether voting for 3rd party is throwing a vote to one of the other two parties comes down to which one the voter would have voted for had a 3rd party not been an option. If they would've voted for the democratic candidate, but instead chose to vote for a 3rd party that has 0% chance of winning, then yeah, it hurts the democratic platforms chances. If they would have voted republican, but chose to vote for a 3rd party with 0% chance of winning the it hurts the repiblican platforms chance. Therefore green party votes are considered mostly detrimental to democratic platforms because their voters are more left leaning in nature. Few would vote republican when no 3rd party option presented itself.
The idea that voting democratic or republican is throwing away a vote from green to their competitor isn't functional since the party has zero chance of winning, even if the fence sitters joined them. If they were competitive on federal level you would have a point though.
Why is that not how it works, it seems to be the preferred method when the candidates are rearranged? The whole Stein vote gives it to Trump bullshit.
Thank you so much for this. Perfect comeback. I am totally gonna start using this!
When u know who posted before clicking.
When u don't care how much people cry about what you post.
You'd stop posting the minute everyone ignored you. Since you know the stakes of this election though, you know that won't happen.
When you post articles that use data that is damn near a month out of date. Polls from August 25th? Or is it August 27th? Wasn't that prior to the debate pounding that Harris gave Trump? On top of that where is this data from? What CAIR has posted at first glance does not include geographic breakdowns, so where did that data actually come from?
I didn't write the Rueters news article. The date of the article shows "September 19, 20243:21 PM MDT."
If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
The date of the article is irrelevant, the article clearly shows the poll was made August 25 to August 27th.
And I'm not going to bitch to Reuters about the audacity you had to post such nonsense data to a politics community.
If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it.
And I just told you that I don't have a problem with Reuters. I totally get that it is not high priority news and it took them a while to put out a report about it.
I just told you that it's you I have a problem with.
I don't have to explain anything to you. I posted an article.
I didn't have a problem with it. You did. That's ok.
Everyone constantly down votes you but I appreciate being informed that Jill Stein sucks. 🤷🏻♂️
If anything in my post helps you feel better, then I'm happy for you, friend.
Jill Stein doesn’t put in the efforts between presidential elections to promote her party or to get her candidates elected in local, state or federal elections.
She’s not for helping anyone besides herself and a majority of Muslim Americans realize this.
You just get that impression because the media isnt interested in her between elections. She continues having events and talks and doing political work.
How many people in her party are elected in local, state or federal governments?
You really cant be crusading against a party being elected and then try and complain that theyre not getting elected.
This was my original comment, the one you responded to.
Yes, effort is put in. Effort that you and the DNC are fighting against on a daily basis. How much effort gets someone elected for the green party? Can you give me a number of speeches given, emails sent, flyers put up, that guarantees their candidate gets elected?
This question has an answer.
What is the number?
Nah we're talking about putting in effort. They can put in all the work in the world but they cant force anyone to vote for them.
This is the comment you replied to, because it seems like you’re a little confused.
You can’t build a party from the top up, you have start at the bottom, the foundation.
She hasn’t done that and she didn’t even run for president in 2020.
She does do that, you're just ignorant of the work they do. You're starting with some weird conclusion that putting in effort guarantees elections. The effort is put in but you and much larger parties with much larger budgets and legal teams are fighting against that effort.
Ok, so how many people in her party are elected in local, state or federal governments?
I'll allow this article to slide because the title says it all. See you tomorrow SB.
I didn't write the title. I didn't write the article. In fact, it's a Reurters article. So please bring up your issues with them directly. Thank you!
🤦
If you believe any part of the article is inaccurate, I encourage you to reach out to the news organization that published it. If you think the article doesn't align with the community guidelines, feel free to contact the moderators. Thank you!
1.34% of the American population, the third largest religion in the US behind Christianity and Judaism.
I'm also going to point out that voting based on what's happening to people who share your religion in a foreign country is a TERRIBLE idea. If you make that your voting priority, it will bite you in the face in other aspects of your life because someone will exploit you for their own ends. The same is pretty much true for any single issue voter.
We're all free to be stupid, but it probably won't end well.
So I've been thinking, if I was in these folks shoes, what should I be doing?
I think the Uncommitted movement nailed it on the head: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/19/harris-uncommitted-movement-declines-endorse
tldr - the stupid FPTP system in the US means we effectively are stuck between two candidates, GOP and Dem, and of the two, the GOP one would be much much worse. So without endorsing they still recommend voting for the Dem candidate for President - while also voting down the ballot for candidates who better represent their views (and might be able to make the future President listen or at least rein the President in - e.g. enough Dem House Reps might be able to table a future bill to increase arms sales to Israel).
The most useful thing individuals can do to change or enact specific policy is to get involved in party politics, because the party platforms are decided internally and either becoming a party delegate, or working to garner votes from delegates for particular policies actually works.
I feel like this is a part of what I said in the other comment on this post, about needing to build up from the grassroots. Agreed.
The Muslim population in swings states is larger than the margin Biden won in 2020.
The Muslim population isn't a single voting bloc, and a good chunk are still voting Democrat.
On the flip side, the Jewish population is almost twice the size of the Muslim population, so pissing them off is probably worse.
It is indeed a very tough balancing act that needs to be done here.
Fair points.
Should be a fun election night!
How about based on whats happening to people that dont share my religion? Because what is happening is so horrific it doesnt matter what group they belong to, it must be stopped.
When was the last time you posted about the other genocides going on? Do you even know which ones I'm talking about?
Or are you just following the social context around the Israel-Palestine conflict and ignoring the fact that there are multiple other major genocides occurring right now? One of them has had a few hundred thousand kids forcibly separated from their parents and sent to special boarding schools, the other is at almost a half million deaths, both dwarfing the scale of the Israeli-Palestine conflict by almost an order of magnitude.
How about them? Where's the university protests? Where's the demands for divestment? You haven't even made a single comment or post about any of them from what I can see.
Nah, this one is the fad genocide to be all upset about right now.
Ill bite, wikipedia has no idea what youre talking about either
Yes it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
Its got 2 other ongoing genocides, neither of which with deaths anywhere near what youre talking about. One for Ukraine which Ive definitely commented on and condemned. And a different one also affecting muslims.
You must not have scrolled down far enough, there's one that's been going on for 20+ years in Sudan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80%93present)
The forcibly separated kids one isn't even listed there, because China has done everything it can to scrub it from public knowledge, it's linked to an older one in there though. The Uyghurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Any vote for Harris is taking a vote away from a third-party candidate and is giving it to Trump.
I think you may have got your order muddled up.
Nope. Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward. :)
Nice try but that's in no way nearing reality. It is however, intentionally enraging. What a great guy.
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They should withhold their vote for the person contributing to getting their family members killed. When Democrats lose again it will be their own doing, again.
The cult of personality to the point of being willing to overlook genocide is insane
I think there are two key points to remember here:
The GOP guy would endorse much worse policies for these folks than Harris.
While Harris is too far off, pressure can also be exerted by voting for the right Senators, House Reps, and local/state officials. Unlike the GOP guy, we have a better chance of making Harris listen, if the right folks are below her.
Ultimately, I respect everyone's choice in voting and won't pass judgement on doing so. But either way, I believe that the key remains building up the grassroots, as AOC and Ralph Nader have both stated recently.
This sounds like some of that push him left after the election bullshit we heard from liberals in 2020. The entire US government only responds to the donor class, there is no pushing anyone any direction without money.
Nader, you mean? Perhaps.
Yeah, was a problem even before Citizens United in 2010 - but that made it a gazillion times worse.
Uh, what? Citation needed?
I remember a lot of BS after but it was from the GOP candidate - something about his winning the election and it getting stolen.
Oy, prepare for your downvotes. Because if you aren't voting for Harris, the people here will have it out for you! lol
They dont understand how election math works, a vote for Harris is taking a vote away from a third party candidate and is giving it to Trump.
That's not how any of that works. The only reason people consider 3rd party votes throw aways is because 3rd party absolutely with 100% confidence will not win the federal election right now. America isn't primed to allow that to happen at this stage and level. They need to take local elections first and build up the movement getting enough backing to make the federal level even close to possible.
And whether voting for 3rd party is throwing a vote to one of the other two parties comes down to which one the voter would have voted for had a 3rd party not been an option. If they would've voted for the democratic candidate, but instead chose to vote for a 3rd party that has 0% chance of winning, then yeah, it hurts the democratic platforms chances. If they would have voted republican, but chose to vote for a 3rd party with 0% chance of winning the it hurts the repiblican platforms chance. Therefore green party votes are considered mostly detrimental to democratic platforms because their voters are more left leaning in nature. Few would vote republican when no 3rd party option presented itself.
The idea that voting democratic or republican is throwing away a vote from green to their competitor isn't functional since the party has zero chance of winning, even if the fence sitters joined them. If they were competitive on federal level you would have a point though.
Why is that not how it works, it seems to be the preferred method when the candidates are rearranged? The whole Stein vote gives it to Trump bullshit.
Thank you so much for this. Perfect comeback. I am totally gonna start using this!