‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

Peter Link@lemmy.ml to politics @lemmy.world – -21 points – ‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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...becsuse POTUS45 (becoming POTUS47) will stop weapon supply to Israel, right?

Yeah I don’t get this mentality…. I’m gonna vote against who might not make it better to get someone who will make it and everything else worse.

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They are not voting for him either

the way US system works... they are 🙁

Even more than that, the article makes clear their views.

“Trump is the only hope for peace.”

uhhuhwat

“The former president prevented our families, our friends, our colleagues from entering the country,” he continued, referring to Trump’s 2017 travel ban on several Muslim-majority countries. “But the vice-president killed them.”

But the first one will encourage even more killing, the odds to get closer to a peaceful less kill-y solution are better with Harris. Also, this is conflating Harris with Biden, when this is one thing where they are starting to separate.

Harris] is that she is supporting Israel 100%,” he said.

Except she isn't? She wants an immediate ceasefire - which Israel rejects - and a two state solution. Now you may argue that just saying this isn't enough - but the ability to act here lies with the President under the Constitution, not the VP.

It's really hard to understand what these folks are thinking - it seems they're misunderstanding things regarding Harris's term as VP as well as forgetting about what the other guy has been saying he will do.

Like it or not, not voting for her is effectively voting for him.

I imagine that they dont care about that because they dont calculate it like you do. They will move Harris to be better or they'll burn it all down with fire using Trump. Thats them voting in their own long term self interests, at the cost of a very small short term comfort of life under Harris vs Trump, and its completely rational. You are offered a cushy existence under Harris and they are clearly not, and yet you lecture like they are. Why should they care about your comfort when you shrug as they are murdered or at best treated with open contempt? Dem strategists should have been paying attention to their persona pattern long before now and they just shrugged and ignored it, so here we are with a group thats been maligned and more or less pushed out of the party, and we need their votes to win a wing state.

Sucking up to independents, who arent reliable and are basically republicans, disaffected republicans, and gun nuts is a hail mary that has never worked and no one knows if it will work this time. This is the usual DNC bedshitting and incompetence.

Locking a decisive voting block in a swing state out of the Democratic party convention was a massive, massive mistake, and all Harris has been doing is doubling down on it.

Hillary didnt visit Iowa, and Harris blew off Michigan.

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There are two choices. Not voting for Harris helps dementia donnie, who is no friend to Gaza.

Just because Harris is supporting a genocide on their people, made sure no pro palestinian voice could speak at the Democratic party convention, and talks down to youth protesting the genocide, these Arab Americans abandon the democrats. Talk about ungrateful. There's no reasoning with them. /s

They deserted the working class and marginalized decades ago, it's about time the DNC got abandoned. It's a shame it took genocide for people to see them for who they are.

Accelerationists are bad people.

They are merely voting for their own self interests.

Yet they talk online as if it’s a virtuous choice

Centrists abandoned virtue when they supported a genocider for some perceived tactical advantage-- whether you're voting trump or Harris. They should be doing that with their eyes open and acknowledge that cost. Arab voters arent supporting a genocider when they vote third party or uncommitted.

You want to claim that any vote besides Harris is a vote for Trump. I supoose if people want to ignore a gencoide (like you probably do) they might as well ignore any respect for the concept of democracy and representation as well (like you probably do). Centrists are running out of things to sell out on, and running out of supporters to win the election-- and its not a coincidence that selling out and supporting a genocide will coincide with losing.

Arabs didnt leave the democratic party, the party left them. For some AIPAC donations.

How's that incrementalism working out for you? By all measures it's helped shift your party to the right.

Solidarity could help shift it left. But accelerationist have no desire or idea how to make things better. Always easier to destroy than build.

Accelerationism aims at putting fascists into power; thus it is a species of fascism.

Trump/Putin stating openly he'd end the republic seemed insane at first, but maybe he/they saw some polls that showed how many people were disaffected with the current system and decided to roll the dice on it. Its somehow resonating, which is a real eye opener. Our entire system of government ending is neck and neck in an election and the DNC wont lift a finger toward creating unity, because it would risk some bribes being withdrawn. They clearly dont see the danger at all.

Liberals also called civil rights accelerationism, labor rights accelerationism, any actual progress that has to fight government to progress is considered accelerationism.

Then after those rights have been won, liberals jumped on the bandwagon as if they always supported them. Liberals, like MLK said, are the largest stumbling blocks to progress

People refuse to come to terms that incrementalism is also a form of violence against the poor and working class. It only works if you have resources or peace in your area of living.

The only thing they know is violence. Poverty is violence, lack of health care is violence, stagnant wages is violence, homelessness is violence. Democrats, along with their Republican counterparts, engage in social murder daily.

this was the first and only administration on my memory to openly support unions. They've done quite a few things to improve lives. They did help out their rich donors/friends/sympathithers but not even close to the scale POTUS45 done it.

In all honesty both Dems and Reps should go. Country deserves pluralism and not the false duality. BUT right now, at this moment in time Dems are the only real shot at moving forward. After election, start up the grill and hold their feet to fire and FORCE them to change then otherwise rally behind any other party and make damn sure they win next ellection. Doing so at 11th hour is reckless

*Most important election of our lifetime

In the 36 years I've been able to vote, every time it's the most important election of our lifetime. Caused by a self inflicted existential crisis.

We are not doing this at the 11th hour, many of us have been doing it all our lives.

then support for other parties should've been declared much earlier, never dangled like carrot in front of Dems, 'cause by now you should know it won't work. I get it. In present system there's very little chance of third party getting to power, but look at Canada - NDP was able to wield power with much lower representation. How? Minority government forces compromise and concessions. In other words it can be done, but work needs to start right after prior election, not before current