I dated an "Argentinian" girl in college called Julia Göring. She told me that unlike most families with Nazi related last names, hers decided to keep theirs per her grandmother's insistence.
One of my relatives was named Adolf. He died in the 1970s.
Everybody in my family is Jewish.
Adolf was an uncommon but not rare name in Germany before the funny guy.
Are you talking about Charlie Chaplin?
When Hitler was born, Adolf was one of the 50 most popular first names in Germany, even though he wasn’t born in Germany.
I can't wait for Kevin to start a genocide
Well, the more popular a name the likelier it is that some screwed up person has that name.
Stalin was a Joseph (Ioseb).
Leopold II of Belgium was a Leopold (Léopold), with second names Lewis (Louis) and Philipp (Philippe).
His parents came over pre-war, but it blew my mind when I found out the former dictator of Peru (Alberto Fujimori) was of Japanese ancestry.
I mean there's no reason why an ethnically Japanese man can't rule Peru, but it still was not something I expected at all.
Maybe it's just personal prejudice?
Bro was doing side quests when Japan was fucking up the main game attacking Pearl harbor.
There's a lot going on with Peru's presidents. Another one was of polish ethnicity, another one shot himself and they recently impeached their 4th(?) president in the last 4 years. Also one of the few places I've seen that has a jail only for ex presidents.
Argentinian here... Most of the immigration here, like 85%, is Spanish and Italian (pre and post wars). My family came here before 1920, from different parts of Spain, like it happened in the US and many countries across the continent. That said, it's true many nazis came here to hide after the war, some more hidden than others but most were not in Buenos Aires because they could be easily exposed. This happened also in Chile, Paraguay and Brazil. Why this happened? Probably contacts with the governments and even today South America has almost zero immigration control, nazi or not. Another less known fact is that Argentina has one of the biggest Jewish communities. You can Google it 😊
Wasn’t there already a German population before WW2 because there is a small patch in Argentina with similar climate to Germany?
Yes, absolutely. In the second census (1895), 25% of the population was immigrants, mainly Spanish and Italian, but from other parts of Europe as well. Argentina is a large country with a lot of different landscapes, weather, etc. and back then it was promising. Also immigrants were not looking for a perfect place, just a place to raise their families with better conditions than the ones they had in Europe at the time
That small patch is bigger than Germany. 🤣
Yes, you are right. I only had Cfb (Temperate oceanic) in mind, which is indeed quite small. But there is also a lot bigger area covered by Cfa (Humid subtropical). And both together are indeed more than twice as large as Germany.
Argentina during that time is like the US now - such a promising country. People migrated there in flock.
Actually, America currently has a refugee crisis of people who want to leave
I don't think you can shit post facts. Know an Argentine girl, last name is so German she's not allowed to cross the Rhineland.
A picture of Mussolini could work also, so many Argentinians I know have Italian last names (as well as German).
I knew a Rommel from Mexico. Cool guy. He explained that Rommel was evil, just a General at war. He attempted an assassination plot that failed and he had to choose if he wanted his family to die, or if he should only die. Guess what he chose...
If you meant "wasn't" like the rest of your comment implies, incorrect. Rommel is someone Wehrmacht apologists (or people with his last name) like to make excuses for, but he was a bad, bad dude, if nothing else for being a huge Hitler fanboy well into the Holocaust, of which he was very aware. Hell, supporting the annexation of Austria, Czechoslovakia, and the invasion of Poland by themselves makes you a piece of shit fascist.
He also didn't try to assassinate Hitler, or at least we have no proof for and much against.
Wikipedia tries to stay unbiased on the topic but the simple reality is the only way a Wehrmacht officer didn't participate in genocide was by being dead in 1938, and if you think a field marshal could have clean hands I have a bridge to sell you.
The Rommel myth has better basis that most but it's still a legacy of Cold War realpolitik as the Allies scrambled to politically justify leaving the monstrous establishments of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan relatively intact to use against the Comintern.
They wanted idiots to say "Well, look at Rommel, the Wehrmacht officer class wasn't ALL bad, we can't execute them all!"
And the plan worked, and to this day Rommel is still remembered as "One of the good Nazis."
Fuck me! I've been bamboozled and my old buddy from Mexico is named after a real son of a bitch. Thanks for educating me!
RIP family but you can always make a new one eh
That's what they want you to think so they can appear more "Aryan"
I didn't say it didn't happen, just that it's a lot more uncommon than what Argentinians want you to think
A little weird that they'd look at Nazis and their descendants as something to aspire to. People are a mystery.
If you think that's crazy you haven't met enough Argentinians
Given what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like I've met exactly as many Argentinians as I want to.
"Mexicans came from the indian people, Brazilians came from the jungle, but we, the Argentinians came from the boats, and were boats that came from there, Europe. And that's how we built our society."
Alberto Fernandez, former president of Argentina
For more context, he said that quoting a singer (i think an argentinian one) 💀
I dated an "Argentinian" girl in college called Julia Göring. She told me that unlike most families with Nazi related last names, hers decided to keep theirs per her grandmother's insistence.
One of my relatives was named Adolf. He died in the 1970s.
Everybody in my family is Jewish.
Adolf was an uncommon but not rare name in Germany before the funny guy.
Are you talking about Charlie Chaplin?
When Hitler was born, Adolf was one of the 50 most popular first names in Germany, even though he wasn’t born in Germany.
I can't wait for Kevin to start a genocide
Well, the more popular a name the likelier it is that some screwed up person has that name.
My boss is named Adolfo and I'm just like why?
Göring isn't even such an uncommon name in Germany, there's even a politician of the Green Party currently in parliament with that name.
His parents came over pre-war, but it blew my mind when I found out the former dictator of Peru (Alberto Fujimori) was of Japanese ancestry.
I mean there's no reason why an ethnically Japanese man can't rule Peru, but it still was not something I expected at all.
Maybe it's just personal prejudice?
Bro was doing side quests when Japan was fucking up the main game attacking Pearl harbor.
There's a lot going on with Peru's presidents. Another one was of polish ethnicity, another one shot himself and they recently impeached their 4th(?) president in the last 4 years. Also one of the few places I've seen that has a jail only for ex presidents.
Argentinian here... Most of the immigration here, like 85%, is Spanish and Italian (pre and post wars). My family came here before 1920, from different parts of Spain, like it happened in the US and many countries across the continent. That said, it's true many nazis came here to hide after the war, some more hidden than others but most were not in Buenos Aires because they could be easily exposed. This happened also in Chile, Paraguay and Brazil. Why this happened? Probably contacts with the governments and even today South America has almost zero immigration control, nazi or not. Another less known fact is that Argentina has one of the biggest Jewish communities. You can Google it 😊
Wasn’t there already a German population before WW2 because there is a small patch in Argentina with similar climate to Germany?
Yes, absolutely. In the second census (1895), 25% of the population was immigrants, mainly Spanish and Italian, but from other parts of Europe as well. Argentina is a large country with a lot of different landscapes, weather, etc. and back then it was promising. Also immigrants were not looking for a perfect place, just a place to raise their families with better conditions than the ones they had in Europe at the time
That small patch is bigger than Germany. 🤣
Yes, you are right. I only had Cfb (Temperate oceanic) in mind, which is indeed quite small. But there is also a lot bigger area covered by Cfa (Humid subtropical). And both together are indeed more than twice as large as Germany.
Argentina during that time is like the US now - such a promising country. People migrated there in flock.
Actually, America currently has a refugee crisis of people who want to leave
I don't think you can shit post facts. Know an Argentine girl, last name is so German she's not allowed to cross the Rhineland.
A picture of Mussolini could work also, so many Argentinians I know have Italian last names (as well as German).
I knew a Rommel from Mexico. Cool guy. He explained that Rommel was evil, just a General at war. He attempted an assassination plot that failed and he had to choose if he wanted his family to die, or if he should only die. Guess what he chose...
If you meant "wasn't" like the rest of your comment implies, incorrect. Rommel is someone Wehrmacht apologists (or people with his last name) like to make excuses for, but he was a bad, bad dude, if nothing else for being a huge Hitler fanboy well into the Holocaust, of which he was very aware. Hell, supporting the annexation of Austria, Czechoslovakia, and the invasion of Poland by themselves makes you a piece of shit fascist.
He also didn't try to assassinate Hitler, or at least we have no proof for and much against.
If you want some light reading...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rommel_myth
Wikipedia tries to stay unbiased on the topic but the simple reality is the only way a Wehrmacht officer didn't participate in genocide was by being dead in 1938, and if you think a field marshal could have clean hands I have a bridge to sell you.
The Rommel myth has better basis that most but it's still a legacy of Cold War realpolitik as the Allies scrambled to politically justify leaving the monstrous establishments of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan relatively intact to use against the Comintern.
They wanted idiots to say "Well, look at Rommel, the Wehrmacht officer class wasn't ALL bad, we can't execute them all!"
And the plan worked, and to this day Rommel is still remembered as "One of the good Nazis."
Fuck me! I've been bamboozled and my old buddy from Mexico is named after a real son of a bitch. Thanks for educating me!
RIP family but you can always make a new one eh
That's what they want you to think so they can appear more "Aryan"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)
I didn't say it didn't happen, just that it's a lot more uncommon than what Argentinians want you to think
A little weird that they'd look at Nazis and their descendants as something to aspire to. People are a mystery.
If you think that's crazy you haven't met enough Argentinians
Given what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like I've met exactly as many Argentinians as I want to.
"Mexicans came from the indian people, Brazilians came from the jungle, but we, the Argentinians came from the boats, and were boats that came from there, Europe. And that's how we built our society."
For more context, he said that quoting a singer (i think an argentinian one) 💀