Tensor G3 chip for AI & machine learning performed locally on device
I just want to change my battery and get a phone for that no people had to die In some poor country.
Like seriously, what's the percentage of people that run machine learning algorithms on their phone? 0.0000000001%?
Like seriously, what’s the percentage of people that run machine learning algorithms on their phone? 0.0000000001%?
It’s 100%. You use them on your phone all day every day. Your keyboard used machine learning algorithms as you typed your comment to dynamically adjust the size of the tap target of your likely next character and for autocorrect.
Every single photo taken on a phone is run through a huge amount of ML to create it.
All of this is to say, however, that this headline is ridiculous. Aside from Material UI, this is basically a description of every iPhone from the last half decade (with a dedicated “neural engine”). Not really a change in the smartphone world.
Definitely a little bit of hyperbole with that headline. I think I have to use the exact headline the article uses though.
I miss removable batteries so much. I was so disappointed that project aria never went anywhere
I need a new phone soon, can't really wait until the EU regulations force companies to build them with removable batteries. I need to look more into Fairphone, hope that's decent. Last review I read made me concerned about battery life, I really don't like charging my phone every day either. Or having to carry a power bank with me.
I don't think there's anything on the market that comes even close to the modularity aria had promised. Moto z had some mods but they dropped that very quickly unfortunately.
My fairphone4 has been really good so far. If battery power is an issue you could just bring one spare but I haven't needed to do that yet
Bringing a spare is a good point. Less of a hassle than a power bank (although still not ideal).
Battery life is pretty much the only thing I care about aside from longevity. Fairphone has longevity covered, maybe the review I read just made the battery life seem mich worse than it actually is. I'll have to look into it some more, thanks
I have to do the power bank thing from time to time and it's definitely suboptimal. I think I can easily make it to the 9a though or maybe the 8a after some piece cuts. I used to play the "what's the new hotness" game and it's nice not being that gullible with my money anymore.
Yeah, for me it always helped to think about what I was actually doing with my phone and I quickly realized that I really have not mich use for the most expensive phones. A camera like I'd get on the new iPhone for example would be nice but that alone isn't worth paying almost 1k more. And aside from camera I don't think there's much difference for the average user when you compare a high end and a low to mid-range phone.
I agree $1k for a phone seems crazy but if people are willing to spend it, who am I to judge? It is kind of great that midrange phones have become so good.
I was so hyped for project aria back then... It was so sad that it was discontinued.
It was such a cool concept. I really don't care about how thin my phone is. I'd much rather be able to replace a broken screen easily. I'd love to be able to upgrade my camera or take the camera out and put a little more battery in it. I really hope they revisit the concept someday.
It would be the solution to phone obsolescence. This concept, paired with project treble would allow us to run our phones for as long as possible. Want a screen with more pixels? Just install one. Phone getting behind on specs?Change the cpu or add ram. Want a better camera? Just get a new one. At some point, the chassis would need to be replaced, but even then, you could reuse some of your installed conponents. It would be so awesome.
Many actions on modern phones use AI. Text to speech and image processing just to name two. I am very excited to not have that information being constantly sent to the cloud for processing.
It's my understanding that the Pixel camera hardware isn't that spectacular but boy-oh-boy the processed photos look spectacular.
So pissed the new fairphone dropped the headphone jack.
US doesn't even get a faiphone...
Neither does my country...but transhippers exist
That doesn't work. The radio bands necessary to use cell phones and data in the US aren't all in the fairphone. You can't make it work right in the US, even if you have one.
What rubbish. It is exactly the same as every other smartphone on the planet. Updates are only new software and even then you could flash a new rom.
Click bait bullshit
My big issue with the line has been no microSD slot. I won't buy a phone with locked memory capacity.
Same!
I also demand justice for the headphone jack!
I'm holding onto my 4a5g because I really really don't want to give up my headphone jack
No love for removable batteries?
That too.
But it definetly comes after the MicroSD and the headphone jack.
Reposting their "Circle" ad for the Pixel 5a 5G because it was just brilliant:
Too bad Google also later pulled the plug and abandoned the audio jack starting from the Pixel 6 series.
Can't see the image :'(
Oh that might be your Lemmy app then. It's a compressed mp4 that I had uploaded to a Pixelfed instance, here's the original Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJZuSVl5wjM
I feel like phones provide enough disc space nowadays. I was never a huge fan of microSD slots to begin with. They're slower than internal storage and I've had one fail before and everything on it was lost. I had to factory reset the phone to get the slot working again. There might have been a better solution but I couldn't figure one out.
I have enough media to fill my phone about 4x over. I'd be lost without the expansion.
And no... "buh, buh, cloud storage!" is useless if you're not connected.
Everyone has different needs. I just don't have any need for a microSD slot anymore and you seem to.
Do you record a lot of videos?
No, I have a bunch of media.
Is this year's Tensor an actual in-house chip or just another rebranded shitty Exynos?
Hats off to Samsung tho, kneecapping the competition 😂
this article says that it's based on its Exynos 2400. Good call
I’m being a non-article-reading heathen here but of those three bullets I don’t think any is new to the smartphone industry - albeit Apple is cagey with support timelines (and probably slows down on what’s fixed versus the current iOS version) but the 5s technically got a iOS 12 patch this year.
If a seven year update cycle becomes the norm for Android phones that would be revolutionary in my opinion. I have my doubts though.
All that is worthless when the phone will be released without battery.
Sure.
Do the 7y updates also apply to the non-pro versions?
The only thing that i want from Google right now is that they release Android 14.
Meanwhile, I want them to stop releasing shit. IMO Android peaked already, and it seems like every update over the last 5 years has made things slightly worse.
Have they made improvements? Yes, but each improvement has come bundled with several UI regressions.
Yeah, and to be honest, the only reason i look up to Android 14 is because of the AV1 codec hardware acceleration requirement.
There were some major last minute bugs so they're releasing it in October with the phone this time.
If it doesn't have a physical keyboard it's won't change shit
none of those features are current or future requirements of mine. i want user-expandable memory, and useful expansion IO like the headphone jack, microsd and USBc.
there is not a single 'feature' introduced in the last decade that i care about.
Updates, user interface, and local neural network. You’ve described the iPhone.
I don't agree with that assessment
Those are facts. Having a quality phone will not change the world forever.
I just want to change my battery and get a phone for that no people had to die In some poor country.
Like seriously, what's the percentage of people that run machine learning algorithms on their phone? 0.0000000001%?
It’s 100%. You use them on your phone all day every day. Your keyboard used machine learning algorithms as you typed your comment to dynamically adjust the size of the tap target of your likely next character and for autocorrect.
Every single photo taken on a phone is run through a huge amount of ML to create it.
All of this is to say, however, that this headline is ridiculous. Aside from Material UI, this is basically a description of every iPhone from the last half decade (with a dedicated “neural engine”). Not really a change in the smartphone world.
Definitely a little bit of hyperbole with that headline. I think I have to use the exact headline the article uses though.
I miss removable batteries so much. I was so disappointed that project aria never went anywhere
I need a new phone soon, can't really wait until the EU regulations force companies to build them with removable batteries. I need to look more into Fairphone, hope that's decent. Last review I read made me concerned about battery life, I really don't like charging my phone every day either. Or having to carry a power bank with me.
I don't think there's anything on the market that comes even close to the modularity aria had promised. Moto z had some mods but they dropped that very quickly unfortunately.
My fairphone4 has been really good so far. If battery power is an issue you could just bring one spare but I haven't needed to do that yet
Bringing a spare is a good point. Less of a hassle than a power bank (although still not ideal). Battery life is pretty much the only thing I care about aside from longevity. Fairphone has longevity covered, maybe the review I read just made the battery life seem mich worse than it actually is. I'll have to look into it some more, thanks
I have to do the power bank thing from time to time and it's definitely suboptimal. I think I can easily make it to the 9a though or maybe the 8a after some piece cuts. I used to play the "what's the new hotness" game and it's nice not being that gullible with my money anymore.
Yeah, for me it always helped to think about what I was actually doing with my phone and I quickly realized that I really have not mich use for the most expensive phones. A camera like I'd get on the new iPhone for example would be nice but that alone isn't worth paying almost 1k more. And aside from camera I don't think there's much difference for the average user when you compare a high end and a low to mid-range phone.
I agree $1k for a phone seems crazy but if people are willing to spend it, who am I to judge? It is kind of great that midrange phones have become so good.
I was so hyped for project aria back then... It was so sad that it was discontinued.
It was such a cool concept. I really don't care about how thin my phone is. I'd much rather be able to replace a broken screen easily. I'd love to be able to upgrade my camera or take the camera out and put a little more battery in it. I really hope they revisit the concept someday.
It would be the solution to phone obsolescence. This concept, paired with project treble would allow us to run our phones for as long as possible. Want a screen with more pixels? Just install one. Phone getting behind on specs?Change the cpu or add ram. Want a better camera? Just get a new one. At some point, the chassis would need to be replaced, but even then, you could reuse some of your installed conponents. It would be so awesome.
Fairphone
Many actions on modern phones use AI. Text to speech and image processing just to name two. I am very excited to not have that information being constantly sent to the cloud for processing.
It's my understanding that the Pixel camera hardware isn't that spectacular but boy-oh-boy the processed photos look spectacular.
Headphone jack? Sd slot? Replacable batt?
So pissed the new fairphone dropped the headphone jack.
US doesn't even get a faiphone...
Neither does my country...but transhippers exist
That doesn't work. The radio bands necessary to use cell phones and data in the US aren't all in the fairphone. You can't make it work right in the US, even if you have one.
Welcome to dongle life!
What rubbish. It is exactly the same as every other smartphone on the planet. Updates are only new software and even then you could flash a new rom.
Click bait bullshit
My big issue with the line has been no microSD slot. I won't buy a phone with locked memory capacity.
Same!
I also demand justice for the headphone jack!
I'm holding onto my 4a5g because I really really don't want to give up my headphone jack
No love for removable batteries?
That too.
But it definetly comes after the MicroSD and the headphone jack.
Reposting their "Circle" ad for the Pixel 5a 5G because it was just brilliant:
Too bad Google also later pulled the plug and abandoned the audio jack starting from the Pixel 6 series.
Can't see the image :'(
Oh that might be your Lemmy app then. It's a compressed mp4 that I had uploaded to a Pixelfed instance, here's the original Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJZuSVl5wjM
Yep, i use Jerboa 😅
And thanks for sharing the link 😁👍
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJZuSVl5wjM
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I feel like phones provide enough disc space nowadays. I was never a huge fan of microSD slots to begin with. They're slower than internal storage and I've had one fail before and everything on it was lost. I had to factory reset the phone to get the slot working again. There might have been a better solution but I couldn't figure one out.
I have enough media to fill my phone about 4x over. I'd be lost without the expansion.
And no... "buh, buh, cloud storage!" is useless if you're not connected.
Everyone has different needs. I just don't have any need for a microSD slot anymore and you seem to.
Do you record a lot of videos?
No, I have a bunch of media.
Is this year's Tensor an actual in-house chip or just another rebranded shitty Exynos?
Hats off to Samsung tho, kneecapping the competition 😂
this article says that it's based on its Exynos 2400. Good call
I’m being a non-article-reading heathen here but of those three bullets I don’t think any is new to the smartphone industry - albeit Apple is cagey with support timelines (and probably slows down on what’s fixed versus the current iOS version) but the 5s technically got a iOS 12 patch this year.
If a seven year update cycle becomes the norm for Android phones that would be revolutionary in my opinion. I have my doubts though.
All that is worthless when the phone will be released without battery.
Sure.
Do the 7y updates also apply to the non-pro versions?
The only thing that i want from Google right now is that they release Android 14.
Meanwhile, I want them to stop releasing shit. IMO Android peaked already, and it seems like every update over the last 5 years has made things slightly worse.
Have they made improvements? Yes, but each improvement has come bundled with several UI regressions.
Yeah, and to be honest, the only reason i look up to Android 14 is because of the AV1 codec hardware acceleration requirement.
There were some major last minute bugs so they're releasing it in October with the phone this time.
If it doesn't have a physical keyboard it's won't change shit
none of those features are current or future requirements of mine. i want user-expandable memory, and useful expansion IO like the headphone jack, microsd and USBc.
there is not a single 'feature' introduced in the last decade that i care about.
Updates, user interface, and local neural network. You’ve described the iPhone.
I don't agree with that assessment
Those are facts. Having a quality phone will not change the world forever.
Yeah the title is very hyperbolic