Solidarity with the oppressor is a strange stance to take.
He's doing it for his country, it's realpolitik.
realpolitik
My god. It seems no one understands the word. ("Political capital" is another one people miss.)
Ukraine needs Western support and arms -> Israel gets Western support and arms -> you see where I'm going with this.
Zelensky would be a fool to do anything differently. His personal opinions, nor ours, have no play here.
Yeah. realistically Isreal could offer Ukraine a lot more in help than Palestine. The sad reality, gotta kneel before the rich and kinda ignore what they do the poor if you want something. And Zelensky certainly wants some things.
Guess Iran shouldn't have gotten itself involved on Russia's side of the Ukraine war.
The fuck do they need to 'show' solidarity for? Just say you stand with Israel and move on.
All the money spent coordinating that visit could be better spent fighting the war in Ukraine.
Political play, Israel hasn't went all in on Ukraine. This could be part of an agreement for weapon share, experience share, intel share, etc etc. Diplomacy is a fucked up thing.
That's actually interesting. It could be beneficial if it resulted in greater support for Ukraine from Israel.
I'm mostly focusing on Israel supporting Ukraine because Ukraine has far fewer resources and a way greater enemy to face.
I mean Zelensky internationally is very popular. It draws attention, Currys sympathy and overall legitimizes the war declaration more. On top of thar the most experiences soldiers in the world are Ukrainians and or Russians at the moment. The Russians have been siding with Iran, so Israel probably a tad pissed. If Ukraine sends 10 instructors maybe Israel sends 10 AA missle launchers with rounds to Ukraine.
Isreal soldiers have been doing a fair amount of fighting over the years too, including the last decade. Maybe each soldier on average isn't the hardened vet the average Ukranian soldier is now, but the amount of instituional knowledge IDF has is not to be sneered at.
It definitely is a political play, like you said. More support from Israel for Ukraine, and maybe less support to Russia. I believe Israel is maintaining some nominal relation to Russia due to their histories.
Oh for sure don't get me wrong Israelis defiantly are top notch fighters and have experience. That being said the last full scale war they had against the Arab league didn't have drones. Which Ukraine and Russia are tbe only two armies getting real practice and experience.
All the money spent coordinating that visit could be better spent fighting the war in Ukraine.
...you do realize that the ONLY reason the money coming in to Ukraine at the pace it is is because he said exactly the right things on the world stage at the right time in such a charismatic way that people believed in him enough that fundraising basically started flowing in?
His diplomatic/networking/fundraising acumen is WHY the money is flowing in, ya doofus.
Why the hell wouldn't he be furiously trying to arrange in-person meetings where he can use his personal social skills to forge diplomatic ties?
So, you're saying that him going to visit Israel in person will result in more aid to Ukraine, enough to outweigh the costs of facilitating such a visit?
You could be right. You could be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think that Ukraine would receive the same amount of aid regardless of if Zelensky goes to Israel in person.
Talk is cheap. Action isn’t.
What is the action?
Going there in person? How does that change things?
Heck, they could just send the money they would spend coordinating the visit to Israel to have a greater impact. But they have their own war to fight, so.
It shows sincerity. This is how humans have made peace treaties and showed their real support for millennia.
Well dont forget; Ukraine is led by Nazis. How do you think Putin would try and twist this information?
What a shitty article to paint this as a fully cynical political action. Outside of Isreal and Ukraine facing the same enemy its important to remember that the vast majority of jews in the USSR were in the Ukrainian SSR and now have ties to modern day Ukraine. It'd be nice for Axios to at least mention that there is a cultural link between Isreal and Ukraine.
but then no one will click at their articles.
the vast majority of jews in the USSR were in the Ukrainian SSR and now have ties to modern day Ukraine.
You think there were a lot of Jews in Ukraine because there were anti-Semitic nationalists in Ukraine?
Nope those were the reason there were so few Jews left in Ukraine. Still the most of all the USSR's republics, though. Not entirely surprising Ukraine has been habitually multiethnic since pretty much forever and it's not exactly far from Jerusalem.
It's also important to remember that Ukraine was an incredibly good area to farm, had easy trade connections and was outside the control of catholic nations - so it was an attractive destination for refugees of all kinds.... that changed drastically when Tsarist Russia forced conformity (aka effectively a genocide) in the 1860s but before that point that area looked quite ethnicly diverse with an especially large Kazakh population.
Solidarity with the oppressor is a strange stance to take.
He's doing it for his country, it's realpolitik.
My god. It seems no one understands the word. ("Political capital" is another one people miss.)
Ukraine needs Western support and arms -> Israel gets Western support and arms -> you see where I'm going with this.
Zelensky would be a fool to do anything differently. His personal opinions, nor ours, have no play here.
Yeah. realistically Isreal could offer Ukraine a lot more in help than Palestine. The sad reality, gotta kneel before the rich and kinda ignore what they do the poor if you want something. And Zelensky certainly wants some things.
Guess Iran shouldn't have gotten itself involved on Russia's side of the Ukraine war.
The fuck do they need to 'show' solidarity for? Just say you stand with Israel and move on.
All the money spent coordinating that visit could be better spent fighting the war in Ukraine.
Political play, Israel hasn't went all in on Ukraine. This could be part of an agreement for weapon share, experience share, intel share, etc etc. Diplomacy is a fucked up thing.
That's actually interesting. It could be beneficial if it resulted in greater support for Ukraine from Israel.
I'm mostly focusing on Israel supporting Ukraine because Ukraine has far fewer resources and a way greater enemy to face.
I mean Zelensky internationally is very popular. It draws attention, Currys sympathy and overall legitimizes the war declaration more. On top of thar the most experiences soldiers in the world are Ukrainians and or Russians at the moment. The Russians have been siding with Iran, so Israel probably a tad pissed. If Ukraine sends 10 instructors maybe Israel sends 10 AA missle launchers with rounds to Ukraine.
Isreal soldiers have been doing a fair amount of fighting over the years too, including the last decade. Maybe each soldier on average isn't the hardened vet the average Ukranian soldier is now, but the amount of instituional knowledge IDF has is not to be sneered at.
It definitely is a political play, like you said. More support from Israel for Ukraine, and maybe less support to Russia. I believe Israel is maintaining some nominal relation to Russia due to their histories.
Oh for sure don't get me wrong Israelis defiantly are top notch fighters and have experience. That being said the last full scale war they had against the Arab league didn't have drones. Which Ukraine and Russia are tbe only two armies getting real practice and experience.
...you do realize that the ONLY reason the money coming in to Ukraine at the pace it is is because he said exactly the right things on the world stage at the right time in such a charismatic way that people believed in him enough that fundraising basically started flowing in?
His diplomatic/networking/fundraising acumen is WHY the money is flowing in, ya doofus.
Why the hell wouldn't he be furiously trying to arrange in-person meetings where he can use his personal social skills to forge diplomatic ties?
So, you're saying that him going to visit Israel in person will result in more aid to Ukraine, enough to outweigh the costs of facilitating such a visit?
You could be right. You could be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think that Ukraine would receive the same amount of aid regardless of if Zelensky goes to Israel in person.
Talk is cheap. Action isn’t.
What is the action?
Going there in person? How does that change things?
Heck, they could just send the money they would spend coordinating the visit to Israel to have a greater impact. But they have their own war to fight, so.
It shows sincerity. This is how humans have made peace treaties and showed their real support for millennia.
Well dont forget; Ukraine is led by Nazis. How do you think Putin would try and twist this information?
What a shitty article to paint this as a fully cynical political action. Outside of Isreal and Ukraine facing the same enemy its important to remember that the vast majority of jews in the USSR were in the Ukrainian SSR and now have ties to modern day Ukraine. It'd be nice for Axios to at least mention that there is a cultural link between Isreal and Ukraine.
but then no one will click at their articles.
I wonder how that happened 🤔
You think there were a lot of Jews in Ukraine because there were anti-Semitic nationalists in Ukraine?
Nope those were the reason there were so few Jews left in Ukraine. Still the most of all the USSR's republics, though. Not entirely surprising Ukraine has been habitually multiethnic since pretty much forever and it's not exactly far from Jerusalem.
It's also important to remember that Ukraine was an incredibly good area to farm, had easy trade connections and was outside the control of catholic nations - so it was an attractive destination for refugees of all kinds.... that changed drastically when Tsarist Russia forced conformity (aka effectively a genocide) in the 1860s but before that point that area looked quite ethnicly diverse with an especially large Kazakh population.