ok, hamas is hidden there. now, people in the hospital, what... what israel govt wants these people to do? to hunt hamas members out of the building? what does Netanyahu want from hospitalized people and their relatives? what does he want?
They want the land. All of it, minus its inhabitants.
yes I'm highlighting exactly this
He wants to kill them.
Hey everyone, this is an anti-bombing-hospitals message. Stop downvoting it if you don't agree with bombing hospitals. Reading comprehension seems to be failing...
someone pointed out my bad English, though i think I'm not able to understand how I could express the same concept with better wording.
in any case, I agree that in general reading comprehension is at an all time low.
about downvotes, i take into account also multiple profiles. lemmy is "the new platform", and I think I've met different profiles saying all the same thing with the same style.
Say first, "Hypothetical, if..."
I thought it would sound like
ok bibi, hamas is in there
you know, it's done to get on the same plane as the other person, like, ok I accept your premise
Are you saying Israel is justified in killing civilians because some Hamas may be among them?
What exactly is an appropriate civilian:militant death ratio in your mind?
Unless it's edited, that seems to be the exact opposite of what they are saying. They even clarify using the same poor English.
hey now, poor English! diversely rich is appropriater, I'd say
He’s pretending that Israel has no other options.
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension if this is hard for you to understand.
Absolutely not what they're saying. They are clearly making the point that the non-Hamas people who are having to use the hospital have no real alternatives (such as hunting down Hamas members) and shouldn't suffer the consequences of Hamas choosing to be there.
good God, thank you. was really that hard, or badly written? someone pointed out my poor English. maybe some people can't simply admit they're wrong and so double down? I don't know
It wasn't that hard. Some people just can't think properly. You have write everything to make sure that stupid people understand without error because they are the masses with the power of expression unexplained.
And some of like to shit in their mouth without caring for things like votes.
The UN believes it to be around 9:1
read my comment again, using your voice, and listen to it
Edit
then ask to yourself: has this kind of question ever been asked to any member of israel govt by journalists or other govts around the world?
It's okay, I have my answer.
Your answer is "any death ratio is appropriate, but I know admitting it will make Israel look bad so I'm not going to say it."
I believe that’s again the opposite of what that person is saying.
Somewhere between 40k-50k civilians taking shelter with Hamas preventing them from fleeing, and Israeli forces who believe there are Hamas and tunnels underneath the hospitals.
There are already reports of Hamas shooting at Gazan civilians trying to flee the hospitals. I wouldn't put it past Hamas to just try to up the body count intentionally.
can you link me to the sources about hamas preventing people from leaving the hospital?
I will keep my opinions to myself but i would say that it should be taken with a grain of salt unless verified by unbiased new agencies.
There are plenty of reports floating around on Telegram, but they are all unconfirmed and half are probably fake like most Telegram bullshit.
The only video I know of that is confirmed is this one from Al-Nusr/Rantisi.
That video was the IDF. Hamas don't have tanks. Hence the white flag waving.
Israeli forces who believe there are Hamas and tunnels underneath the hospitals.
They say that, but by now people are unsure that's the real reason they're attacking hospitals.
What do you think the real reason is?
To kill Palestinians and render Gaza unlivable.
So you believe they are using the hospitals as a cover story to kill all the people sheltering there?
I believe that if Israel wanted to get rid of Hamas and rescue the hostages they would have done it with minimal casualties. They're using the Hamas are hiding amongst the people with western governments and media to make as an excuse. When they have very vocally stated their genocidal intent.
It's incredibly dubious when they bomb literally everything. Were Hamas hiding in small fishing boats, in an equestrian center, in an olive grove, in bakeries, in UN schools? They've displaced 1.6 million people and according to Euro-Med human rights organisation killed 14,000 people.
And what about the Occupied West Bank are Hamas hiding there too?
None of this is legal or morally justifiable. It's bunch of supremacist colonial settlers ethnically cleansing the land. An Israeli minister said today that Beirut is next. Bunch of racist fascists
It's a silver lining that Israelis have committed genocide to ONLY 11k? That's gross. The UN don't count those missing under the rubble, Euro-Med do.
I don't know man, bombing hospitals filed with civilians isn't really a good look as a nation.
As of right now, nobody in a position of power is holding them accountable, and sadly, I doubt anyone will.
"They" as in Isreal, no. "they" as in Kahanites, yes. Remember von Papen is currently Prime Minister, luckily they'll be running against a wall next elections no matter what.
Who said what ?
The US investigated their friend and everything is in order.
nobody is no longer able to understand sarcasm. upvoted
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Read the title
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The largest hospital in Gaza, where up to 50,000 people are sheltering, is facing bombardment, the World Health Organization has said, as the US’s top diplomat said “far too many Palestinians have been killed” in the war.
The bombardment came as the territory’s precarious health system struggled to cope with thousands of people wounded or displaced in Israel’s war against Hamas militants.
Graphic daytime videos posted online appeared to show screaming and bloodied people, including children, in the grounds of al-Shifa hospital in the heart of Gaza City.
The Palestinian Red Cross said Israeli snipers shot at al-Quds hospital, to the south of Gaza City, and that there were violent clashes, with one person killed and 28 wounded, most of them children.
An examination of IDF operational systems indicates that a misfired projectile launched by terrorist organisations inside the Gaza Strip hit the Shifa hospital.
“With ongoing strikes and fighting nearby [Shifa], we are gravely concerned about the wellbeing of thousands of civilians there, many children among them, seeking medical care and shelter,” Human Rights Watch said online.
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Meh old news. Let's talk about the real issues like the rise in antisemitism.
Friendly reminder that antizionism isn’t antisemitism.
I know. It was satire
Yes. Removing the ability to self defense of the jewish people is not anti semitism. It’s similar to saying that wanting to make someone weak and easy to abuse is not the same as actually wanting to do those things.
First and foremost, Israel doesn't represent "the jewish people" as a whole.
Secondly, bombing children to starving out millions isn't self-defence in any part of the world, except maybe in the US.
If there are terrorists in the hospital, send soldiers to the hospital itself and target them specifically, rather than flat out bombing the whole thing. Of course, I know you don't care about this option because the lives of 100 innocent Palestinian civilians aren't worth that of 1 Israeli soldier to you.
That is what any other sane country would do on their own. But with 2/3 of the population supporting the regime they don’t resist and instead support them. If another country has to step in then that country has a moral duty to protect the lives of its citizens.
Targeting hospitals has a specific end goal.
ok, hamas is hidden there. now, people in the hospital, what... what israel govt wants these people to do? to hunt hamas members out of the building? what does Netanyahu want from hospitalized people and their relatives? what does he want?
They want the land. All of it, minus its inhabitants.
yes I'm highlighting exactly this
He wants to kill them.
Hey everyone, this is an anti-bombing-hospitals message. Stop downvoting it if you don't agree with bombing hospitals. Reading comprehension seems to be failing...
someone pointed out my bad English, though i think I'm not able to understand how I could express the same concept with better wording.
in any case, I agree that in general reading comprehension is at an all time low.
about downvotes, i take into account also multiple profiles. lemmy is "the new platform", and I think I've met different profiles saying all the same thing with the same style.
Say first, "Hypothetical, if..."
I thought it would sound like
ok bibi, hamas is in there
you know, it's done to get on the same plane as the other person, like, ok I accept your premise
Are you saying Israel is justified in killing civilians because some Hamas may be among them?
What exactly is an appropriate civilian:militant death ratio in your mind?
Unless it's edited, that seems to be the exact opposite of what they are saying. They even clarify using the same poor English.
hey now, poor English! diversely rich is appropriater, I'd say
He’s pretending that Israel has no other options.
Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension if this is hard for you to understand.
Absolutely not what they're saying. They are clearly making the point that the non-Hamas people who are having to use the hospital have no real alternatives (such as hunting down Hamas members) and shouldn't suffer the consequences of Hamas choosing to be there.
good God, thank you. was really that hard, or badly written? someone pointed out my poor English. maybe some people can't simply admit they're wrong and so double down? I don't know
It wasn't that hard. Some people just can't think properly. You have write everything to make sure that stupid people understand without error because they are the masses with the power of expression unexplained.
And some of like to shit in their mouth without caring for things like votes.
The UN believes it to be around 9:1
read my comment again, using your voice, and listen to it
Edit then ask to yourself: has this kind of question ever been asked to any member of israel govt by journalists or other govts around the world?
It's okay, I have my answer.
Your answer is "any death ratio is appropriate, but I know admitting it will make Israel look bad so I'm not going to say it."
I believe that’s again the opposite of what that person is saying.
Correct.
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See? Stupid fucking people.
The hospitals will be a bloodbath.
Somewhere between 40k-50k civilians taking shelter with Hamas preventing them from fleeing, and Israeli forces who believe there are Hamas and tunnels underneath the hospitals.
There are already reports of Hamas shooting at Gazan civilians trying to flee the hospitals. I wouldn't put it past Hamas to just try to up the body count intentionally.
can you link me to the sources about hamas preventing people from leaving the hospital?
from what i see the source, Netenyahu.
I will keep my opinions to myself but i would say that it should be taken with a grain of salt unless verified by unbiased new agencies.
There are plenty of reports floating around on Telegram, but they are all unconfirmed and half are probably fake like most Telegram bullshit.
The only video I know of that is confirmed is this one from Al-Nusr/Rantisi.
That video was the IDF. Hamas don't have tanks. Hence the white flag waving.
They say that, but by now people are unsure that's the real reason they're attacking hospitals.
What do you think the real reason is?
To kill Palestinians and render Gaza unlivable.
So you believe they are using the hospitals as a cover story to kill all the people sheltering there?
I believe that if Israel wanted to get rid of Hamas and rescue the hostages they would have done it with minimal casualties. They're using the Hamas are hiding amongst the people with western governments and media to make as an excuse. When they have very vocally stated their genocidal intent.
It's incredibly dubious when they bomb literally everything. Were Hamas hiding in small fishing boats, in an equestrian center, in an olive grove, in bakeries, in UN schools? They've displaced 1.6 million people and according to Euro-Med human rights organisation killed 14,000 people.
And what about the Occupied West Bank are Hamas hiding there too?
None of this is legal or morally justifiable. It's bunch of supremacist colonial settlers ethnically cleansing the land. An Israeli minister said today that Beirut is next. Bunch of racist fascists
Jesus fuck dude. That's dark.
Silver lining is that the UN are saying only 11k have died so far.
Also, there are plenty of Hamas members in the west bank..
Support for Hamas is the minority in Gaza.
It's a silver lining that Israelis have committed genocide to ONLY 11k? That's gross. The UN don't count those missing under the rubble, Euro-Med do.
I don't know man, bombing hospitals filed with civilians isn't really a good look as a nation.
As of right now, nobody in a position of power is holding them accountable, and sadly, I doubt anyone will.
"They" as in Isreal, no. "they" as in Kahanites, yes. Remember von Papen is currently Prime Minister, luckily they'll be running against a wall next elections no matter what.
Who said what ?
The US investigated their friend and everything is in order.
nobody is no longer able to understand sarcasm. upvoted
❤️
Read the title
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The largest hospital in Gaza, where up to 50,000 people are sheltering, is facing bombardment, the World Health Organization has said, as the US’s top diplomat said “far too many Palestinians have been killed” in the war.
The bombardment came as the territory’s precarious health system struggled to cope with thousands of people wounded or displaced in Israel’s war against Hamas militants.
Graphic daytime videos posted online appeared to show screaming and bloodied people, including children, in the grounds of al-Shifa hospital in the heart of Gaza City.
The Palestinian Red Cross said Israeli snipers shot at al-Quds hospital, to the south of Gaza City, and that there were violent clashes, with one person killed and 28 wounded, most of them children.
An examination of IDF operational systems indicates that a misfired projectile launched by terrorist organisations inside the Gaza Strip hit the Shifa hospital.
“With ongoing strikes and fighting nearby [Shifa], we are gravely concerned about the wellbeing of thousands of civilians there, many children among them, seeking medical care and shelter,” Human Rights Watch said online.
The original article contains 1,142 words, the summary contains 178 words. Saved 84%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Meh old news. Let's talk about the real issues like the rise in antisemitism.
Friendly reminder that antizionism isn’t antisemitism.
I know. It was satire
Yes. Removing the ability to self defense of the jewish people is not anti semitism. It’s similar to saying that wanting to make someone weak and easy to abuse is not the same as actually wanting to do those things.
First and foremost, Israel doesn't represent "the jewish people" as a whole.
Secondly, bombing children to starving out millions isn't self-defence in any part of the world, except maybe in the US.
If there are terrorists in the hospital, send soldiers to the hospital itself and target them specifically, rather than flat out bombing the whole thing. Of course, I know you don't care about this option because the lives of 100 innocent Palestinian civilians aren't worth that of 1 Israeli soldier to you.
That is what any other sane country would do on their own. But with 2/3 of the population supporting the regime they don’t resist and instead support them. If another country has to step in then that country has a moral duty to protect the lives of its citizens.