Makes sense, it was already open source, just attaching to the activitypub protocol is a straightforward move.
It's everywhere too. Blogs, webcomics, special interest forums, and they will all potentially become new fediverse instances virtually by default. It's pointing to a future where people join the fediverse without knowing what it is or seeking it out. They just want to join a forum to discuss their interests.
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It could be an issue if the admin isn't prepared for it. One of the good things about it is that the posts get cached wherever they're accessed so it may actually reduce server load for a popular post.
I guess if it is an issue the admins could always disable activitypub.
If they get cached then do edits never propagate to other servers?
No, edits propagate, they just get sent as updates, and it happens pretty quick I think.
But posts are about 1/100th of the traffic in forums in general, most people are just lurking. That's the traffic that slows down servers.
This is really cool, I wonder if it can have integration with the “threadiverse” such as with lemmy or kbin?
Eventually I imagine there will be adaptors for all the various types of post throughout the fediverse. I wonder if the differences will become largely superficial, with every activitypub system able to read all the others. It's just a matter of maturing the ecosystem.
Hopefully but that is a tough nut to crack especially if things weren’t designed to be that way originally.
I wonder how a strictly linear thread structure is possible to transpose into a branching structure like lemmy
We can already view mastodon threads that are linear inside Lemmy.
Yeah that is a good point, at the very least lemmy could display a traditional thread but yeah I have no idea about discourse displaying a lemmy thread.
Anyone have an example of how browsing/commenting works? Can we follow a forum’s section using lemmy or mastodon accounts? How do we comment on a discourse thread with mastodon or lemmy?
BlenderArtists forum uses discourse so that would be cool to browse/use with lemmy
This could be the new "redditor answers my question" place for me 🤯🎉
What do you get when you take a traditional forum, add vote based sorting so that the best post and comments (in theory) rise to the top to avoiding the issue of thread bumping, use a nested comment structure so that individual conversations in each thread can be easily followed, and allow anyone to make a subforum as they please?
You get reddit. (or now, Lemmy) The only thing missing in Lemmy is topic tags, which I think is a nice to have, but by no means necessary.
There is a reason why very few people uses forums and most of conversation nowadays takes place on social media, while reddit and Discord has but all but replaced them. So, replacing Discourse/Zenforo as the software to use for independent Internet forums should be the aim for Lemmy to significantly grow.
Strangely, Discourse's federation model seemed to be based on Mastodon compatibility instead of Lemmy-like Groups, which I think is a mistake.
I think you're missing the point of a forum like discourse, which is most definitely not a classic forum.
In no way is it similar to lemmy or Reddit when it comes to functionality or the problem space that it solves for. It's essentially stackoverflow, for niche communities, do you really think you could replace the utility of stackoverflow with.... Reddit?
It's specifically tailored to q&A, knowledge sharing/archiving, and as a living knowledge base. It does an excellent job of that, with copious features built specifically to enable and support that purpose. Which both lemmy and Reddit lack, they aren't even in the same problem space.
The platforms that actually utilize discourse effectively are some of the best to work on. Similar communities on social media platforms don't have anywhere near the level of quality, engagement, knowledge, or problem solving. Even simple features that encourage engagement in months or years old threads are massive boon.
It really is not much of a step to take your logic and replace lemmy or Reddit with Discord as a Q&A support and knowledge base platform. Which we all know is a terrible idea, and largely leads to a loss of knowledge and destroys discoverability.
Overall I get the feeling that you may not have experienced what makes that platform powerful? Which understandably can lead to thoughts that it's "just another forum", and that it is supplementable with a social media platform (which in the reality of it is laughably bad).
Check out https://forum.babylonjs.com/ for example. The framework is an absolute pain in the ass to onboard too but because their forum is just so damn good, it was a breeze compared to others.
Let me address some of your points:
a forum like discourse, which is most definitely not a classic forum.
Linear post structure, sorting based on latest response, so it is a traditional in vein of old BBS/phpBB systems.
Do you really think you could replace the utility of stackoverflow with… Reddit?
Upvote based sorting and nested comment structure means StackExchange/Overflow is closer to reddit than it is Discourse.
It really is not much of a step to take your logic and replace lemmy or Reddit with Discord as a Q&A support and knowledge base platform.
Reddit, Lemmy, and Discourse are all public forums, Discord is a chatroom.
Even simple features that encourage engagement in months or years old threads are massive boon.
Thread necromancy for month/year old dead threads has always been considered offenses to almost every single forum, which is why most forums lock posts after a month or so. It's not a feature, it's a fundamental flaw with the sorting.
with copious features built specifically to enable and support that purpose. Which both lemmy and Reddit lack
I'm genuinely curious, what are some of those features? I can't think of any significant one, outside of tags.
Forums are ultimately shaped by people, so I would say these forum succeeded in spite of the software instead of because of the software.
Discourse and Lemmy are both based around topics/communities so hopefully there will be better federation here. E.g. being able to follow a discourse topic from lemmy would be really cool.
Hopefully they have done this in a way where Lemmy can federate with then easily.
That's great! It's really annoying for me how I have to make an account on every single discourse forum, and every time I get the welcome mail and the first comment badge, and so on. Also, the emails from all of the forums are annoying. This seems to fix all of that.
thats cool ngl
eVeRYOnE defederate immediately! It will flood our community with new users and be awful!
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I guess it's not a bad thing but I feel like "forums" should be left in 1999 where they belong and these platforms should just switch to Lemmy.
Forums are where you can still find answers to the veeeerrrryyyyy niche questions you may have on just about anything. They have saved my ass so many times when trying to get things working on my pc or with my car.
And you can't find niche answers on forums like Lemmy?
Not always, no. And often the question I have has already been answered on those forums. So no need to even post to lemmy. Have you never had to troubleshoot something before or something?
Not always, no.
And you can "always" find them on forums?
And often the question I have has already been answered on those forums.
I'd say the same goes for a certain very popular Lemmy-like message board. Way moreso than any forum.
Have you never had to troubleshoot something before or something?
Oh good, we've reached the personal insults phase of the discussion, that was fast.
Forum users tend to prefer long-lasting discussions, which is not the case on Lemmy/Reddit, where threads are forgotten after a few days.
Heck--it was designed to be like that, even Reddit archivesa thread after 6 months right?
I will say that I find good advice on tech subreddits now and then, as good as or better than, say, support forums. That's off the divisive and rapid-change subjects that mostly characterise Reddit and Lemmy, of course.
Yeah that's exactly what sucks about them.
When you open up the front page, you're not shown what is the most interesting and recent topics, you're shown 12 year old thread that xxedgelord69 dug up and added a fuckin' poop emoji.
Makes sense, it was already open source, just attaching to the activitypub protocol is a straightforward move.
It's everywhere too. Blogs, webcomics, special interest forums, and they will all potentially become new fediverse instances virtually by default. It's pointing to a future where people join the fediverse without knowing what it is or seeking it out. They just want to join a forum to discuss their interests.
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It could be an issue if the admin isn't prepared for it. One of the good things about it is that the posts get cached wherever they're accessed so it may actually reduce server load for a popular post.
I guess if it is an issue the admins could always disable activitypub.
If they get cached then do edits never propagate to other servers?
No, edits propagate, they just get sent as updates, and it happens pretty quick I think.
But posts are about 1/100th of the traffic in forums in general, most people are just lurking. That's the traffic that slows down servers.
This is really cool, I wonder if it can have integration with the “threadiverse” such as with lemmy or kbin?
Eventually I imagine there will be adaptors for all the various types of post throughout the fediverse. I wonder if the differences will become largely superficial, with every activitypub system able to read all the others. It's just a matter of maturing the ecosystem.
Hopefully but that is a tough nut to crack especially if things weren’t designed to be that way originally.
I wonder how a strictly linear thread structure is possible to transpose into a branching structure like lemmy
We can already view mastodon threads that are linear inside Lemmy.
Yeah that is a good point, at the very least lemmy could display a traditional thread but yeah I have no idea about discourse displaying a lemmy thread.
Anyone have an example of how browsing/commenting works? Can we follow a forum’s section using lemmy or mastodon accounts? How do we comment on a discourse thread with mastodon or lemmy?
BlenderArtists forum uses discourse so that would be cool to browse/use with lemmy
The person who made the actual announcement attached a video of exactly that: https://meta.discourse.org/t/activitypub-plugin/266794/117
This could be the new "redditor answers my question" place for me 🤯🎉
What do you get when you take a traditional forum, add vote based sorting so that the best post and comments (in theory) rise to the top to avoiding the issue of thread bumping, use a nested comment structure so that individual conversations in each thread can be easily followed, and allow anyone to make a subforum as they please?
You get reddit. (or now, Lemmy) The only thing missing in Lemmy is topic tags, which I think is a nice to have, but by no means necessary.
There is a reason why very few people uses forums and most of conversation nowadays takes place on social media, while reddit and Discord has but all but replaced them. So, replacing Discourse/Zenforo as the software to use for independent Internet forums should be the aim for Lemmy to significantly grow.
Strangely, Discourse's federation model seemed to be based on Mastodon compatibility instead of Lemmy-like Groups, which I think is a mistake.
I think you're missing the point of a forum like discourse, which is most definitely not a classic forum.
In no way is it similar to lemmy or Reddit when it comes to functionality or the problem space that it solves for. It's essentially stackoverflow, for niche communities, do you really think you could replace the utility of stackoverflow with.... Reddit?
It's specifically tailored to q&A, knowledge sharing/archiving, and as a living knowledge base. It does an excellent job of that, with copious features built specifically to enable and support that purpose. Which both lemmy and Reddit lack, they aren't even in the same problem space.
The platforms that actually utilize discourse effectively are some of the best to work on. Similar communities on social media platforms don't have anywhere near the level of quality, engagement, knowledge, or problem solving. Even simple features that encourage engagement in months or years old threads are massive boon.
It really is not much of a step to take your logic and replace lemmy or Reddit with Discord as a Q&A support and knowledge base platform. Which we all know is a terrible idea, and largely leads to a loss of knowledge and destroys discoverability.
Overall I get the feeling that you may not have experienced what makes that platform powerful? Which understandably can lead to thoughts that it's "just another forum", and that it is supplementable with a social media platform (which in the reality of it is laughably bad).
Check out https://forum.babylonjs.com/ for example. The framework is an absolute pain in the ass to onboard too but because their forum is just so damn good, it was a breeze compared to others.
Let me address some of your points:
Linear post structure, sorting based on latest response, so it is a traditional in vein of old BBS/phpBB systems.
Upvote based sorting and nested comment structure means StackExchange/Overflow is closer to reddit than it is Discourse.
Reddit, Lemmy, and Discourse are all public forums, Discord is a chatroom.
Thread necromancy for month/year old dead threads has always been considered offenses to almost every single forum, which is why most forums lock posts after a month or so. It's not a feature, it's a fundamental flaw with the sorting.
I'm genuinely curious, what are some of those features? I can't think of any significant one, outside of tags.
Forums are ultimately shaped by people, so I would say these forum succeeded in spite of the software instead of because of the software.
Discourse and Lemmy are both based around topics/communities so hopefully there will be better federation here. E.g. being able to follow a discourse topic from lemmy would be really cool.
Hopefully they have done this in a way where Lemmy can federate with then easily.
That's great! It's really annoying for me how I have to make an account on every single discourse forum, and every time I get the welcome mail and the first comment badge, and so on. Also, the emails from all of the forums are annoying. This seems to fix all of that.
thats cool ngl
eVeRYOnE defederate immediately! It will flood our community with new users and be awful!
Spicy
I guess it's not a bad thing but I feel like "forums" should be left in 1999 where they belong and these platforms should just switch to Lemmy.
Forums are where you can still find answers to the veeeerrrryyyyy niche questions you may have on just about anything. They have saved my ass so many times when trying to get things working on my pc or with my car.
And you can't find niche answers on forums like Lemmy?
Not always, no. And often the question I have has already been answered on those forums. So no need to even post to lemmy. Have you never had to troubleshoot something before or something?
And you can "always" find them on forums?
I'd say the same goes for a certain very popular Lemmy-like message board. Way moreso than any forum.
Oh good, we've reached the personal insults phase of the discussion, that was fast.
Forum users tend to prefer long-lasting discussions, which is not the case on Lemmy/Reddit, where threads are forgotten after a few days.
Heck--it was designed to be like that, even Reddit archivesa thread after 6 months right?
I will say that I find good advice on tech subreddits now and then, as good as or better than, say, support forums. That's off the divisive and rapid-change subjects that mostly characterise Reddit and Lemmy, of course.
Yeah that's exactly what sucks about them.
When you open up the front page, you're not shown what is the most interesting and recent topics, you're shown 12 year old thread that xxedgelord69 dug up and added a fuckin' poop emoji.