Assuming the number is accurate, the fact that that's with Xboxes pretty readily available and PS requiring jumping through hoops for a solid year+ after launch, and the series S being sub 300 is really rough for Microsoft.
Though their naming being so confusing I have to double check after looking at a listing that it's actually "current gen" or not definitely doesn't help.
I have no idea on the name thing. What Microsoft are doing? Every one of their products just has a truly awful name now all of them are confusing.
See Microsoft Studio Code (an expensive and entirely average but workable program that is rarely used) vs MS Code (a truly excellent free program that has become industry standard) - Oh and both programs icons look basically identical and are slightly different shades of blue but otherwise have the same image.
Are you talking about Visual Studio Community/Professional/Enterprise and Visual Studio Code? Because if so, I don't really agree. Visual Studio is an IDE (VS Community is the free tier) whereas VS Code is a code editor (as the name implies).
Yes they're different products yet they have very similar names.
Your comment says "Microsoft Studio Code" and "MS Code", neither of which is a thing (as I tried to point out). The actual software you're talking about is "(MS) Visual Studio" and "(MS) Visual Studio Code", and that naming convention is pretty common for products (and other things) that are different but similar (think Photoshop and Photoshop Express, PSX and PS2, C and C++ etc.).
It's mind boggling. I know a lot of other tech has awful naming. But they at least have the excuse that they have a lot of products to name. 360 was dumb, one was dumber. One S/X was just weird. But Series S/X after that? Giant mess. Two S/X would have still been dumb, but at least people would know it was actually better.
What hoops??
It was an insanely long time before you could walk into a store and buy a PS5. You'd have to catch specific retailers right when they dropped a couple units online.
Eventually Sony let you sign up for a waiting list, and if you had a real history on their platform you'd get a shot in a reasonable amount of time to order within like a 12 hour window they gave you.
Xbox wasn't completely immune to that. But for a long time, if your goal was just "get a next gen console to play Madden or FIFA" (whatever multiplatform game had a mechanically better next gen version that people who mostly play one game would want), it was a lot easier to do that with Xbox.
It's pretty clear that that's mostly because PS was way more popular, but the audience I'm talking about might consider switching if it means they can play that one game now.
Since scalpers would buy out all the stores and stuff, many people such as myself initially turned to discord channels for tracking new shipments to different retailers. I would check it a few times a day, checking Best Buy branches' online inventories. Eventually Sony made a system where you could register with your PlayStation account for a slot ordering from the next available shipment.
I guess I got lucky then.
I woke up at around 4am, thought “I wonder if PS5 preorders are open yet”, went to amazon, see that preorders are indeed up, one-click purchase. Go back to sleep. Got it on launch day.
Somehow, Xbox really won me over this generation. I own the XSX and the PS5 disk versions, and one is collecting dust. I think it's the backwards compatibility for old disks that is just so alluring
Not really surprising, Microsoft has been going a lot harder on the PC and cloud front, so it makes sense that their audience is split between those and Xbox, meanwhile Sony exclusives are only available on PS5.
Been playing a lot of cloud gaming on my PC with a fiber connection. I'm just gonna build a new PC.
Considering what a disaster Sony's hardware has been, this honestly really sucks.
News to me, what's up with the hardware?
Edit: ITT: a dude so defiantly wrong he uses edits to imply he's the only person making any sense.
Since PS2, they've always major deficiencies.
The PS3 was underpowered, which limited the scope of some multi-platform games, and the controllers had this ridiculous design where the battery was connected by a ribbon cord held in place by foam that degrades, the PS4 controllers have major problems with drifting, and the PS5 has been nearly unattainable because of hardware component shortages that were notably specific to them.
Edit: ITT: Sony Stans who love the that New Vegas got cut down, that PS3 and PS4 controllers are paper mache, and that the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers like never before. And people wonder why gaming hardware keeps getting worse.
So because of issues with past systems and shortages due to pandemic supply chain problems almost every manufacturer had to negotiate, you think it's a bad thing they're outselling MS?
As someone who has both systems, I rarely use the X Box, unless it's a game exclusive to it. Sony's controllers are far better IMO, and it's a better media center too, which to be honest is what I use it for the majority of the time.
That a real funny way of saying "long and continuing history of subpar hardware."
It's not like I'm talking about "Oopsy woopsy Walmart didn't have a PS5," I'm talking about continuous, shoddy, overpriced hardware. Users shouldn't have to question whether their $70 purchase will last the month.
This has been a trend for every console they put out since the PS2.
PS3? Less powerful and more expensive with poorly made controllers.
PS4? Power's fine, but controllers are way more expensive and even worse than before.
PS5? Fine on power, but still more expensive, and with supply chain issues that far exceeded anything faced by Microsoft or Nintendo, placing the issue most likely based in their, say it with me, hardware design.
Edit: ITT: Sony Stans who love the that New Vegas got cut down, that PS3 and PS4 controllers are paper mache, and that the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers like never before. And people wonder why gaming hardware keeps getting worse.
I'm hardly a Sony Stan, but you can call me one if it makes you feel better when I say... I have no idea what you're talking about.
hardware component shortages that were notably specific
What was specific to the PS5 that wasn't shared by the XSX? The specs of are almost identical. Same AMD processor, same generation and architecture, same amount and type of memory. Any supply chain woes that affected one almost certainly affected the other.
It is well documented that the PS3's weakness was the complexity of it's design not necessarily how powerful it was.
the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers
This is such a confusing statement, it's Not Even Wrong. You make it sound like Sony built scalpability into the PS5. You're angry at the inanimate object? Not what the awful people did with it? People scalped the PS5 because it was in higher demand, not because it was made of gold.
Assuming the number is accurate, the fact that that's with Xboxes pretty readily available and PS requiring jumping through hoops for a solid year+ after launch, and the series S being sub 300 is really rough for Microsoft.
Though their naming being so confusing I have to double check after looking at a listing that it's actually "current gen" or not definitely doesn't help.
I have no idea on the name thing. What Microsoft are doing? Every one of their products just has a truly awful name now all of them are confusing.
See Microsoft Studio Code (an expensive and entirely average but workable program that is rarely used) vs MS Code (a truly excellent free program that has become industry standard) - Oh and both programs icons look basically identical and are slightly different shades of blue but otherwise have the same image.
Are you talking about Visual Studio Community/Professional/Enterprise and Visual Studio Code? Because if so, I don't really agree. Visual Studio is an IDE (VS Community is the free tier) whereas VS Code is a code editor (as the name implies).
Yes they're different products yet they have very similar names.
Your comment says "Microsoft Studio Code" and "MS Code", neither of which is a thing (as I tried to point out). The actual software you're talking about is "(MS) Visual Studio" and "(MS) Visual Studio Code", and that naming convention is pretty common for products (and other things) that are different but similar (think Photoshop and Photoshop Express, PSX and PS2, C and C++ etc.).
It's mind boggling. I know a lot of other tech has awful naming. But they at least have the excuse that they have a lot of products to name. 360 was dumb, one was dumber. One S/X was just weird. But Series S/X after that? Giant mess. Two S/X would have still been dumb, but at least people would know it was actually better.
What hoops??
It was an insanely long time before you could walk into a store and buy a PS5. You'd have to catch specific retailers right when they dropped a couple units online.
Eventually Sony let you sign up for a waiting list, and if you had a real history on their platform you'd get a shot in a reasonable amount of time to order within like a 12 hour window they gave you.
Xbox wasn't completely immune to that. But for a long time, if your goal was just "get a next gen console to play Madden or FIFA" (whatever multiplatform game had a mechanically better next gen version that people who mostly play one game would want), it was a lot easier to do that with Xbox.
It's pretty clear that that's mostly because PS was way more popular, but the audience I'm talking about might consider switching if it means they can play that one game now.
Since scalpers would buy out all the stores and stuff, many people such as myself initially turned to discord channels for tracking new shipments to different retailers. I would check it a few times a day, checking Best Buy branches' online inventories. Eventually Sony made a system where you could register with your PlayStation account for a slot ordering from the next available shipment.
I guess I got lucky then.
I woke up at around 4am, thought “I wonder if PS5 preorders are open yet”, went to amazon, see that preorders are indeed up, one-click purchase. Go back to sleep. Got it on launch day.
Somehow, Xbox really won me over this generation. I own the XSX and the PS5 disk versions, and one is collecting dust. I think it's the backwards compatibility for old disks that is just so alluring
Not really surprising, Microsoft has been going a lot harder on the PC and cloud front, so it makes sense that their audience is split between those and Xbox, meanwhile Sony exclusives are only available on PS5.
Been playing a lot of cloud gaming on my PC with a fiber connection. I'm just gonna build a new PC.
Considering what a disaster Sony's hardware has been, this honestly really sucks.
News to me, what's up with the hardware?
Edit: ITT: a dude so defiantly wrong he uses edits to imply he's the only person making any sense.
Since PS2, they've always major deficiencies.
The PS3 was underpowered, which limited the scope of some multi-platform games, and the controllers had this ridiculous design where the battery was connected by a ribbon cord held in place by foam that degrades, the PS4 controllers have major problems with drifting, and the PS5 has been nearly unattainable because of hardware component shortages that were notably specific to them.
Edit: ITT: Sony Stans who love the that New Vegas got cut down, that PS3 and PS4 controllers are paper mache, and that the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers like never before. And people wonder why gaming hardware keeps getting worse.
So because of issues with past systems and shortages due to pandemic supply chain problems almost every manufacturer had to negotiate, you think it's a bad thing they're outselling MS?
As someone who has both systems, I rarely use the X Box, unless it's a game exclusive to it. Sony's controllers are far better IMO, and it's a better media center too, which to be honest is what I use it for the majority of the time.
That a real funny way of saying "long and continuing history of subpar hardware."
It's not like I'm talking about "Oopsy woopsy Walmart didn't have a PS5," I'm talking about continuous, shoddy, overpriced hardware. Users shouldn't have to question whether their $70 purchase will last the month.
This has been a trend for every console they put out since the PS2.
PS3? Less powerful and more expensive with poorly made controllers.
PS4? Power's fine, but controllers are way more expensive and even worse than before.
PS5? Fine on power, but still more expensive, and with supply chain issues that far exceeded anything faced by Microsoft or Nintendo, placing the issue most likely based in their, say it with me, hardware design.
Edit: ITT: Sony Stans who love the that New Vegas got cut down, that PS3 and PS4 controllers are paper mache, and that the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers like never before. And people wonder why gaming hardware keeps getting worse.
I'm hardly a Sony Stan, but you can call me one if it makes you feel better when I say... I have no idea what you're talking about.
What was specific to the PS5 that wasn't shared by the XSX? The specs of are almost identical. Same AMD processor, same generation and architecture, same amount and type of memory. Any supply chain woes that affected one almost certainly affected the other.
Except for that insane proprietary memory expansion card that Xbox uses that cost $200 per TB. It took them 3 years to come up with cheaper options. Meanwhile Sony just uses off the shelf NVME drives whose price has been slowly decreasing ever since the pandemic.
It is well documented that the PS3's weakness was the complexity of it's design not necessarily how powerful it was.
This is such a confusing statement, it's Not Even Wrong. You make it sound like Sony built scalpability into the PS5. You're angry at the inanimate object? Not what the awful people did with it? People scalped the PS5 because it was in higher demand, not because it was made of gold.
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