But he was the leader of the SWAT team in question, and before their white, unmarked cargo van drove down Lake Street that night, Bittell told the unit, “Alright, we’re rolling down Lake Street. The first f***ers we see, we’re just hammering ’em with 40s” — referring to 40mm launchers or rounds, or rubber bullets.
Earlier that night, Bittell punctured the tires of vehicles, instructing his officers to puncture two tires because people could easily change one flat tire.
These scumbag authoritarian assholes play "war" against their fellow citizens because they get off on being above the law.
And the bootlickers still think the problem is people protesting this abuse of power.
Roll up on me in an unmarked van and open fire, my bullets won't be made of rubber.
That happened to them. Guy in a car during the protests, one of these unmarked facist vans rolling by firing wildly, dude pulled his legal gun and returned fire.
They beat the shit out him and arrested him on attempted murder charges, but he was acquitted at trial since they never identified themselves before shooting at him and he immediately complied when they did.
Some people did shoot back.
police officer's every disciplinary event should be public knowledge. its just the price you pay to carry a human killing device your entire shift.
if you dont like that, you should not be a public servant.
Well that would just drown out the bad stuff. Most disciplinary actions are for minor reasons, like being late or missing paperwork.
You don't want to wade through all that to get to important things.
No, it is important to release everything. You don't want cases where disciplinary action that should be released gets changed to a category that doesn't get released.
The problem is no one is monitoring this for every PD, so you won't know if it's all being released. They could just send out a ton of tardy slips and "sleeping on the job" reprimands and claim 99.999% compliance.
Focus on the important things not "all the things".
No one is monitoring it because the information isn't readily available.
There is a database out there for every public road bridge with a lot of information including the condition of each bridge. If such a database like that can exist, a database with all infractions can be made available and people can self sort the data.
That would be very easy to parse and filter for in modern data systems. We have services that handle trillions of data points daily. We can easily pull in all disciplinary info and parse out important ones for a few thousand entries/year.
Based on the amount of officers and days in the year, pulling in all data for all officers in the US would be a simple and inexpensive task in terms of computer power/expertise. Like, something you could logistically do with maybe 6 servers, not even a single server rack in a single data center.
Only if all that information is formatted the same. That's not going to be the case. Who's going to reformat it? Not you, I assume.
If we are at a stage where people are mandated to report their disciplinary data, requiring it be in a consistent format is a pretty straightforward hurdle.
The difficulty of police cooperation for data reporting is already so insanely high and utterly opposed by police departments, the minuta of handling that data is a minor hurdle in comparison.
There's a whole field in CS that deals with this kind of thing.
It's not nearly as hard as you're making out; I do it every day.
There's a whole field in CS that deals with this kind of thing.
It's not hard
🤔
Are you saying CS isn't hard? Yeah everyone knows regex is super easy.
Sanitizing and merging data sources isn't some arcane art in which one needs decades of training to be proficient.
Like I said: I do it every day.
But go on and tell me how hard my job is; I'll put it on my performance review.
Uh, it is hard. If it wasn't they wouldn't pay you for it.
Don't sell yourself short.
Then I guess I don't understand what point you're arguing.
Because I guarantee someone would do the job if the data was available.
Who's going to pay for that data from every tiny PD to be sanitized? Every PD will be slightly different and they may change vendors every couple of years. It sounds like a nightmare.
My point is you don't want or need "all the data". You only want the 0.001% that involves use of force.
You have a bad take. Yes all of the data. If my offense are public information, then offenses against the public, mundane or severe, should be public.
Edit: on retrospect, police conduct data should be public regardless of the public status of my or your record.
Offences against the public should be documented publicly.
My job has clients who change vendors constantly, too.
It's not nearly as big a deal as you're making it out to be, especially since you don't even know if your unlikely hypothetical scenario even happens.
So... Whatever I guess.
Ok we get it. You're averse to police accountability. Just come right out and say it. I may not respect your opinion, but I'll respect you for owning up to it.
Or, I dunno. Don't comment.
I really really hope for your sake that you are a "confrontation bot" and not a real person arguing this, because if this isn't a bot, then you spend your limited time on this earth in a.. sad sad manner.
Anyway, everything you mention can all easily be automated. You're not on reddit. We're mostly tech people here. Your bullshit is transparent.
You're a good rage farmer though.
Congratulations?
Recently released city documents show at least a dozen Minneapolis police officers were disciplined for misconduct in the days of demonstrations and rioting following George Floyd’s May 2020 police killing.
A dozen? And just disciplined, not fired? Oh good. Problem solved.
There were a dozen cases where the behavior was so bad and the officer was so stubborn or stupid or whatever that they couldn't be swept under the rug despite MPDs best efforts to do so
Because of a backlog, investigations can take years, and discipline decisions aren’t public until all appeals have been exhausted. So the public doesn’t know what became of those officers who sprayed protesters or beat curfew violators for years — and that’s only if the officers involved don’t resign, which ends the investigation.
What’s unknown are how many officers were directed to what MPD calls “coaching” after the riot response.
Coaching is an alternative to discipline, and because it’s not officially discipline, there’s no public record of it. MPD has in the past used coaching to resolve serious complaints like assaulting a teenager for shoplifting.
What’s unknown are how many officers were directed to what MPD calls “coaching” after the riot response.
Coaching is an alternative to discipline, and because it’s not officially discipline, there’s no public record of it. MPD has in the past used coaching to resolve serious complaints like assaulting a teenager for shoplifting.
That's absolutely ridiculous. If "coaching" isn't discipline, then there should be a public record that the complaint resulted in no discipline.
The system is working as designed.
Well hey now! They did fire that one officer! You know! The female poc officer who forced another officer off the neck of a protester during the protests about the police murder by neck standing. What was her name? Totally didn’t jive with the force and the union. /s
My taxpayer money is on their discipline being a paid vacation.
But he was the leader of the SWAT team in question, and before their white, unmarked cargo van drove down Lake Street that night, Bittell told the unit, “Alright, we’re rolling down Lake Street. The first f***ers we see, we’re just hammering ’em with 40s” — referring to 40mm launchers or rounds, or rubber bullets.
[…]
He ordered the white cargo van’s squad lights to be turned off as they slowly rolled down Lake Street. As the van approached a gas station. Bittell said, “Let ’em have it boys!”
I remember watching the dozens of videos on social media around this point of cops gleeful or angrily asserting their dominance. It was so disheartening that I had to take the day off from work because I read a bullshit email from a client complaining snidely about something trivial and it was all I could do not to respond with an angry "fuck you" email.
These scumbag authoritarian assholes play "war" against their fellow citizens because they get off on being above the law.
And the bootlickers still think the problem is people protesting this abuse of power.
Roll up on me in an unmarked van and open fire, my bullets won't be made of rubber.
That happened to them. Guy in a car during the protests, one of these unmarked facist vans rolling by firing wildly, dude pulled his legal gun and returned fire.
They beat the shit out him and arrested him on attempted murder charges, but he was acquitted at trial since they never identified themselves before shooting at him and he immediately complied when they did.
Some people did shoot back.
police officer's every disciplinary event should be public knowledge. its just the price you pay to carry a human killing device your entire shift.
if you dont like that, you should not be a public servant.
Well that would just drown out the bad stuff. Most disciplinary actions are for minor reasons, like being late or missing paperwork.
You don't want to wade through all that to get to important things.
No, it is important to release everything. You don't want cases where disciplinary action that should be released gets changed to a category that doesn't get released.
The problem is no one is monitoring this for every PD, so you won't know if it's all being released. They could just send out a ton of tardy slips and "sleeping on the job" reprimands and claim 99.999% compliance.
Focus on the important things not "all the things".
No one is monitoring it because the information isn't readily available.
There is a database out there for every public road bridge with a lot of information including the condition of each bridge. If such a database like that can exist, a database with all infractions can be made available and people can self sort the data.
That would be very easy to parse and filter for in modern data systems. We have services that handle trillions of data points daily. We can easily pull in all disciplinary info and parse out important ones for a few thousand entries/year.
Based on the amount of officers and days in the year, pulling in all data for all officers in the US would be a simple and inexpensive task in terms of computer power/expertise. Like, something you could logistically do with maybe 6 servers, not even a single server rack in a single data center.
Only if all that information is formatted the same. That's not going to be the case. Who's going to reformat it? Not you, I assume.
If we are at a stage where people are mandated to report their disciplinary data, requiring it be in a consistent format is a pretty straightforward hurdle.
The difficulty of police cooperation for data reporting is already so insanely high and utterly opposed by police departments, the minuta of handling that data is a minor hurdle in comparison.
There's a whole field in CS that deals with this kind of thing.
It's not nearly as hard as you're making out; I do it every day.
🤔
Are you saying CS isn't hard? Yeah everyone knows regex is super easy.
Sanitizing and merging data sources isn't some arcane art in which one needs decades of training to be proficient.
Like I said: I do it every day.
But go on and tell me how hard my job is; I'll put it on my performance review.
Uh, it is hard. If it wasn't they wouldn't pay you for it.
Don't sell yourself short.
Then I guess I don't understand what point you're arguing.
Because I guarantee someone would do the job if the data was available.
Who's going to pay for that data from every tiny PD to be sanitized? Every PD will be slightly different and they may change vendors every couple of years. It sounds like a nightmare.
My point is you don't want or need "all the data". You only want the 0.001% that involves use of force.
You have a bad take. Yes all of the data. If my offense are public information, then offenses against the public, mundane or severe, should be public.
Edit: on retrospect, police conduct data should be public regardless of the public status of my or your record.
Offences against the public should be documented publicly.
My job has clients who change vendors constantly, too.
It's not nearly as big a deal as you're making it out to be, especially since you don't even know if your unlikely hypothetical scenario even happens.
So... Whatever I guess.
Ok we get it. You're averse to police accountability. Just come right out and say it. I may not respect your opinion, but I'll respect you for owning up to it.
Or, I dunno. Don't comment.
I really really hope for your sake that you are a "confrontation bot" and not a real person arguing this, because if this isn't a bot, then you spend your limited time on this earth in a.. sad sad manner.
Anyway, everything you mention can all easily be automated. You're not on reddit. We're mostly tech people here. Your bullshit is transparent.
You're a good rage farmer though.
Congratulations?
A dozen? And just disciplined, not fired? Oh good. Problem solved.
There were a dozen cases where the behavior was so bad and the officer was so stubborn or stupid or whatever that they couldn't be swept under the rug despite MPDs best efforts to do so
That's absolutely ridiculous. If "coaching" isn't discipline, then there should be a public record that the complaint resulted in no discipline.
The system is working as designed.
Well hey now! They did fire that one officer! You know! The female poc officer who forced another officer off the neck of a protester during the protests about the police murder by neck standing. What was her name? Totally didn’t jive with the force and the union. /s
My taxpayer money is on their discipline being a paid vacation.
[…]
I remember watching the dozens of videos on social media around this point of cops gleeful or angrily asserting their dominance. It was so disheartening that I had to take the day off from work because I read a bullshit email from a client complaining snidely about something trivial and it was all I could do not to respond with an angry "fuck you" email.