I honestly don't even care anymore. Bethesda peaked at Morrowind.
Yeahhhh, it was a really sad realization for me when I realized elder scolls 6 would no longer be an automatic day one purchase. After Fallout 4, then 76, and now Starfield (which I was skeptical about since they first started its pre-release marketing cycle anyway), I'm realizing that Bethesda is heading in the direction of so many other legacy game companies and just doesn't seem to be interested in publishing the kinds of games that put them on the map any more; a la Bioware, EA, and Blizzard.
At least SuckerPunch is still putting out good stuff, as much as I miss the Sly Cooper games 🥲
Sly Cooper, damn I miss when games had novel concepts.
They still do. Probably more now than ever.
And yet every asswipe with an internet is whining about how Starfield is too much like Bethesda's other stuff.
So are they getting too far away, or are they doing the same thing?
Get with the other dinks and figure it out.
"Hey entire internet, get on the same page already!"
I hate it when anyone whatsoever disagrees with anything, no matter how unimportant.
Such incompatible opinions are indicative that one or both camps are full of shit.
Dude what the fuck are you taking about?
They are talking about asswipes having "an internet". Didn't know this was possible. They are clearly well informed.
Huh? Chill dude, no need to call names. People are allowed to have their own opinions on a piece of media. I can assure you I'm not part of some kind of Starfield-hating cabal. I just didn't like it. Sorry.
Have a peek at their comment history. They're either a troll or an instigator. I blocked them. There's enough of that shit on reddit.
It all depends on how old you are basically. It shares more blood with Skyrim than it does Oblivion or Morrowind. It's also procedural, like Daggerfall and Arena, but done poorly. Those had procedural dungeons, while Starfield every dungeon is the same and it's only the boring open world that changes.
It's like their other stuff, but in most of the wrong ways in my opinion. Its got the (lack of) dialog options from FO4... I was going to point out things from other games, but the rest is all generic and applies to all of the modern ones.
It lacks the player control and agency from Morrowind or earlier that personally I'm looking for. I hope with the success of BG3 they realize they can give players freedom and options and they'll appreciate it.
I can't hear you over the sound of falling through the floor of this daggerfall dungeon for the fiftieth time argh
I'm sorry, wasn't that the new Arena?
I’m about 30 hours into my first serious Morrowind playthrough after a few attempts that never took off. Man it took a while for it to click but this game is genius. I tried getting back into Oblivion and Skyrim after several years but they didn’t suck me in like MW has recently
Even though oblivion and skyrim is significantly bigger neither of their worlds feel as interesting, real or as big as morrowind.
A big part of that is in those games you can just click anywhere in the map you’ve already been and be there in a second. The quest markers don’t do the player any favors either.
Morrowind is equally ridiculous and grounded at the same time. On one hand, you can come up with spells or enchantments that will turn your character into a god. On the other hand, you have to pay attention to quest givers and follow directions like you would in real life. You have to keep your eyes peeled and on the way you’ll run into new things
It's true that is a big part of what makes those different. Truth is initially it's a design shift Bethsoft made out of convenience for themselves, not for the players.
They explained why they did it like that on Oblivion. Basically, while a lot more immersive, Morrowind's actual quest directions were kind of pain during development. Regularly, a quest objective would be adjusted and moved somewhere else, and they had to track down all related dialogues and logs to correct them. In fact, a few quest logs still have incorrect informations in the final game (e.g. west instead of east!).
The problem was made a lot worse with Oblivion since all dialogues now had voice acting. It was not possible for them to record voice lines again when they changed stuff, and I guess even if they got it right the first time, how many more lines would just be "follow that road, turn there, second door to your right" whatever? Oblivion was already an incredible feat of voiced dialogue back then, this is surely one of the corners they had to cut (in general, dialogue was made a lot simpler than it was in Morrowind).
For better or worse, that's the real reason for the compass and quest markers.
I honestly don't even care anymore. Bethesda peaked at Morrowind.
Yeahhhh, it was a really sad realization for me when I realized elder scolls 6 would no longer be an automatic day one purchase. After Fallout 4, then 76, and now Starfield (which I was skeptical about since they first started its pre-release marketing cycle anyway), I'm realizing that Bethesda is heading in the direction of so many other legacy game companies and just doesn't seem to be interested in publishing the kinds of games that put them on the map any more; a la Bioware, EA, and Blizzard.
At least SuckerPunch is still putting out good stuff, as much as I miss the Sly Cooper games 🥲
Sly Cooper, damn I miss when games had novel concepts.
They still do. Probably more now than ever.
And yet every asswipe with an internet is whining about how Starfield is too much like Bethesda's other stuff.
So are they getting too far away, or are they doing the same thing?
Get with the other dinks and figure it out.
"Hey entire internet, get on the same page already!"
I hate it when anyone whatsoever disagrees with anything, no matter how unimportant.
Such incompatible opinions are indicative that one or both camps are full of shit.
Dude what the fuck are you taking about?
They are talking about asswipes having "an internet". Didn't know this was possible. They are clearly well informed.
Huh? Chill dude, no need to call names. People are allowed to have their own opinions on a piece of media. I can assure you I'm not part of some kind of Starfield-hating cabal. I just didn't like it. Sorry.
Have a peek at their comment history. They're either a troll or an instigator. I blocked them. There's enough of that shit on reddit.
It all depends on how old you are basically. It shares more blood with Skyrim than it does Oblivion or Morrowind. It's also procedural, like Daggerfall and Arena, but done poorly. Those had procedural dungeons, while Starfield every dungeon is the same and it's only the boring open world that changes.
It's like their other stuff, but in most of the wrong ways in my opinion. Its got the (lack of) dialog options from FO4... I was going to point out things from other games, but the rest is all generic and applies to all of the modern ones.
It lacks the player control and agency from Morrowind or earlier that personally I'm looking for. I hope with the success of BG3 they realize they can give players freedom and options and they'll appreciate it.
That's a funny way of spelling Daggerfall
I can't hear you over the sound of falling through the floor of this daggerfall dungeon for the fiftieth time argh
I'm sorry, wasn't that the new Arena?
I’m about 30 hours into my first serious Morrowind playthrough after a few attempts that never took off. Man it took a while for it to click but this game is genius. I tried getting back into Oblivion and Skyrim after several years but they didn’t suck me in like MW has recently
Even though oblivion and skyrim is significantly bigger neither of their worlds feel as interesting, real or as big as morrowind.
A big part of that is in those games you can just click anywhere in the map you’ve already been and be there in a second. The quest markers don’t do the player any favors either.
Morrowind is equally ridiculous and grounded at the same time. On one hand, you can come up with spells or enchantments that will turn your character into a god. On the other hand, you have to pay attention to quest givers and follow directions like you would in real life. You have to keep your eyes peeled and on the way you’ll run into new things
It's true that is a big part of what makes those different. Truth is initially it's a design shift Bethsoft made out of convenience for themselves, not for the players.
They explained why they did it like that on Oblivion. Basically, while a lot more immersive, Morrowind's actual quest directions were kind of pain during development. Regularly, a quest objective would be adjusted and moved somewhere else, and they had to track down all related dialogues and logs to correct them. In fact, a few quest logs still have incorrect informations in the final game (e.g. west instead of east!).
The problem was made a lot worse with Oblivion since all dialogues now had voice acting. It was not possible for them to record voice lines again when they changed stuff, and I guess even if they got it right the first time, how many more lines would just be "follow that road, turn there, second door to your right" whatever? Oblivion was already an incredible feat of voiced dialogue back then, this is surely one of the corners they had to cut (in general, dialogue was made a lot simpler than it was in Morrowind).
For better or worse, that's the real reason for the compass and quest markers.